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It just hit me that Vergil doesn’t have friends.

Or specifically, he (currently) doesn’t have any form of connections with anyone else who isn’t family.

Like- Dante has friends, or an equivalent to them, such as Lady, Trish, or even Morrison. (You could argue that they’re more of work colleagues than friends, which honestly, sure.)

He also had Nell and Gru… at least, until before their deaths.

He also has Patty, who isn’t exactly a friend, but a younger person he’s attached to in a more protective manner.

Basically, Dante has a variety of other relationships with people who aren’t Vergil. (I’m not saying that Vergil is less important in anyway. It’s just Dante has (overall) significant relationships with his brother, friends, nephew, and a girl he once protected)

But… Vergil? He only has Dante and (most likely) Nero.

And that makes sense because he’s been detached from other people for so long. He was also somewhat arrogant and callous, so it’s not easy for others to like him. So, during his young adult years, he had very few interactions with others. Then there were the years with Mundus… obviously he wasn’t socializing with others then.

Vergil in his entire life, in canon, has had maybe less than or only 3 significant relationships with those who aren’t family.

One is actually that old man whose house he often visited when he was younger. It’s heavily implied that he had a good relationship with that man.

When Vergil waits outside of his house, he isn’t surprised to see him. His reaction is:” You ran away, again?”

This is not the first time he’s seen Vergil in this type of context.

The old man also knows about Dante, so Vergil must’ve talked about him at some point (or most likely, complained about him).

Vergil doesn’t get defensive or offended when asked about his brother (which is personal info) and actually answers him honestly. He was willing to share personal information and thoughts with this man, so he trusts him to some degree. (Also, he tried to take the man’s tea, which means he’s comfortable enough to act a bit informally around him. You wouldn’t try to take a stranger’s drink, would you?)

The man also notes Vergil’s reading Blake again. Which implies he’s seen what types of books Vergil reads, so again, the two are actually quite comfortable with each other.

Enough so that the man was willing to let Vergil keep the book after realizing that he liked it a lot.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the old man was Vergil’s first friend (or equivalent) apart from Dante.

(That’s just extra evidence that Vergil has an old soul, ha)

And the second? Well, that has to be Nero’s mom. We don’t know much about her, but… they made Nero. Let’s leave it at that.

And the third.

Griffon. The bird.

Griffon was probably the first source of support that Vergil, or specifically V, had in a long time.

He was always there for V. Always. And he adapted himself to fit whatever V needed.

In the beginning V was not an easy person to work with because he was very arrogant. But Griffon kept on answering his questions and helped him find the other nightmares. And even if V refused to take Griffon’s advice on dealing with Phantom or Nightmare, he stuck around. Eventually, the two figure out how to work together.

Later on, Griffon was constantly teasing V or cracking jokes, which is actually a sign of emotional awareness. V’s current situation was stressful and somewhat depressing, and Griffon tried to make the mood lighter through jokes and teasing, which likely helped V in subtle ways.

But when it was needed, Griffon was the one to pull V out of whatever emotions he was overwhelmed with.

V wasn’t truly alone with Griffon’s presence. He had a friend who gave him many moments of levity and when needed, the push he needed to continue forward.

V(ergil)’s first ever friend in decades happened to be a rare individual who was a “ride or die” type.

And Griffon actually died for him. Which is even more impactful bc the whole reason why Griffon teamed up with V was so he wouldn’t die. But he eventually cared for V so much for that he chose to.

Maybe it’s just me, but it just seems a bit sad because Vergil will never have a friend with that type of loyalty ever again.

(From another perspective, Griffon raised the bar way too high)

And this might be a very silly, insignificant thing to ask for, but honestly, I hope that if Capcom ever decides to continue the story, Vergil makes a friend.

I think that it’s great that Vergil has made a lot of progress and is rebuilding his relationship with Dante (and hopefully one day Nero).

Familial relationships are important (duh) but sometimes having someone outside of your family to talk to is good.

And I don’t think it’s would be out of character for Vergil to have a friend. While he might be stoic and a bit of a loner, he’s just as human as everyone else- we need the company of others.

Like- Dante has Lady and Trish. And Nero, who has been described as a “lone wolf” type, eventually found a friend in Nico.

Capcom, come on…give Vergil a friend too, lol.

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I don’t know what this is. This is not an analysis, nor is it even canon DMC material. I just had this weird thought about Vergil, which then spiraled into a bunch of "what if" questions that eventually became a story?? Is this a fanfic? I don’t think it is. 

I don’t know exactly what this is, but I had to put all of these thoughts down here...

Do you think Vergil out of nowhere gets stuck in this odd sense of familiarity that he can’t explain? 

Like- after returning from hell, he decides to take a look around Redgrave. 

While wandering around, he sees a dilapidated building that he’s never seen before… but it looks familiar?

And it confuses him because he’s never explored this part of town and never seen this building… so why does he recognize it? 

Out of curiosity, he decides to go inside and take a look. Instantly, he knows that the door to the left of the entrance leads to the staircase. 

Even though Vergil would never admit it, this is scaring him a bit because... how does he know that? He's never been here before. 

He walks up the stairs to the 5th floor because that’s what this weird sense of familiarity is telling him.

When he opens the door, he sees a dirty hallway with peeling wall paint and cracked ceilings. And he still has no clue why he can recognize each crack and odd flake of paint…

Now, the weird feeling is telling Vergil to open the 3rd door down the hall. 

He enters the room, and sees that in the center, there’s a pile of empty cans, rotting newspapers and old, moldy blankets-

Then, Vergil remembers that V stayed in this room at some point while waiting for the month to pass. 

He stayed in this building before, but also never set foot in it til now. 

Do you think, when Vergil sees a place V has traveled to or performs an action V did, he gets stuck in this weird mental space where he is familiar with it but also disconnected from it? 

He was here before, but never visited it. 

He ate a hamburger before, but this is his first time trying it. 

It was him, but it also wasn't. 

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Usually while writing my DMC analysis posts, I try to break down the scene by describing what is happening, then discussing the significance.

I think I got frustrated with my writing at some point and wrote this placeholder sentence down...

After looking back at this, I thought that this was too funny to not share. This sentence isn't going to show up in the final post, but it's still a very accurate description of V in that moment.

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(Very) Random Thoughts about Vergil's Memories

It's midnight where I am, but because my brain hates me, I got hit by an (imaginary) airplane full of bunch of random thoughts about Vergil... 

Doesn't Vergil (as of post-DMC5) technically have four different sets of memories? 

Now, you're probably like: CK, what nonsense are you talking about? 

I'm not a psychologist or a memory expert, so I could be very wrong. But in order to create and store memories, you (most likely) need to have a mind or a consciousness- an awareness of your internal states (thoughts, emotions, feelings, memories, etc) and your surroundings. You need to be aware of what is happening to you, both internally and externally, to create memories. 

Vergil (obviously) has a consciousness. He has memories from his childhood up til his adulthood, or specifically up til he stabbed himself with the Yamato. He would remember his childhood before the attack, his life afterwards, which consisted of being continuously on the run from Mundus's demons and collecting knowledge to gain more power. He'd also remember the events of Temen-ni-gru, being tortured by Mundus, the events of Mallet Island, etc, and up til he stabbed himself. 

That's one set of memories (which he would continue to add new memories now that he's back).

Then, he stabbed himself with the Yamato and became two different beings (or entities): Urizen and V. There are two beings (with consciousness) at the same time. 

V had his own experiences: running around making contracts with familiars, hiring Dante, meeting Nero, spending one month in Redgrave, etc. 

While we didn't really see much of Urizen beyond the times he shows up to fight Dante or Nero, we can assume he also had his own experiences throughout DMC5. 

So, that's two sets of memories of one specific time period (~ 1 month or more) 

One thing to note, before I continue, is how this would work in Vergil's mind. Does he remember everything all at once, or does he remember things in parallel? 

For example, when Dante first confronts Urizen in the Qlipoth, V is (of course) there. He's watching Urizen beat up Dante, and later on, Nero. Meanwhile, Urizen would remember being the one to beat up those two. 

From Urizen's perspective on the fight:

From V's perspective of the fight:

Is Vergil going to remember that he was terrified in the moment (from V's memories) and that he was apathetic (from Urizen's memories) all at the same time? Or can he remember these feelings in parallel- V was terrified while Urizen wasn't?

(I don't know, this is hurting my head)

This also means that Vergil (technically) has seen two sides of Nero. As Urizen, he saw Nero trash-talking him. But as V, he saw Nero as the polite guy who looked out for him, and later on, saved him. 

With Urizen's memories, he would remember Nero talking like this:

With V's memories, he would remember Nero talking like this:

Vergil's seen the best and worst traits of his son. 

(I doubt it would happen, but it would be very hilarious if Vergil ever brought up the "your parents didn't like you much" line to Nero after they reunite. The awkwardness that would cause, lol) 

So, I mentioned three sets of memories. Where does the fourth one come from? 

At the end of Visions of V, V meets Vergil after he merges with Urizen and they have a conversation.

There are technically two perspectives of that conversation: V's and Vergil's.

Vergil's perspective on that conversation, albeit very short, would be the fourth set of memories. He'd remember listening to what V has to say and his own responses. 

Now, you might be saying: 

CK, Vergil might not remember this conversation. His conversation with V was on another plane of existence (a limbo) or of his subconsciousness. This might be happening so deep in his subconscious that he might not remember all of this. He might be aware or somewhat remember what he discusses with V, but he most likely doesn't remember the exact conversation. 

I (respectfully) disagree. I think Vergil remembers everything from that conversation with V. 

The whole conversation started with V trying to give back the poetry book to Vergil, or, specifically, to return his "heart" to him. 

Vergil resists at first, trying to keep the book away from him. But V doesn't give up and continues to offer the book to Vergil. 

Eventually, Vergil takes the book. 

Long story short, the book is an important part of the conversation since it begins with V trying to give it back to Vergil, then him offering it again, and finally with Vergil taking it back. 

When Vergil returns to the physical plane, what is the first thing he does? 

He picks up the book and looks at it. 

He actually spends a long moment looking at it, as if he's taking in everything that happened. That moment ends when Dante charges at him. 

I think that's good enough evidence that Vergil remembers the entire conversation with V. And that means he has a fourth set of memories from that conversation. 

So.. Vergil has four different sets of memories in his mind right now. How is he going to deal with all of that? 

Dunno. 

Good luck, Vergil, you're going to have a lot of headaches figuring this all out. 

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Me in August 2025: Ooh. A show about a demon hunter who is voiced by JYB? That looks cool. I do have some time to kill, so I might as well watch it…

Me in April 2026, having written an analysis (which will be approx. 17K when finished) on a DMC manga that never got an official translation, and the majority of the fandom hasn’t read :

HOW.

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Still on a hiatus, but I can't get this out of my brain, so here we go again- 

(Also, it's around 2 AM where I am, so if it sounds like rambling, it's because it is)

Thinking about how V became kinder at the end of his journey. 

Vergil isn't a good person- you can't deny it. He's callous and violent- all in an attempt to embrace his demonic heritage instead of his human one.

Even though V lacks demonic power, he still has Vergil's personality and memories. Basically-he isn't a very good person either. 

There's the scene where he meets that little boy in the abandoned supermarket, and he straight-up bullies the poor child. 

V sees someone in a less fortunate situation than himself and takes it as an opportunity to mock and belittle them. Also, he's being a hypocrite- a few hours ago, he was going around saving people. He wanted to understand what made him different from Dante, and he decided that it was because Dante saves people, so he decided to do the same. But in the supermarket, when he sees this child in danger, he mocks him instead. 

It's interesting- you can tell V is acting entirely on his emotions here. He sees a child who is too weak to protect himself, but is trying to save his mother. He lashes out at the child because it reminds him of what he hates- weakness and helplessness. He sees a hopeless situation, one where either the boy lives, and the mother dies, or both die. He is adamant that the end will turn out either way. In his life, it was just him who survived, not Eva. 

To him, that's how life works. It isn't kind, only the strong survive. 

Jump forward to the ending, where V sees a scared Vergil, running from his trauma, his nightmares. Old V (or Vergil) would have  scorned him for showing such weakness. He probably would've called him weak and belittled him. He would've been cruel when facing a scared child. 

But instead, V comforts Vergil and tells him there is no reason to be afraid anymore. He encourages him to move forward and reconnect with Dante. 

How V responds to Vergil in this moment shows that he has become kinder after his entire journey. 

Yes, he's being kind to himself, not another person here, but that makes it more touching- he's being kinder to himself after all the hardship- all of the suffering- he's been through. 

But....

Does that mean Vergil, himself, is capable of being kind?

I think so. 

Is he going to be kind to other people now?

Realistically, no. It is difficult to break old ways of thinking and habits. 

Is there a chance he will become kind towards others?

Not really. Well, maybe? Give him a thousand-ish (or two) years, and we'll see. 

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If a random thought enters my mind while I'm busy, I'll quickly write it down in my Notes and return to it later.

I was looking back at some notes from a few weeks ago…

What was I on when I wrote this?

What possessed me to write this???

(I'm going to continue using “the Bermuda triangle of communication” in my future writing to describe when Dante, Vergil, and Nero are in the same place because this is hilarious looooool)

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I might give up on my VoV analysis. I just… hate my writing right now.

I look at my writing and I hate how I worded my thoughts and ideas. I’m not even sure if these ideas aren't stupid and if they’re worth sharing.

I really don't know what to do at this point.