#cornbread sinners

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omar benson-miller, wunmi mosaku and miles caton behind the scenes as cornbread, annie and sammie for SINNERS (2025)

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I've been having SUCH a good time in the Sinners tag, reading so much interesting and insightful meta!

So here's my contribution—spoilers ahead.

The thing I can't stop thinking about is the horror *after* Sinners. Like something truly goddamn awful happened in this community and nobody knows!!! Like 50-60 people just DISAPPEARED overnight and everyone else just has to pick up the pieces???

Sammie knows, but he can't tell anyone. They probably know he knows something, but like...... there's just no explanation. No wonder he runs away to Chicago. Yes, blues is his dream but ALSO how could you stay home after that?

Maybe they think the Klan crashed the party and killed everyone? Since the next day someone will find Smoke and all those white Klan corpses there. But WHERE is Stack. Smoke and Stack are always together. And WHERE are the fifty+ other people who were at the party last night! There's absolutely no trace of them. It's mind boggling and mystifying and upsetting.

Grace and Bo never go home to Lisa. Annie will surely be missed by all the people who counted on her, for magic and food and being there. Cornbread doesn't go home to Therise and their baby on the way. Delta Slim was a staple in the community and he's just gone. Pearline and Mary both don't go back to their husbands. And repeat that over and over and over for everyone who was there and there's NO CLUE for where they could have gone.

What a traumatic thing to rip through this community. It's horrible. And I can't stop thinking about it.

[honeytoffee]

Annie: “They gave me the willies.”

Stack: “Yeah, well, Crackers at night time will do that to you.”

😂😂😂😂

[dirtfullofamnesia]

AAA

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Thinking about how despite needing to be invited in, Remmick always forces himself into where he is explicitly not allowed. He doesn’t understand racial tensions in Jim Crow Mississippi but also can’t comprehend Normal Fucking Boundaries. He hasn’t been human for so long that he either forgot, or he just doesn’t care.

He is a predator in every sense of the word. Every vampire that he or his followers create are made without their consent or knowledge of what vampirism entails. Every time he’s invited inside he achieved it through lying, manipulation or coercion. And he thinks it’s fine because he has a borderline religious mission to save souls from death and assimilate them into his cult of personality.

I counted the amount of onscreen romantic relationships that Remmick either ruins or forced himself into - I’ve come to a total of 5 couples.

1. This happens basically offscreen so I think it’s left up to interpretation, but Remmick did not turn Joan. He sits comfortably in a chair and watches Burt (influenced by Remmick) violently force himself on his wife to turn her into a vampire. And I have reason to believe that, considering the way he speaks to Grace.

2. After turning Bo Chow, Remmick learns of the existence of his wife Grace and their daughter Lisa. Threatening Lisa’s life by itself should have (and would have) been enough for Grace to let him inside, not even mentioning the safety of the whole town. But he doesn’t. What he does is flip through Bo’s memories like files, and find an extremely intimate and personal one of Bo and Grace having sex. And because this is a memory, this isn’t from a third person perspective, this is Bo’s perspective of going down on his wife that Remmick has voyeured himself to. And he lets Grace know it too, in her and Bo’s native language. He tells her that he knows how to have sex with her because he thrifted through her dead husband’s memories, all while Bo stands next to him. I can’t even tell if he was just trying to anger her to let him inside, or if he Genuinely Thought that he was Entitled to the bodies of all of his followers - they share all of their memories, what’s yours is his and what’s his is yours.

3. Pearline is turned into a vampire (by Remmick IIRC). So now Remmick has access to her memories, including her having sex with Sammie, whom he’s obsessed with. So that’s Fuckin Great. And then she dies. Sammie never forgets losing Pearline, he names his band after her. There’s also no mention of him ever marrying or having a family IIRC, so he might not have ever moved on from her.

4. He turns Cornbread, who dies a second time, leaving his wife behind.

5. Annie is about to be turned into a vampire and Smoke follows through on his promise of mercy killing her if that ever came to pass. Then Smoke is killed in a shoot out with the Klan - the same Klan that Remmick had said he was going to ‘rectify’ and Never Did, because he wanted to go some place where he was explicitly Not Invited.

The only relationship that comes out somewhat unscathed is Stack and Mary, but Stack will always have to live with the fact that he is separated from his best friend, his identical twin, forever - and he only has Mary to blame, but he also only has her eternal company.

We talk a lot about the racial assimilation of Remmick’s cult, but not about the boundaries of the relationships he destroyed.

[vampirefunkmetal]

something in sinners that was so sweet and really spoke to the idea of community/family is that, when he saw her again she was grown and married, but mary was still 'little mary' to cornbread.

that sammie is 'little sammie' to mary when she buys him a drink at the juke. that he's still 'little sammie' to her when she and stack visit him in 1992, even though he's grown older than either of them ever will.

there's something so sweet and warm about that. something like 'i knew you when you were a baby'.

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Thinking about Smoke being the most honest with Sammie outside of Stack and Annie. Him talking the most to Sammie, too.

Thinking about Pearline and the theory of her also having griot abilities.

Thinking about how the woman to the right of Pearline, her left, was specifically referred to as her ancestor during the scene with I Lied to You. And you can feel it in how the music spurs them and rattles in their bodies.

Thinking about how Smoke not only teaches the girl he hires to watch his truck the value of negotiating, but when she yells out "theyre stealing!" He affirms her, calmly with a single "mhm" before he opens fire. In that moment it reads to me as him telling the girl that he sees and that hes not upset with her, that shes done her job and hes glad she didn't try to fight them and called for him instead.

Thinking about how Smoke and Stack even drive differently. How Smoke virtually never takes his eyes off the road, but Stack can't stop looking anywhere but the stretch in front of him.

Thinking about how Smoke, despite being a man of few words, will initiate conversation with his loved ones with no hesitation.

Thinking about how Smoke says I love you first before they part ways to set up the juke.

Thinking about how Slim is immediately taken to Sammie and assumes the role of a grandfather and mentor to him, even risking his life.

Thinking about how Slim was terrified just like everyone else but stood on business to protect Sammie, telling Remmick and the rest that no, Sammie belongs to them, belongs with them.

Thinking about how Slim, moments before sacrificing himself had the thought to hand Sammie his guitar, and it saves Sammie's life, that single moment. The fact that Slim saw the guitar as an extension of Sammie and that he would need to keep it with him, and in the end it buys Sammie enough time for Smoke to help him.

Thinking about how there was fresh milk out for Annie and Smoke's baby, before Smoke got there.

Thinking about Smoke watching Annie cast her Divination and knowing she thinks she won't make it. About how he refuses to even allow her to finish showing him what to do once he understands. How disgusted and alarmed he is to bring violence upon her in even that hypothetical.

Thinking about how they so heavily imply Stack to be claustrophobic/afraid of being alone in closed spaces due to either war or their father's abuse.

Thinking about how after Mary is bitten it's implied that Remmick is looking through her and remembers Cornbread denying him with her sass of if he will let her in.

Thinking about how subtitles show that the white characters use the n word with a hard r without fail, and the black characters with the a, except for one time. After Stack has been turned and Slim tells him off, the hard r comes in Stack's rebuttal. This may be a reach, but it feels to me like even though its meant to be Stack speaking he is now closer in status to Remmick, and thus "gains" the hard r because he's no longer Just a black man.

Thinking about how Smoke in any situation where he comforts another says a form of "I'm here." He says it to the baby. He says it to Stack when hes dying. He says it to Sammie as theyre watching Remmick try to recover from getting staked.

Thinking about how when Bo comes back to take Grace, Remmick isnt even trying. Bo says he has the car warmed up, but we hear the clink of the keys in his hand.

Thinking about how Remmick knows immediately that Annie and Smoke are the biggest problems with getting Sammie and so he focuses on them. Trying to get Stack to willingly get turned. Trying to bite Annie as quickly as possible.

Thinking about how Remmick fucks with Cornbread before killing him as revenge for not letting him in.

Thinking about how Cornbread after he becomes a thrall can't keep his story straight. He just pulls whatever out of his ass and hopes for the best and when it doesnt work he tries to force a bite on Smoke in particular.

Thinking about how Stack tries to convince Smoke of the freedom of being a vampire and everyone pulls Smoke back, but in that moment, I think Smoke himself isnt sold. I think his natural inclination was to be with his brother, not against him, but also to protect. So when he moves forward, he doesnt know if he will allow himself to be bit or if he'll try to kill them, he just knows his feet are moving.

Thinking about how Slim thinks about Rice every day, playing at a train station to honor him and not leave him behind.

Thinking about how Slim drinks his money, both to self soothe, but to make sure no one accuses him of being too rich.

Thinking about Slim telling Sammie that white people like blues but not black people, and how that line was improv from Delroy Lindo. As was the humming after he tells Stack and Sammie of Rice's death.

Thinking about the scene where they eat the garlic. How Slim fakes them out and the moment something is awry Smoke stands at the ready and Annie jets behind him, and it doesnt affect Smoke one bit. How they both knew what the other would do.

Thinking about if Sammie thought "Stack said I could drive on the way back....but I didn't want it like this." As he rode back home.

Thinking about Stack saying Annie got between him and Smoke. I think it was their baby dying. I think Smoke was so overcome with grief he pulled away from even Stack.

Just thinkin...