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[killian-whump]

Tripping over Rapunzel’s hair in episode 7x07 “Eloise Gardener”

Poor Wish Hook. He’s not always the most graceful of fellows, is he? Well, here he is, er, tripping over Rapunzel’s hair and being, you know, generally bested by it being all over the place.

[spartanguard]

Technically that is wrong. The Witch is much older than Rapunzel, as we recall Wish Hook is very old when we first meet him. His reason to screw over Rapunzel has to do with the fact that she has something he wants, cause he goes to her tower clearly to find this dark and magical power to get his revenge. They have a fling, and he chooses revenge over her. Which makes her angry and she gets prego. She becomes mother gothel bc of what he did to her....

She also keeps her daughter locked up because of what Wish Hook did to her she believes all people are bad and doesn’t want Alice to go through that. Wish Hook finds out he has a kid and goes to see her and sneaks in all the time. One time Rapunzel/The Witch catches him and poisons his heart and curses it cause of what he did to her. It’s a bad relationship because of what Hook does and what Rapunzel does in retaliation, toxic and causing pain to him and his daughter.

And your statement of how it’s a rehash? So what this whole season is loaded with rehashes what’s one more to add to the bucket list of rehashes this season? It makes sense, The Witch has very similar hair style to Rapunzel, age wise it matches, Wish Hook did not fall in love with anyone else but Milah so if he had a fling with Rapunzel he very likely did not choose her over his revenge and she grew angry and became The Witch, it all fits TBH. This is Wish Hook he thinks he’s hot shit.

The reason they have a toxic and bad relationship is cause she curses his heart and poisons him to never see his daughter. She’s the one causing the pain between him and her daughter and it’s because of what he did to her that she’s like this. That is the epitome of a toxic relationship. And he clearly does not show any kind of love for the mother of his child whatsoever he said as such to Real Hook, he didn’t know a Captain Hook could find love.

I’m assuming this is in response to this.

And TECHNICALLY, this is ALL speculation and discussion; no one will be right or wrong until after the episode airs (and it’s far more likely we’ll all be wrong, as usual). It’s not a contest, though.

I will admit, now that you explained it in full, I understand your theory better and think it has more of a chance of playing out. (I definitely have “Stay With Me” from Into the Woods stuck in my head now.) And you bring up a very good point with the Witch’s hairstyle (although I might counter that with the fact that everyone seems to be wearing braids this season; perhaps that’s JMo’s legacy <3). 

I still think there’s a casting issue with this, though. You bring up Wish Hook’s age—based on the established story, he should be 28 years older than Killian Prime. So we could extrapolate that to be an ~30-year age difference between Rapunzel, as we saw her in pics/promo (which appear to be a flashback), and the Witch. I really think if they were going to do that, they’d have found actresses with a wider age gap than 9 years; case in point: Rose McGowan (young Cora) is 25 years younger than Barbara Hershey (Cora). And if we’re to assume she wouldn’t age due to magic, then the same applies: why have a different actress?

This season definitely has callbacks and similar scenarios to situations from the past, but they’ve managed to tweak them all to be unique, like we saw in 7x06 with Drizella versus Regina. So I don’t think they’d outright repeat something from an earlier season; Killian would have to have a reason to betray Rapunzel. I’m not gonna try to argue that he won’t, but there has to be something to differentiate this situation from the one with Ursula. 

I’m with you on the Witch being the big bad, though obviously we don’t know why yet.Spurned romantic love is a reason for villainy we haven’t seen yet on the show; I’m not writing it off, but it usually goes much deeper than that. So either Killian does something that really damages Rapunzel, in your scenario, or…I don’t know. I don’t really have a counter to it other than that.

I definitely agree that this Witch is the same one who has his daughter and poisons his heart; there’s no reason to introduce another, unless they make it Zelena for some TBD reason. And to further play Devil’s advocate, it’s not confirmed that Rapunzel is the mother, or that Killian is the biological father. Just sayin’.

So PSA: if you don’t want me to critique your spec, cover your bases when you send it. You might have something there; we just don’t know yet.

Also, PSA, this is likely the last anon like this I’ll be replying to. My supply of troll feed is just about empty. Take care, nonnie.

[killian-whump]

With the way people are talking about the S-rating, I'm expecting some HBO-level sex scene, otherwise I'd be sorely disappointed.

Hahaha, SAME. I’m over here with my bottomless popcorn bucket all ready for some major sexy times… and given the time, channel and tendency for ratings to overreact to the slightest things, it’s probably going to go down like this:

Rapunzel: Oh, Hook, you’re so handsome!Hook: Indeed, I am, luv. Why don’t you and I retire to the bedroom and-Rapunzel: Well, there’s only the one room.Hook: Ah. *looks around* I see.Rapunzel: But I have this convenient screen right here.Hook: Yes, yes, that will do nicely. We’ll retire behind it and have ourselves a wonderful… sexual situation.Rapunzel: A what?Hook: Ratings, you see. You and I are currently having some suggestive dialogue, and once we retire behind the screen and everything goes to black, we’ll be having a sexual situation.Rapunzel: And that’s… a good thing?Hook: Allegedly. You and I will allegedly be having a lovely time and allegedly making a baby.Rapunzel: A baby?! But I just met you! You only just climbed up my tower five minutes ago!Hook: Doesn’t matter. I need a child to facilitate my redemption arc, luv.Rapunzel: But what about me???Hook:

…and we’ll all be like THE FUCK WAS THAT

[killian-whump]

Promo Still from episode 7x07 “Eloise Gardener” (x)

Very nice. Verrrrrrrry nice, indeed.

[killian-whump]

gothel/rapunzel and hook had no chemistry that was the real crime. i mean even regina throwing away rogers cake had more steam lool.

Well, I wasn’t blown away by Hook and Rapunzel… but I did actually like Gothel and Hook’s scene together. I think I would’ve liked Hook and Rapunzel more if there’d been a little more to their scenes than, you know, the textbook definition of “wham, bam, thank you, ma’am” XD

[spartanguard]

My opinion, Rapunzel becomes the Witch. She's Wish Hook's baby Mama. She is responsible for the pain Wish Hook and his daughter go through. She's the big bad. And the reason she did all this is cause Hook one night stand her, left her, then when he hears the news that she had a kid he comes back to be with the kid. She becomes Mother Gothel, keeping her child in the tower. And when she catches Hook seeing his daughter, she poisons and curses his heart. So this is portrayed as toxic not love.

Um. That’s certainly a theory, nonnie. Not an entirely implausible one, but can I say a couple things?

From a logistical reason, if Rapunzel and the Witch were the same person, they’d be played by the same actor. There’s barely 10 years between Meegan Warner and Emma Booth, which isn’t really enough for OUAT to justify two separate actors—especially when you consider that JMO, Lana, Colin, Regina, and Ginny all played their characters in their late teens despite being in their 30s.

Also, I was chatting with @thesschesthair, who it sounds like you also sent this theory to. And to be honest, we both find Killian a bit OOC in this scenario, and what you’re proposing is just a rehash of what happened with Ursula. But as far as we know, he has no reason to intentionally screw over Rapunzel. If he can help her, he will—that’s what he does, especially if they have a similar thirst for revenge.

And I’m not really sure why locking up her own daughter would be a thing she’d do out of vengeance? Though, mothers on this show are pretty insane so I might be able to give you that one.

But why do they have to have a bad relationship? It’s not gonna be true love, but that doesn’t mean it has to be a bad situation. Them having a casual fling won’t do a damn thing to CS, if that’s what you’re worried about.

I guess I’m just saying, why make a bad thing worse for Killian? Homeboy deserves good things.

[spartanguard]

(1/3)That's okay,friend,don't worry about my Q :) I see your askbox is really full!In the promo,it looks like(to me) Rapunzel is introducing herself,WHook is pointing his sword at her-he doesn't know what to expect from her,therefore it's their first meeting(Or they've met before and she somehow wronged him n he's ready to fight back. BUT he's never LOVED anybody past Milah) HOOK IS FACED WITH A LIFE ALTERING DECISION FOLLOWING AN ENCOUNTER WITH RAPUNZEL. That tower encounter. Do they already...

(2/3) … have a baby?MAYBE, fairytale one-night stand. No love. But I don’t know - in fairytales?They split and now Rap wants WHook to take responsibilities right? Or nervous nonnies think the big decision is whether to sleep with a girl he just met and have a baby with her?How could they know they’d concieve?And if they met there for the first time,they can’t already have one and even IF they have sex in the tower(I doubt it, family show!),how could she immediately know she is pregnant …

(3/3) .. and/or he needs to take the girl away?(Maybe the baby is born in a minute he looks at her :D I mean,Ouat pregnancies.. ) I dunno. I still think this no spoilers bullshit harms the promotion, it’s canon WHook wants to find DAUGHTER, not LI… but I feel there’s gonna be some reason why it’s said we would meet the mother, everything else is just ‘no spoiler’. But even though writers can be.. uhm, writers… I firmly believe they’ll stick with canon of who Hook (and CS) is. Take care!SN

Hola friend! Yes, my inbox has seen an awful lot of foot traffic lately…but that seems to happen a lot in this fandom when anything that might potentially not affect CS comes up. You’d think with the AMAZING love story we got over the course of 5 seasons, people wouldn’t be so insecure. Ah well!

You bring up a very good point about it looking like a first meeting between Killian and Rapunzel, and logistically, it’d be hard for it not to be, unless they plan on another flashback between them or there are some major jumps forward. Not like the timeline is relevant but anyway. And your observations about reproduction are spot on ;) (though, yes, magic is always at play with this show’s pregnancies, it seems). 

I still think signs point to her being the mother, but Killian’s paternity is increasingly being brought into question. That certainly doesn’t preclude him from being her father, obviously—he doesn’t care about blood when it comes to that, anyway. But you’re absolutely right: his DAUGHTER is far more likely to be the life-altering thing than Rapunzel, regardless of what their relationship ends up being.

Cross your fingers for some good sneak peeks!! I’m just excited that we’ll likely get to see Killian past the point of divergence between the prime realm and the Wish Realm :D *muah*