ohh my god i hate this fandom dude if you hate the update that much just leave the fandom or switch to a different cookie run game
okay biiig rant incoming but just spilling out all of my thoughts about byeast 15 and the fandom
(note, critiques of the update are fine! as long as you aren't blowing things out of proportion, spreading misinformation, or attacking/accusing people or the devs, feel free to say whatever you'd like!)
also sorry if this isn't coherent im writing this randomly late at night because I've been just feeling so bummed out lowkey also please please please don't feel obligated to agree with me on everything here it's mostly my opinion
i also do NOT think the writing was the greatest thing ever, but I don't think it was near horrible enough to solicit THIS reaction from the fandom (again disliking the episode and critiquing the writing is all fine! just DONT do the things I mentioned above) I thought that the writing WAS quite flawed, but people need to also realize that the story is FAR from over and still has many chances to cover plotlines that haven't been resolved or explained
and despite the flaws I really enjoyed the episode personally
White Lily: blatantly, her death was NOT suicide, nor was it promoting or telling you to kill yourself if you've done horrible things
yes, she did this KNOWING she would die, but that doesn't mean she was doing it TO die?? like ive seen someone say, this is basically like saying any person who's went to war knowing there was a good chance of them dying on the battlefield or just sacrificed themself for another commit suicide
I don't believe the story was trying to say that death = freedom either
it was that lily sacrificed her own freedom to give freedom to others, and nilla saying that he hoped she could find peace and freedom after all she's done, not that sacrificing herself and dying WAS her only way to freedom
her death was pretty much unavoidable anyway, it was a long time coming and had already been heavily foreshadowed in the narrative
even if she hadn't gone the route she went in the story, she STILL would have died
if she didn't succeed in staying awake in the rift, she would've died there
if enchantress was killed by something or someone else, she would die because of that
only thing I can think of with her not dying is a villain winning ending
if she didn't go in the rift, enchantress wins and finds her but keeps her alive since they can't exist without each other and she has to face the fact that the freedom for all cookiekind failed, everyone is dead or going to be absorbed, and there's nothing she can do
and in that situation for something she COULD do is kill enchantress, which would still end up with her death
also, people are believing that someone actually commit because of something a random person said with no evidence on TWITTER of all platforms??
even if that IS true, that's not the company's fault, nor is it a reason to attack and wish death upon the writers and employees over a likely false rumor
odd plug but I just think hyperhimes and some people in the comments adress this well
Spice, Sugar, and Flour's fates: okay guys
they technically are NOT dead, their bodies are but their souls are still in the living world, and inhabiting a vessel (shami)
while they don't seem to have full control over things, they are probably still conscious and aware through those eyes and may even be able to speak through shami like souls do with the ultimate cookie
they are also obviously still appearing within the story- the bug forms of them could even be taken hold of by their souls and technically make them living again, though that's just a thought rather than canon
just remember that this ISN'T the end of their arcs, likely far from it
the devs have stated that the beasts have later story importance and may have more backstory explored (dominion of the beasts was only a peek, not the full story, as specifically stated in this whole video , plus more things that people seem to be forgetting)
Silent Salt: i won't lie, im definitely not sure what they're going to do with him, but he's DEFINITELY still story important, shamil is literally doing all this mostly to cause him the utmost despair, even with other reasons as well that is a main focus, as stated by him in the text itself
he also still has his own bug form, so I doooo wonder what that'll be about, quite interested to see if it's perhaps shami's version of how he previously saw him or tweaked to how he wants to know salt
even if devsis HAS milked shami, that is NOT what they were doing in this story
he's always been set up, foreshadowed, and portrayed as a main villain and focus, I know i already talked about this but hjmbsn
the story has also been planned out for years, they wouldn't have pulled this out on a whim and change the lore entirely in a single year just because he got popular
his character and even some things about his arc had been foreshadowed before he even showed up as an npc anyways??
he's MEANT to be in the spotlight, he's MEANT to be a focus, and he always has been?? even before he was nearly as popular before he was now he was in two separate updates (theater of lies and wind archer's story whatever it was called again) and displayed as important
this has ALLLLWAAYYS been the case guys, don't blame the devs for just portraying his character how he's meant to be portrayed
the direction his story is going in also just makes the most sense- he's been betrayed and lied to about his entire life in his eyes, and is now also infused with countless other souls?? why SHOULDN'T he have gone insane??
i would go into more depth but I already talked about this and this rant is already ridiculously long
another thing- when they DO milk him, why shouldn't they?? they have high effort updates EVERY MONTH and have over 1000 employees to pay with a game that is FREE TO PLAY AND DOWNLOAD
if a character gets them extra money, why SHOULDN'T they use that to their advantage?? of course corporate greed comes into play as well but they NEED this money to keep content coming out so quickly
Sugar Swan: could this have been handled better? yes! but does that make it the most awful thing ever? no!
while I do think she could've gotten her own update she'll DEFINITELY have more story importance, this isn't the end of her dudes
also people seem to not realize that ovenbreak characters that come to kingdom do not HAVE to have the same personality/story down to the point
crob and crk take place in completely different timelines with different events and different characters- it would be more boring if they were just copy pasted exactly from their initial appearance other than having voice acting now
I don't really have much to say but I will repeat something else I've said that annoys me
cookie run players are extremely contradictory of themselves
before the update, everyone was BEGGING that sugar swan wasn't just an overpowered deus ex machina that saved the day, and then were angry when she WASN'T that after the update?? huh???
it's not just that though, they literally find a way to complain about anything and everything even if it was what they previously asked for
Ultimate Cookie: while this isn't really a debate in the fandom compared to the other things, a lot of people feel that their appearance was cut short and that they should be more important and just ???
they're most definitely not gone from the story, did you all just collectively miss THIS???
while I don't know what exactly will happen with TUC, they will have more importance
Timekeeper Cookie: just going to say that jesus christ guys her not smiling in two different frames does not make immediate mischaracterization
it's likely either for shock effect, more expression in the animation, or just to show how serious this whole situation is
dealing with shami isn't going to just be a walk in the park dude teeper had already been worried and preparing for this in ovenbreak
i WILL say that my previous statement about ovenbreak characters not being the same in kingdom does not apply to this entirely, they can change her up a bit but hopefully not too much since this timekeeper is the same one as the one in ovenbreak rather than one from a different timeline
this may even give us more insight on teeper backstory considering that guys
there are more things I could address but this post is already long enough so I may add it later