#chara is nonbinary

[altogether-descent]

"Let Frisk be happy" from Flowey and "We are not the same" from Chara really aren't ever gonna be enough for some people, huh?

Flowey says we're not Frisk -> so we must be Chara -> Chara says we're not them, meaning we're not either of them. They're not self inserts. Even if Chara was you "because you name them" you don't control them, ever, and they died 100 years ago so there's not much to insert into? They talk on their own, in fact, and treat you as a different person from them when they speak to you.

[siffrinsdagger]

My friend finally finished undertale so I can post this now

Chara the BEST and most MISCHARACTERIZED undertale character...

[aliveinacoffin]

I feel like I already know you, do I not?

[antisocial-author]

people don’t seem to get why misgendering chara, frisk, and kris is such a big deal but like...y’all realize they’re like, the only nonbinary representation we have in games, right? you guys have like...everyone. you’ve got all these characters that use he/him and she/her. we’re allowed to get mad when you decide to take these canon nonbinary characters and say “we’re actually allowed to choose their gender bc we play as them/bc it’s up for interpretation/bc they/them are placeholder pronouns for when u don’t know their gender”

the thing is...we do know their genders? for starters-Chara. Asriel, their adoptive brother, their literal best friend who loves and adores them, solely uses they/them for Chara. nothing else. Chara’s family would 100% know their gender and pronouns. just because you name them does not mean you know them. they are not you. they have their own story, and their own personality. that is the point of Undertale.

Frisk is also not you. this is specified at the end of the True Pacifist when they tell Asriel their name. later on, Flowey, pleading with you to not reset, refers to Frisk with they/them and nothing else.

Kris is, unsurprisingly, not you either!! the game shows that by throwing away the name you picked, and-spoilers-throwing your soul into the cage at the end of the game!! you can literally move said soul around while in the cage!!!

why can’t you guys accept the fact that they’re nonbinary? why does it matter so much to you that you get to assign a binary to them? this topic matters to me because i’m nonbinary, and it stings every single time i see someone misgender them!!

so why do you want their gender to be yours to choose, even though the game’s point is that you cannot choose who they are?

[imlovecharadreemurr]

Hey just a reminder if ur sending asks please use they/them pronouns!!! I’m really sorry but if you use she/her or he/him I’m prolly just gonna delete the ask

[altogether-descent]

Yes, Kris, Frisk, and Chara are "fuckin queers" and there's nothing you can do about it. Fuck off.

Toby NEVER said any of them were up to interpretation and he corrects people on Kris, and even corrected someone on Chara during the anniversary stream. Kris is meant to be their own character we, the player, are intruding into the life of. What do you mean Undertale fans don't understand the game, you're the one calling Kris a vessel when the entire point is you don't get a normal vessel. Fuck off.

[altogether-descent]

If you dislike Chara fans simply for liking them... Please just be nice

I assume most people enjoy at least one character who've done worse than Chara's story. They didn't even directly hurt anyone but themselves. They wanted to, but they didn't because Asriel stopped them. Geno is the player's fault, and anything they did is because we put it into their head that it's the reason they're back. If Flowey can be excused for being soulless then they deserve more credit.

And sure, there are spaces specifically about them. Tumblr isn't even so bad. But I don't wanna have to only talk about them or express thoughts in hidden away spaces because of what the apparent common idea is about them.

I'm just... tired of feeling alienated in so many spaces for being a fan of Chara rather than, say, Flowey

They're a traumatized child who grew up in a freaking village (look up how big those are, given how they hate all humans at that age, if they had such a small sample size they were most likely not good to them)

They're a good depiction of what the effects of abuse can do to someone. Maybe all that's uncomfortable, but with any of these opinions, please, be nice to people who like the character... we're not gonna erase the world irl or something...

[altogether-descent]

Chara is more influential than you think they are.

In No Mercy/Genocide, Sans is killed by a slash whether you have a knife equipped or not. Same with Asgore and Flowey.

Frisk didn't break the turn system to attack Sans twice. That was Chara. Chara attacked Sans, Chara attacked Asgore, and Chara attacked Flowey.

"We eradicated the enemy and became strong."

Stating they also helped us eradicate the enemy only makes sense if they helped us kill. And there are numerous pieces of evidence they did. The kill counter doesn't go up after Sans, the knife slashes when none is equipped, together they all point to this. If they're powerful enough to destroy the world, they're powerful enough to reach outside their host body and slash.

People say this is laziness or forgetfulness from Toby, but I doubt that. Altogether, this seems very intentional.

Sans not adding to the kill counter is likely because Chara is the one who killed him, not Frisk. Never in any other cases does the fight button attack on its own, nor in any other case is it specifically coded to only use the knife animation, besides Asgore and Flowey dying, which were also likely Chara.