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Cassian really manages to hit that sweet spot of improving Nesta's self esteem just enough that she no longer thinks she doesn't deserve to be with him, while still keeping it low enough that she doesn't realise she deserves better than to be with him.

#Nesta Archeron #Cassian critical #Nessian critical #being super negative because I want to incur sod's law #have Nessian turn out to be the absolute highlight of the next book #so much that all these anti posts are an embarrassment to me

Did Lucien and Cassian act the same way?

I'll say upfront that in MY OPINION, no... absolutely not.

Cassian only accepted that Rhys wanted to hide the risk of Feyre's pregnancy... Of course, for the greater good and all that talk about avoiding suffering, just like Tamlin once did and Rhys too (Partnership bond and not talking about trying to find a way to break the UTM agreement/not talking about enemies and war strategy)

And Lucien? He tried. My god, how did that man try to get it into Tamlin's empty head that Feyre should train! Even after Tamlin said no, he tried. Even after Tamlin unleashed his power, he still wanted to try AGAIN when Feyre was locked in the manor.

(Honestly, I would only regret leaving Feyre awake, not stopping her from following me into battle, but anyway-)

I think this would be pro-Lucien and anti-Cassian?

If we're REALLY going to compare the two things... It's impossible... Because both had to obey their High Lord/best friend, and one of them wasn't doing that... Insisting and pressuring. Lucien was being a friend to Feyre, realizing how much she needed this not only for autonomy, but because it was the most logical thing to do if she were kidnapped... If no one could defend her.But Tamlin felt he didn't need to, either because he imagined he could protect Feyre or that it would draw the attention of the other High Lords, who were too suspicious of spies....(and he wasn't entirely wrong about the spy)

Cassian's situation isn't complicated. He saw that his friend and high lord wanted to handle it alone and tell him at the right time (spoiler alert, the "I'll tell him at the right time" thing never works out) and let him. I was really surprised that Azriel wasn't against any of that... It's funny how they're both "rebellious" and obedient at the same time, isn't it?

P.s: On TikTok, a comment says that you can't compare the two because Lucien was negligent in taking action. Now I ask, if Lucien had convinced Tamlin that Feyre should train, would he still be negligent?From what I've researched, "omissido" refers to a person who does NOT SPEAK UP and does not take physical action... As far as I know, Lucien tried... He saw that it wasn't fair, and he tried, even after Tamlin had already said no.

Another thing, The comment says it's different because Feyre was happy in one scene and Feyre was depressed and wanted to leave in the other. I want to know why people forget that Feyre could indeed leave, but that Feyre's problem wasn't about leaving... It was about not leaving without guards or risking her own life.

In fact, it's something that @snarkformysanity She comments a lot on the posts.... About Feyre saying she'd leave the mansion and then saying she never would... So, what's the truth, Feyre? The problem was never leaving the mansion. She could always do that. The issue was that she couldn't go out alone and do anything that didn't involve risking her life.

Going deeper, the comment also says that it doesn't support IC's attitude in hiding the pregnancy, but that it understands... And this person can't understand that Lucien was limited? Just like Alis and anyone in that mansion under the roof of an unstable and temperamental leader who only listened to those who agreed with him and filled his head with more paranoia? (Ianthe). Did both Tamlin and Lucien believe that keeping Feyre locked in the manor in THAT setting was precisely to protect her, just as the IC did regarding the pregnancy?Even so, Lucien still said he would try again for Feyre... He would try to talk to Tamlin.

Lucien also made a mistake, but one thing is certain, he wasn't negligent... Following the logic of actions, then the IC was also negligent when Rhys said he would send Feyre to the weaver... They only spoke, nothing more.

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Even though Cassian definitely respects Feyre and Morrigan more than Nesta, and generally likes them more, I don't think he minds having a mate for Nesta who so many people dislike. Cassian carries a lot of baggage from being a bastard and thinking he's "less than", so I think it's very pleasant and satisfying for him on some level that he has a mate, who is beautiful and is powerful, so does flatter his status somewhat (what incels call an "high value woman"), but because she's difficult and abrasive and everyone dislikes her, everyone, including Nesta, thinks he's "too good for her". Individual moments with Nesta or aspects of her personality piss him off, but overall, it flatters his ego that his mate is someone everyone, including Nesta, gives him a lot of credit for "putting up with", and who is seen in the eyes of all around them as being "less than".

#ACOTAR #Nesta Archern #Cassian Critical #Nessian Critical

Nessian and the Mating Bond

I think the major difference between Nesta and Cassian is that Nesta loves Cassian irrespective of the mating bond. Cassian being her mate doesn't dictate how she feels about him or drives her love for him. Cassian being her mate is more an add on, like a stamp of approval from the Mother/Cauldron. It's not the point of her relationship, Cassian is the point.

For Cassian it's the reverse. Nesta being his mate is the very foundation of his feelings for her. The instinctive desire and urge to be with her, given to him by the mating bond dominates his feelings for her. Any attraction he might feel for her separate from the mating bond is dwarfed by the instinctual attraction and passion the bond creates for him.

If the bond didn't exist, Nesta's feelings for Cassian would be unchanged, whereas Cassian's would be significantly diminished. By the same logic, if the mating bond did turn out to be false, or they discovered they had different mates, Nesta as she is would resist the bond, whereas Cassian mostly like would say "Sorry Nes, turned out we got that one wrong", and ditch her for his true mate. He might feel a little sad, a little guilty, he invested all this time and energy into her on the grounds she was his mate and got somewhat attached to her through that, the sunk cost fallacy might hit hard, but ultimately, his feelings for her would not overcome the call of the mating bond.

I think that's why Cassian lashes out so much when Nesta is hesitant about accepting they're mates. She makes it clear that it's not a reflection on him or her feelings for him, but about her fear of losing the last of her humanity. Cassian cannot conceptualise Nesta wanting him but not wanting the mating bond because to him, they have always been one in the same. Cassian cannot envision Nesta wanting him without the mating bond, because without the mating bond, he would never want her.

#ACOTAR #Nesta Archeron #Cassian critical #Nessian critical

Maybe I dislike Nessian so much just because I'm from Eastern Europe. It's a sad reality here that the woman does a lot of effort and the man just exists, this a result of the demographic inequality after two world wars and other repressive events.

So, when you see this reality, you would like to see either some equality (and Nessian are not equal) or just a man worshiping his woman (Cassian is also useless in this aspect), but a woman changing everything to become the better partner and a man just existing is not romantic for me.

A man controlling one's food like Cassian did - not romantic.

A man who is unable to take his partner's side in the face of his family - not romantic.

A man who lets you deal with your problems - not romantic.

A man who is punishing you for "rude behaviour" - not romantic.

And if you think by punishment I mean only about the hike, you are wrong. He punished Nesta since that dinner in MAF, in the bonus chapter he comes prepared with insults to a woman who did him nothing, in SF he punishes her with ignore when she falls on the stairs, he punishes her verbally when she dares to speak against Rhysand, the hike, all the times he left her after sex, that "shackled" scene was a punishment for not accepting the mating title.

He made zero attempt to save her from the blood rite, where she could've been raped, killed before she even wakes up, she could've been taken to a different place in general.

But I guess love is blind.

#nesta archeron #cassian acotar #anti nessian #anti cassian #cassian critical

“It pains me that Nesta has become … this. It pains me that she and Feyre are always at each other’s throats. It pains me that Feyre hurts over it, and I know Nesta does, too. It pains me that … […] I really don’t want to talk about it. ”

Attention everyone! Mate of the year, our most esteemed and caring Cassian!

I really would like to like him, but half of his thoughts about Nesta are Freudian slips like this one (or the well-known "shackled"). A quarter are horny thoughts and maybe half of the remained quarter are genuine thoughts of care (I don't deny he has those, just the proportion is unsatisfying).

I understand what he means, but it really reads as "poor Feyre, and Nesta... she may also have feelings."

Also, "this" - you mean a depressed woman, which she became after participating in a WAR. And the support she received was minimal. However this very same individ talking managed to worsen her state by saying "I don't understand why your sisters love you".

#cassian acotar #nesta archeron #acosf #anti cassian #cassian critical #anti nessian

Yeah…come to think of it, I didn’t realize till recently is how absolutely INSANE it is that in ACOWAR when Nesta meets Devlon for the first time and he asks if she’s a witch, that Cassian’s response is:

“She may act like one, but no. She is ‘high fae’.”

Keep in mind that witches in universe aren’t like in our world and are essentially another way to say “bitch”. Or even a playful tease. They are deeply feared to the Illyrians and fae. Like it’s like saying that someone acts like a literal demon in a world where people without a shadow of a doubt know demons exist. So not only is Cassian saying essentially she’s a bitch, no no! He’s also saying she acts like a type of being that HIS people deeply fear and rebuke which he would assumably know.

Like that is insane to me hello—??

@nestaians , @lara3122 , @xanderc-t

#anti nessian #pro nesta #pro nesta archeron #anti cassian #cassian critical #nesta archeron #cassian acotar #Pito rambles #I’m writing this while tired so my brain feels like mush #This is very stream of consciousness lol

Had to see some comments today, praising Cassian for things I don't think he deserves to be praised for.

As an adult I am, I decided to better share this funny comic by Nathan W. Pyle from the series Strange Planet instead of interacting in any way with people having a wrong opinion about a fictional character. Disclaimer: anyone is entitled to their opinion regarding fictional characters.