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Okay, this one’s a stretch, but I recently stumbled across this and now I’m incredibly curious.

Was the feature of the conlang where it’s specified where information came from, with different levels of reliability, inspired by the indigenous Matsés language in Peru? It have an EXTREMELY similar feature, one that struck me immediately as similar to the one in clanmew, and I’m extremely curious if there was inspiration there or if it’s a complete coincidence!

It's probably a little above coincidence, because Clanmew is a collaboration with my buddy, @aerial-jace! He handles most of the grammar, and I handle the vocabulary.

We chat back and forth about sentence structure, what information they should be able to communicate right away, and general flow. In addition to speaking several languages, he's actually an archeologist who studies proto-Mayan culture and an understanding of Nahautl is obviously very important to that.

The Matsés language didn't come up by name, but a LOT of languages from further south did. It's very likely that Matsès has a similar concept to one of the Quecha or Uto-Aztecan languages we did talk about, or even was influenced by them.

Sooo, it's a coincidence in that it wasn't one of our main inspirations, but also not a coincidence in that we were discussing languages in the geographic area. I'm 75% sure I remember the "reliability" feature being something Jace suggested, so he's more likely to remember where the inspiration came from specifically.

The language that I tried hardest to put into Clanmew is actually Welsh. I intentionally worked Welsh into the phonology, since I was studying it at the time. We actually came up with the OSV word order before we started talking about Xavante and Apurinã as examples of the rare word order to reference.

Japanese is also probably present in Clanmew's DNA, amusingly. That's simply because me and Jace both just happen to like it, and it amuses my lover a lot when I point out similarities between it and British-English.

(Ee otenki innit bruv? Nice weather so desu ne? This gets them every time.)

You'll probably find the most influential for Clanmew is English, though, particularly in the vocabulary. I end up making a lot of direct translations for archaic and/or unique concepts in Old/Middle/Modern British-English, like categories of animal, particles, natural occurances, and the sheer number of nouns describing types of rain.

#Ill also share this. Im a little bit of an Andes fangirlboy.#Probably because I was sort-of-stepsiblings (child of divorce thing iykyk) for several formative years with a kid who was chilean #He was like an older brother to me and he was SUPER proud of his heritage. We had to part ways when our parents did though #Ever since then I've felt like the Andes are super neat. Especially the regions very far south #Gotta be one of my favorite mountain ranges. She really has it all. Jungles. Deserts. Tundras. Temperate forests.#Marge with the entire andes mountain range: i just think theyre neat #Clanmew #For Secret Project I have been STRUGGLING with the Muskogean family lately #Im going to die of static and active verbs

Clanmew Word Generator

So while I play with making my own dialect(s) of Bonefall's Clanmew, I run into more and more situations where I need words that simply don't exist, and coming up with them is very scary and hard! Luckily, there is GenWord, a conlanging tool that allows you to randomly generate words based on specific settings. I hyperfixated a little too close to the sun and worked out as complete a set of rules for Clanmew as possible, which I'll put here for any other dialect-makers to use :3.

First, the categories. These parts tell the generator what consonants and vowels are available, as well as the frequency with which they appear. I used a character frequency counter to determine the order. The main two categories are consonants and vowels. You could add more categories for your different types of consonants (stops, liquids), but when I tried that I think I made it less Clanmew-y and I was too tired to keep playing with it. That feature does give you more control over your consonant clusters, though, if you'd like to play with it. There's a tutorial on the site that goes over how. Anyway!

C=rRhkwbpsfnmglSHcYCqFP tdj V=aoeiuy

I've put a space between T, D, and J at the top because they only show up in 1-4 words (out of over 1.6k) in the current Clanmew lexicon. According to Bones, J is Townmew-specific and there shouldn't be any dental consonants, so some people may choose to omit those.

The capital letters do matter for something called the Rewrite Rules, which tell the generator to swap out certain characters for consonant clusters. I am also including some illegal consonant clusters to prevent those from showing up. These are all the ones I noticed in Clanmew, but feel free to let me know if I missed any:

S||ss Y||yy R||rr B||pb H||sh C||ch P||pf F||ff rrrr||rr cp||p|c pm||mp ii||i kk||k

Now comes the hard part: syllables. These are pretty hard because there's no easy way to check for frequency, so I just kinda....stared at the list and did my best. This section checks for how consonants and vowels can show up in a syllable. If that makes sense. It is also ordered by frequency again.

Single-word syllables: VC VCC CVC CCVCC CCV VCCC

Word-initial syllables: CV V CVC VC CCVC CCV

Mid-word syllables: CV V VC CVC

Word-final syllables: CV V VC CVC

Honestly, I could probably refine that a bit more, add more syllable types and play with the order, but it's actually starting to break my brain, lol. I would love better control over the frequency of specific clusters (rw for example), and I'm sure I could achieve that with some more work, but this will do for now. People with more patience and Clanmew/conlang experience than me, feel free to tweak stuff and show me!

Also, just for reference, here is a post Bones made about how they come up with words, which you can take or leave as you see fit :3.

#xenomoggy #cat xenofiction #xenofiction #clanmew dialects #clanmew #conlang

when you were designing clanmew, did you intend for wrah and gryyr to represent a split between alienable and inalienable possession, or is that just a coincidence?

Like most things that were settles on very early in Clanmew, it was something I extrapolated from how @bonefall first designed the language from his viewpoint of being a monolingual English speakers completely unfamiliar with linguistics.

wrah was in fact one of the very first words whose usage I helped define. I extrapolated it from how it was used in one of the earliest example sentences: "amam wrah", which Bones translated as "toad mine".

Given how it was established that Clanmew didn't have a dedicated first person singular pronoun at first, I thought it would be interesting to analyze it as a verb with a null prefix for first person. Thus amam ∅-wrah. And there you go, Clanmew's OSV word order.

gryyr was of course defined as a complement to wrah, evolving from the other already established element of Clanmew of having a null copula. Inalienable possession made the most sense. I didn't explain it to Bones that way at the time, he was still quite new to the technical language, but that was certainly the idea.

#I have since educated him though #clanmew #warrior cats #wc #warrior cats au #better bones AU #haneossia

Closing in on 10,000 words on just my naming sheet aka the ClanMew/ClowderMew noun dictionary for all intents and purposes. And I'm probably halfway to 2/3rds of the way in at best.

(I have most of the non-plants listed, and I'm sorting through plants rn to add them. Then it's adding the ClanMew/ClowderMew words for each one)

This has been the main doc I've been working on for Skyfall for the last several months. Hence the lack of posting lmao.

I love working on conlangs so this just absorbed all my attention.

#wc skyfall rewrite #skyfall project #skyfall worldbuilding #clanmew #clanmew: clowdermew

Vervainpaw (/blight) having a chat with his mother Plumstar in @bonefall's clanmew

Translation (vibes based):

VP: Blight kills rotten plums (Comparing her death to the death of a plum on a blighted tree. Inevitable due to their rotten nature (and gravity))

PS: You demon child!

VP: Demon child?

VP:

(I swear there's some movie where a girl hysterically screams 'I am my mothers daughter!' while wearing a white dress in the pouring rain, but I've never been able to find it I saw that clip in like a commercial once tho and it has stuck with me)

Actual translation

VP: [Rotten-quality plums blight kills(mercilessly)] = "Blight kills rotten plums" (hopefully, I'm not confident in my adjectives use)

PS: [(Sadistic evil)ness (you familial)-contain] = "You're evil!"

(Plumstar is using the nyams pronoun. Even though Vervainpaw is her child she hardly ever uses this pronoun. She uses it in public where it she thinks it's expected and she uses it when she's talking her way past their boundaries or praising them for doing something she ordered them to do. It's a manipulative habit that she's not even fully aware she does. Right now they are alone, before she needed them to save her life she was probably using the rarrs pronoun, but now she needs something and is pulling the family card.)

VP: [Question: (sadistic evil)ness (I)-contain] = "I'm evil?"

VP: [Plumtailness (I)-contain] = "I'm like you!"

(Refusing to use star. Disavowing her not just as their leader, but a leader in general. Wildly disrespectful.)

#My oc #warrior cat oc #Vervainblight #plumtail #my art #Clanmew

Skubibauss en Pao

To try and regain motivation to work on my translation of Starkit's Prophecy into Clanmew (the Warrior Cats conlang of @troutfur and @bonefall), I wrote an original story in Clanmew, set in the Better Bones AU and inspired by a story I read in a book of Filipino folktales from the 1920s.

Provided here is that story, an English translation, and an interlinear gloss.

#clanmew #this did manage to reinvigorate my willingness to keep translating starkit's prophecy btw #so like watch out for that #though i may end up redoing what i've done so far on account of in writing this i've gotten a bit of a better grasp of clanmew #adjectives are definitely postpositive for example #unrelatedly hopefully this is all accurate to bb-au clan culture

wow sorry this one took forever but here you go! I've been using sai for this page and i think it looks a lot cleaner lol MOON 7 - GREENLEAF SparkClan has declared war on MumbleClan.

Icefur killed two SparkClan kits while on patrol

Echostep and Icefur had a huge fight, and the two have broken up

Willowkit is named Willowpaw, and apprenticed late under Shadowleap. (I think the game glitched but we’re going to say Snapstar forgot how old Willowkit was)

I feel the need to point out the importance of the mwrrs pronoun being used for Icefur here, Echostep is VERY angry with her

On a lighter note however, I came up with a term for ceremonies, it’s literally just “[new rank]-rank-leap” lol

Clanmew Translation below!

#clangen #modern mumbleclan #mumbleclan #clangen comic #clangen update #clanmew #shadowleap #icefur #willowpaw #echostep #mumbleclangen #mumbleclan year 1

some cceu clanmew names

I love Clanmew. It's one of my favourite things ever (again: big fan of BetterBones), I've always wanted to try my hand at conlangs. What better way to start off than creating a dialect for an already existing conlang? Credits to @/bonefall for the Base Clanmew. The Cloudclan Clanmew is actually pretty important because I need to work some things out with it to come up with some things with the Featherseekers (one of the three groups in CCEU).

I'm not sure what I'll call it, so I've been calling it Cloudclan's Clanmew in my head, but I might change it to something more along the lines of Cloudmew, Feathermew, or Islandmew. Cloudmew being from Cloudclan and the -mew. Feathermew being from the Featherseekers and -mew. Annnd Islandmew being from the fact they live on an Island...and -mew. More about the island thing later, I'm still figuring out how it fits into everything. (Edit: as of August 2nd, 2024, the official name for it is Islandmew.)

I'm not too sure how to go about with conlangs or dialects, but for now, I've chosen two cats with names that have words that aren't in the Base Clanmew lexicon and tried to translate their names to Clanmew...and thus having to create a new word or two in the process.

First up we have...

Spiderlilystar! (Reyskepaishai)