#debunking kaylor

[thetaylorfiles]

For some reason I feel like I should keep this for posterity.

THIS is the “major tea” that Ttb has been holding onto for months and months. This is supposed to be definitive proof that Kaylor is together. That will show everyone.

I recall her saying she had this proof earlier than May. But whatever. Just another lie.

I mean, I’m stating the obvious:

This isn’t the “tea”/proof she hoped to have. This is just what she scrounged up at the last minute.

Also this isn’t proof whatsoever. It’s a gigantic reach. It’s quite pathetic to build up to this as if you have some grand, glorious piece of proof to end all doubters thoughts and arrows. And then present this?! It’s truly sad.

Does the submitter think that Karlie doesn’t have an assistant who can’t forward her mail to her when she’s away? Does she really believe that Chrissy Tiegan had to find out Karlies CA address, which would be super weird because she doesn’t own property here?

Karlie is a nice who travels CONATANTLY. Of course she has an assistant or a team who forwards her mail to her.

Or that assistant or team just takes pics with the book and posts them to her IG.

Chrissy and Karlie aren’t BFFs. It’s mutual promotion. It’s understood that if Chrissy sends Karlie a book, then Karlie will post it on insta, giving Chrissy free promo. And then when Karlie has something to promote, she’ll send Chrissy something (her book probably) and Chrissy will post it to her insta for free promo.

That’s how it works. Taylor did it with the cardigan sweaters. Beyoncé did it with the orange boxes. And so on.

But it was an insta story with text. Anyone on Karlies team could’ve arranged that pic and typed those words and posted it.

So we don’t actually know if that was Karlie or not. Could’ve been! Or maybe not!

Regardless, the reflection of two white umbrellas and some green bushes don’t prove shit.

And everyone with a brain knows it.

[thetaylorfiles]

I just watched that interview clip with Jack Antonoff where he talks about working with gay women. I’d never heard it as a Kaylor. And it’s so frustrating how even now I’m still primed to think everybody’s participating in a vast cover up to the point where my first instinct is to over analyze Jack’s tone of voice and response. I’m still struggling to get out of the place where I’m constantly doubting something I wouldn’t even think twice about otherwise. Sigh.

Oh no. Really? So you were a Kaylor and you’re having a hard time shifting? I’m so sorry.

Listen, I was you. I get it. I was where you were. Although I was never fully sold on every single tenet that Kaylor put forth, I still went about looking through Taylor’s music and media related to her through a lens of duplicity due to her being gay.

But if you give it time, it fades. The more you just let yourself be open to reality, the more that sticks with you.

And I don’t mean, tell yourself she’s with Joe. Tell yourself Kaylor isn’t real. Don’t do that. Literally just think to yourself, in any given scenario, “what is the most logical explanation for this, knowing what I know about Taylor based on what she’s said and written?” Or even “what’s the most logical explanation?”

And go from there.

That’s how I arrived here.

When this blog got popular, I was still thinking that Joe wasn’t a real boyfriend. The jury was out for me. I was still trying to reconcile with what Taylor’s sexuality was. Trying to leave room for the possibility that maybe she was bi and had had something with Karlie and one point and it was over.

And I had tons of anons challenging me in respectful ways for the most part. And that helped me. My own observations helped me. Just “what is the most reasonable explanation here?”

Like, for Jack A saying he liked working with gay artists. Is it more logical that he’s talking about Taylor and how much he likes working with women. And then he extrapolates to include gay women as he thinks about it more. Or is it more logical that he just subtly outed his dear friend who he knows is deeply closeted?

If you think the answer is the latter one, then think to yourself, well, if that’s true, then wouldn’t he backtrack a bit and explain that he meant ‘straight women like Taylor and gay women like _______ (insert the gay women he’s produced for).’ Because surely, if he just outed his friend at the top of her career he’d quickly try to minimize the damage, right?

The only other argument is that he was trying to send a message that she’s gay.

Then it’s time to ask yourself “why is he sending this message and to whom?”

That was what? 6 years ago? She clearly hasn’t come out so it wasn’t to “seed” anything. And I can promise you “seeding something” isn’t a term anyone uses except conspiracy theorists.

The only other answer is he was sending a message to Taylor’s gay fans who’ve figured out she’s gay.

But doesn’t THAT, in and of itself, make zero fucking sense? Why would anyone, let alone Jack Antonoff, send a message to random fans who think Taylor is gay (and/or with Karlie)? There is simply no logical reason for anyone to feed these fans. No reason to let them know they’re right. No reason to let them know that Kaylor is doing alright and still together or whatever message you want to insert there.

Either Taylor is closeted and hiding her sexuality. Or she is not.

And the default answer HAS TO BE that she is hiding her sexuality. So what logical explanation is there to ever give out clues and hints otherwise? To anyone?

There simply isn’t.

I know this is already very long. But just so this with any situation you find yourself second guessing. Follow the situation to its most LOGICAL conclusion. And if that takes you to a Kaylor answer more often than a Taylor is dating Joe/Karlie is married to Josh answer, then believe in Kaylor. But if it doesn’t, (and you’ll find that it won’t), then you’ll just start to see things as they are.

This isn’t about seeing it in a Kaylor or non Kaylor light. See it in a logical light and go from there.

And feel free to dm me anytime. 😘

[thetaylorfiles]

Sighs, gonna regret entering this conversation. But Kaylors critically read the article. Oscar didnt have a break out in America until 2015 and that was with Maroon 5. The article goes fourth to actually sort of detail a time line of artist he worked with till he worked with Taylor, which would have been a few years later if you follow all the work he details. And yes he also says, I just had a baby when I answered in my towel. Read the whole article.

Seriously?!? It details his career and it’s a linear timeline? Holy shit. There you go. Proof positive!!

If his break in the US was with Maroon 5 in 2015 and he was speaking about working with Taylor a few years later, while having just had a baby - HIS SON - then, problem solved!

It was written in 2017!!!

Thank you, dear anon!

[thetaylorfiles]

i do wonder if kaylors know how contradictory they sound in their arguments about joe. that karlie fits way more the definition of “pr” (thats widely and generally known) for the whole of 1989 era. (note: i do believe their friendship was real and they were extremely close, and that the entire era itself made anything normal not seem normal). karlie was papped so often with taylor, they’d interview about each other, do a vogue shoot, go to these high profile events, media appearances, trips (1)

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This is the most well thought out, most logical, most reasoned explanation -slash - argument against Kaylor I’ve ever seen.

Thank you so much for this. It’s extremely unbiased and objective. This is exactly what people need to read.

[thetaylorfiles]

What do you make of the public confirmation that "So it Goes..." was written in 2015, and therefore not about Joe. Which also implies that delicate and invisible string (all tied to the same bar in SIG) are not about Joe. Interesting, to say the least, don't you think?

Interesting? No. Not really. No once you take a few more steps to look into it on your own and not follow your cult leader.

Plus, it’s not exactly public confirmation, now is it? Public confirmation looks like this:

“Back in 2015, Max FaceTimed me with Taylor after I’d been up all night with my baby daughter”.

But that didn’t happen, did it? Kaylors are, once again, I dating a hell of a lot and then acting as if it’s fact. I’m yawning.

Instead, the Swedish producer simply said thats he’d just become a father and was up all night with a brand new baby.

The man has two children. You know that right?

And he speaks a different language than English. Quite often things get lost in translation, especially simple terms such as “I’d just become a father” which to us means a father for the first time. when he probably meant “we’d just had a baby” or “I’d become a just become a father (for the second time)” but neglected to include the second time part.

His son was born on September 12, 2017. Reputation was released on November 10, 2017.

REGARDLESS. You tell me which is more likely:

A Swedish man mixed up a turn of phrase.

Or he didn’t and Taylor Swift was cool with him letting the cat out of the bag and letting slip a HUGE secret that Taylor has been protecting for 6+ years — that she is having a secret lesbian love affair with a married supermodel who is being held against her will to a crime family AND Taylor’s worst enemy.

Which sounds more logical to you? Seriously. Please tell me which sounds more logical. I’d really love to hear your opinion.

Proof he had a son born right in the midst of Rep writing sessions:

instagram.com/p/BnoNTDSlNwq/

Now watch. This will become FACT in Kaylor lore. They won’t highlight the way it was said. Soon they’ll bury what was said and just talk as if he publicly confirmed it, like you stated anon. And the new Kaylors that come on board after you guys ship out because you’re sick of waiting will simply take this as one more item of “proof”.

That’s how this shit works. I’ve watched it for nearly 6 years now.

[thetaylorfiles]

Do they honestly think that Taylor’s team stalks their blogs so she says “Taylor and Joe are gonna have a baby” to throw them off? Kaylors aint shit and never will be. Superiority complex 💯

Isn’t it amazing how self involved TTB is?

Because that’s not all Kaylors. That’s just TTB. She thinks: hey are so aware and up on her blog that:

1. If she “spills tea” that could change Kaylors coming out plans or breaking up/divorce plans.

2. Theyre so worried about them thinking they know about a Joshlie divorce that Tree must somehow counteract that with media news of Joe and at having kids.

Which makes no sense anyway.

3. Theyre so appreciative of her blog and all her support that they send clues via clothing and Instagram to let them know that their secret lesbian love is doing fine, despite all appearances to the contrary.

[thetaylorfiles]

SB has sunset clauses. Taylor isn't the almighty and can't just get Karlie out of contracts and obligations. However, it is also believed that Karlie is no longer managed by him. So, perhaps... Taylor is extracting her after all. Hmm. 🤷‍♀️🤔

No, I don’t think Taylorbis the almighty who can do anything. You’re right.

But tell me, if that were the case... if Karlie and Taykor were 6 year long girlfriends and Taylor hated Scooter and K knew it, DONT you think there would’ve been some attempts made to get her out of her contract?

I’m married to an attorney. So I know that hardly any contract is foolproof. And even if she couldn’t technically extract herself til let’s say, two years, due to a non compete or something that she couldn’t negotiate out of, would Karlie really have partied it up with Scoots and friends on the yacht?

No, of course she wouldn’t. Not if she didn’t want to hurt her longtime love Taylor.

But let’s pretend the impossible could happen and misogyny and fairytales are alive and well and Karlie is literally forced against her will to attend the yacht vacation. Do you think she’d pose for so many happy pictures while there with everyone? So that she’d be assured to show up on all the partygoers Instagram feeds dancing and laughing?

And the best yet, would she, herself, post those same partying/laughing, open mouthed smiles pics with her husband on Scooters yacht, while the love of her life sat at home, full of anger, resentment, agony and despair (you’ve heard Mad woman, the lakes, and MTR, so let’s not pretend it didn’t destroy Taylor)

Does that look like a woman who cares about Taylor Swifts feelings? Does that look like a woman who’s been in love with Taylor Swift for 6+ years and knows better than anybody how much Scooter has hurt her?

Because, anon, you’ve been nice and respectful. So I’m not saying this stuff to be an asshole. I am just responding with my thoughts. With my reasoning and logic.

And if you have counter reasons, I’d love to hear them. I genuinely would. Because I will listen to you with an open mind. I promise. We have differing viewpoints, but people on here have changed my mind before. So I promise if you’ve got logical counter arguments, you’ve got the floor and I’ve got an open mind.

** if any other Kaylors want to answer this - or rather, just tell me how you guys reconcile Karlie and Josh on Scooters yacht and these photos with your belief that Kaylor is together currently and fine and in love. This one is just so hard for me to understand.

And if you do that, I promise I’ll treat you with respect. As long as you do the same. Regardless of whether we agree or not, I’ll promise you respect if you give me the same.

It’s just that I genuinely don’t understand how this trip and photos go hand in hand with Taylor (and her Scooter hating- “fuck you forever” feelings). **

[thetaylorfiles]

Karlies close friends in St. Louis all followed josh and not Taylor. Karlie’s sisters unfollowed Taylor after the Nashville show. So, what is the reason that they don’t follow the love of karlies life. Joe’s friends has hang out with Taylor’s close friends and follows each other. Joe’s family and Taylor’s family has hang out together and even vacation together where as karlie’s family and friends hasn’t hang out with Taylor’s family and close friends. That says a lot to me

It’s says a lot to anyone who’s willing to deal with logic and reason.

I wish someone would ask this if TTB and that she would post it. I wonder what she’d say.