when you were designing clanmew, did you intend for wrah and gryyr to represent a split between alienable and inalienable possession, or is that just a coincidence?
Like most things that were settles on very early in Clanmew, it was something I extrapolated from how @bonefall first designed the language from his viewpoint of being a monolingual English speakers completely unfamiliar with linguistics.
wrah was in fact one of the very first words whose usage I helped define. I extrapolated it from how it was used in one of the earliest example sentences: "amam wrah", which Bones translated as "toad mine".
Given how it was established that Clanmew didn't have a dedicated first person singular pronoun at first, I thought it would be interesting to analyze it as a verb with a null prefix for first person. Thus amam ∅-wrah. And there you go, Clanmew's OSV word order.
gryyr was of course defined as a complement to wrah, evolving from the other already established element of Clanmew of having a null copula. Inalienable possession made the most sense. I didn't explain it to Bones that way at the time, he was still quite new to the technical language, but that was certainly the idea.
Closing in on 10,000 words on just my naming sheet aka the ClanMew/ClowderMew noun dictionary for all intents and purposes. And I'm probably halfway to 2/3rds of the way in at best.
(I have most of the non-plants listed, and I'm sorting through plants rn to add them. Then it's adding the ClanMew/ClowderMew words for each one)
This has been the main doc I've been working on for Skyfall for the last several months. Hence the lack of posting lmao.
I love working on conlangs so this just absorbed all my attention.
So while I play with making my own dialect(s) of Bonefall's Clanmew, I run into more and more situations where I need words that simply don't exist, and coming up with them is very scary and hard! Luckily, there is GenWord, a conlanging tool that allows you to randomly generate words based on specific settings. I hyperfixated a little too close to the sun and worked out as complete a set of rules for Clanmew as possible, which I'll put here for any other dialect-makers to use :3.
First, the categories. These parts tell the generator what consonants and vowels are available, as well as the frequency with which they appear. I used a character frequency counter to determine the order. The main two categories are consonants and vowels. You could add more categories for your different types of consonants (stops, liquids), but when I tried that I think I made it less Clanmew-y and I was too tired to keep playing with it. That feature does give you more control over your consonant clusters, though, if you'd like to play with it. There's a tutorial on the site that goes over how. Anyway!
C=rRhkwbpsfnmglSHcYCqFP tdj
V=aoeiuy
I've put a space between T, D, and J at the top because they only show up in 1-4 words (out of over 1.6k) in the current Clanmew lexicon. According to Bones, J is Townmew-specific and there shouldn't be any dental consonants, so some people may choose to omit those.
The capital letters do matter for something called the Rewrite Rules, which tell the generator to swap out certain characters for consonant clusters. I am also including some illegal consonant clusters to prevent those from showing up. These are all the ones I noticed in Clanmew, but feel free to let me know if I missed any:
Now comes the hard part: syllables. These are pretty hard because there's no easy way to check for frequency, so I just kinda....stared at the list and did my best. This section checks for how consonants and vowels can show up in a syllable. If that makes sense. It is also ordered by frequency again.
Single-word syllables:
VC
VCC
CVC
CCVCC
CCV
VCCC
Word-initial syllables:
CV
V
CVC
VC
CCVC
CCV
Mid-word syllables:
CV
V
VC
CVC
Word-final syllables:
CV
V
VC
CVC
Honestly, I could probably refine that a bit more, add more syllable types and play with the order, but it's actually starting to break my brain, lol. I would love better control over the frequency of specific clusters (rw for example), and I'm sure I could achieve that with some more work, but this will do for now. People with more patience and Clanmew/conlang experience than me, feel free to tweak stuff and show me!
Also, just for reference, here is a post Bones made about how they come up with words, which you can take or leave as you see fit :3.
I am so obsessed with warrior cat/xenomoggy stuff today..
Anyway, I used Bonefall's Clanmew conlang to make some hypothetical names for my main xenomoggy guys. It was all taken straight from the lexicon so it's not articulated at all, but I like it.
Jackdaw-Prance : Miaw-Fookse
Lily'Soft : Urcha'Afi
Clash-Raven : Kubo-Nyok
Swirling-Robin : Aiu-Birri
Blue'Sight : Lupar'Pipo
I do need to update this family's toyhouse profiles into their xenomoggy versions but that's another time when I've got the setting and story more developed lol
Ooooh, thanks so much for the clanmew dictionary. I was thinking about translating some of my oc's names to clanmew for fun just when I saw it.
Is it as simple as slapping a prefix and suffix together or is combining the words more complicated for a name?
You do just slap prefix + suffix together, yeah! If any of y'all have Clanmew Q's, you can always ask me. Bones is not focused on the Better Bones AU, but we have a wealth of unreleased material and I can always help out with translations related to stuff that we already have.
Recently, I stumbled onto a warrior cats based conlang called Clanmew. From what I can tell, it's by tumblr users Bonefall and Troutfur.
I really want to try my hand at learning this. I'll be posting some update logs as I go, to practice! Beware some mistakes, as like I said, I'm learning. The translation will be in bold. This short introduction will be of a random oc i made on the spot, Sageheart (Meiababun)
(Apologies, as the sentence might be similar to some of the example sentences from the post I'm learning from, as I did reference that.)
Approximate translation: Hello, fellow clanmate! I am Sageheart. I am a tom. I am a RiverClan warrior.
And that's the first introduction down! This is basically what I understand so far, but even now I'm sort of struggling. Hopefully I'll get sort of better as I go along, making more complex sentences.
To try and regain motivation to work on my translation of Starkit's Prophecy into Clanmew (the Warrior Cats conlang of @troutfur and @bonefall), I wrote an original story in Clanmew, set in the Better Bones AU and inspired by a story I read in a book of Filipino folktales from the 1920s.
Provided here is that story, an English translation, and an interlinear gloss.
I've kind of simplified the gloss? I still say, like, jussive and genitive, but I've also used "verbed" rather than "verb.PST" and such. It's mostly in the interest of legibility.
In the gloss, a full stop . represents multiple English morphemes being part of the same Clanmew morpheme, and a hyphen - represents the boundary between two Clanmew morphemes.
Lacking words for "give" and "take," I commandeered "prreerreerr," extending it in meaning from "to bring" to "to bring forward, to present" and from there to "to surrender or give," and "hageeshi," extending it in meaning from "to bring" to "to bring with or take."
Bab erra rriu Washa-ulnyams urr-rrehen.
Hearsay.evidential currently cat ShadowClan they.clanmate-existed
I heard that at this time there was a ShadowClan cat.
Beego urr mi-om-ba urrayeoyrr, nyargryyr.
How them.clanmate mi-and-ba they.clanmate-call-ed not-I.contain
Strong-ness lion-have recent.ancestor single they.clanmate-not-contained and loud-ness lion-have distant.ancestor single they.religious-not-contained
Not one recent ancestor was as strong as the lion, and not one distant ancestor was as loud!
Ssar-ababab, om sabsab gam ssarwrah ki-om-koss-om-gi-om-groq husskarra om owar om owar ssar-rrehen.
It.powerful-spoke and between jaws it.powerful-has fang-and-front.teeth-and-middle.teeth-and-back.teeth whisker.amount and another and another they.powerful-existed
It spoke, and between its jaws were dozens of rows of teeth.
Ssar-ababab, om graow ssarwrah ken ssarskesklef.
It.powerful-spoke and roar it.powerful-have cave it.powerful-shook
"Afterwards, they realised that surrendering things had saved their life."
Urrsiqe, weearbausswang bawee wigryyrg yeferr wi mwrrkubo rriu owar rarryararra.
You.clanmate-new.information working.owlface-ness broken.owlface it.useless-contained before it.useless they.rogue-struck cat other they.outsider-think
You see, these others think that the owlface was not broken before Mushroomface hit it.
Bipwa weearbauss om bkochkachik om swashwaf mwrrprreerreerr fuh raor.
Therefore working.owlface and spear-clawtip and tail-object they.rogue-presented to lion
Thus they would have surrendered their owlface and spearhead and rope to the lion.
Om rriu owar rarrababa ewa:
And cat other they.outsider-say so
And these others say:
"Bipwa nyarmwyrgna rarrgryyrg om fuh Washa-ulnyams rarrafarrwa umnem."
Therefore not-selfishness they.outsider-contained and to ShadowClan they.outsider-went again
"So they became unselfish and returned to ShadowClan."
Yarrnuf bab mwyrgna mwrrgryyrg erra.
But hearsay.evidential selfishness they.rogue-contained currently
But I have heard that they remained selfish.
Om mwrr nyarpreerreerrwang pyrrshefpashaf mwrryararrab.
And them.rogue not-presented-ness it.inanimate-rescued they.rogue-thought
And they thought that not surrendering things had saved their life.
Hassayyr, neek bawee om bkochkachik om shashwaf mwrrprreerreerr fuh rriu...
Discourse.particle if broken-owlface and spear-clawtip and tail-object they.rogue-presented to cat
After all, if they had surrendered to anyone the broken owlface and the spearhead and the rope...
Om ye arrwee, urrsife, pyrrwang shashwaf ul pyrrgryyr.
And from things you.clanmate-already.know useful-ness tail-object only it.inanimate-contains
And of these things, of course, only the rope is "pyrr."
Neek arrwee mwrrpreerrerr, mwrr raor ssarworra.
If things they.rogue-presented them.rogue lion it.powerful-killed
If they had surrendered these things, the lion would have killed them.
Yass ewa Skubibauss mwrryararrab.
Inference.evidential so Mushroomface they.rogue-thought
I believe Mushroomface thought thus.
Ewa mwrryararrab, om erra nyo mwrrprreerreerr err.
So they.rogue-thought and currently less they.rogue-presented afterwards
They thought thus, and they surrendered even less afterwards
Om woobaben, bweh mwrrnyarskiskes, en kroob mwrrwrah.
And prey-bones what they.rogue-not-scattered genitive hill they.rogue-have
And they ended up with a hill of prey bones they never got rid of.
Om ob Skubibauss kroob wifewl, om mwrr wiworra.
And on.top.of Mushroomface hill it.useless-fell and them.rogue it.useless-killed
And this hill fell on them and killed them.
Nyom fuh Washa-ulnyams urrafarrwa umnem.
Or to ShadowClan they.clanmate-went again
Or they went back to ShadowClan.
Neek ewa, pi shegarra urrwrah arromarr aben.
If so direct.evidential descendant they.clanmate-have many I.behold