#elder tale

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Guess the anime.

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Hi! I don't know if you still look at this blog, but I'm working on some fanfic and had questions only you can answer!

First, the pastebin from LHFF has more info on Wen and the player cities than the wikia does, I assume it's more updated than the wikia but was hoping you could confirm?

Second, are there guns in Elder Tales? Flintlocks are very much associated with Pirates, so I would figure the pirate class would at least have a skill that lets them fire one or be able to use them in general.

Third and final question, Do you have a list of the expansions that have been mentioned? I only know Cendrillon's Legacy and Homesteading the Noosphere but I haven't found the name for the one that added ships and naval quests and stuff.

Hope you can answer any of these, and thanks in advance!

The reason why the wiki doesn't contain all the info on the pastebin is because I prefer the wiki to stick closer to "official" info. I know Mamare had a fairly laissez faire approach to Log Horizon canon and regularly accepted fans' ideas and characters, but a lot of early Log Horizon stuff was 4chan homebrew info that has no official basis. There's anything wrong with it in and of itself, but I didn't want to "canonize" it through the wiki when the actual state of other servers is largely left up to fans to imagine.

No guns in Elder Tale, that appears to be a hard rule that Mamare intended to stick by for the rest of the series. (Probably because he already went in that direction as a plot point for his previous series, Maoyuu.)

It's a bit roundabout (which is my fault), but they're listed on the wiki's Timeline page.

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Log Horizon (1/?): Favorite Character Shipping

“The villain strives for support through deception, while the hero lurks where no one understands.” -Hope-descends

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(Context) 

You know what? You’re absolutely correct.

A Wikipedia search tells me that Cotton-Eyed Joe (both song and the dances associated with it) dates all the way back before 1861. So both the song and the dance could legally be added to Elder Tale as long as the devs recorded their own version of the song.

Furthermore, Elder Tale released its beta in 1998, 4 years after the popular Rednex cover/remix of Cotton-Eyed Joe came out. It’s still a rather popular song to play at things like middle school dances (at least where I lived in the U.S.), so it could definitely be something the ET devs added.

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Log Horizon HP/MP Chart (Revised)

I’ve made a revised version of Mamare’s HP/MP chart to account for the differences from Mamare’s class references. That said, while comparing the chart to characters with known HP/MP values, it seems like Mamare and the anime team followed the chart more closely than the class references’ ballparks.

So while this chart is “more accurate” to the class references, it’s also equally likely that the class references are outdated and inaccurate.

In complete honesty, I’m not sure which route to take for the wiki. Based on known character HP/MP, the chart is more correct, but then that would clash with Mamare’s notes and the JP wiki (which uses what Mamare’s notes said), which more people refer to.

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Fortnite anon here (because that's just who I am now) Seeing as most of the MMO's I've played had options to do dances/emotes, if Elder Tale had those kinds of commands and it passed over during the catastrophe, could you hypothetically use it to force yourself to dance?

In terms of canon, it most likely was among the features that disappeared immediately after being brought over into the new world, much like text chat and mini-maps.

Speaking hypothetically, however, I still think it wouldn’t “force” you dance. Much like how the Tailor subclass simply has you perform the action of sewing (to varying degrees of success, as evident by Minori’s bandaged fingers from pricking herself), it would likely just “relay the dance moves” into your head to perform the action.

In fact, in volume 3, that’s exactly what Henrietta uses to teach Shiroe how to dance on the ballroom floor. We’re not detailed on what exactly she does (as the story segment is told from Shiroe’s POV, and he’s not a Bard), but it seems that Bards have the ability to “project” music notes and dance steps. Even then, the text explicitly states Henrietta didn’t force him into the steps, and he eventually got the hang of them on his own. He likens it to a rhythm game, so that’s probably what a dance/emote function would have acted like if it had been imported to the new world.

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Thought for the night, brought on by rikkamaru’s question about Lander classes:

It’s known that Landers have less detailed profiles. In S1 episode 10, it is seen when some are seen bowing down to the Eastal League’s procession into Akiba; the only thing that shows up for their status screen is the fact that they’re a Lander, and an HP gauge.

Which leads me to wonder two things: 1) Why is it that some Landers have detailed statuses while others do not, and 2) How exactly do “unique” classes work?

In regards to the Ten Seats’ Lander members having detailed status screens, I dug up some while ago from Mamare’s notes that Plant Hwyaden developed the “Menu Cheat” to add or change features in the game menu, though it can’t add features that no longer exist like the mini-map. This could go to explain why their members have detailed menus.

However, even then, Rudy and Elias were depicted with detailed statuses and they aren’t associated with PH at all. Originally, it could be argued that Rudy’s was made up in the anime to throw people off from the reveal (of course, it could still be that reason), but then it should also be noted that we never get a look at Rayneshia or Li Gan’s profiles.

This might indicate that Landers who train to a certain level of combat proficiency will be able to acquire detailed status screens with special UI to match. (Li Gan admits to being proficient enough in combat magic to be able to take on Lander knights, but as it is neither his specialty nor interest, his class is a rather passive Lore Master with no known unique icon.)

We see that Mizufa (Warlord), Elias (Blademancer), and Jered Gan (Archmage) have unique icons and colors for their classes. What’s more, their icons take elements from existing classes’: Mizufa’s uses the shield from Guardian, Elias’ uses the Sorcerer’s staff, and Jered’s uses a variation of the Enchanter’s eye. While Mizufa’s UI color is blue, which is not used in any other class’ color scheme, Elias’ is in line with both the Warrior and Mage classes. Jered’s, however, is interesting -- despite using the Enchanter’s eye, the color scheme is purple, closer to the Healer classes’ colors rather than the dark green of the Mage classes.

It seems that they have an “evolved” version of the Adventurer classes, so to speak. Classes that go beyond the rigid lines of the “god-given” presets that Adventurers have to adhere to. Given how I mentioned in rikka’s ask that Landers need to actually train to acquire their classes, it’s possible that they are capable of “creating” new class-combinations that can eventually be “accepted” by the world laws as a valid Lander class.

Given that the four Landers we know of with traditional Adventurer classes are all relatively young, it’s possible that given time, they too could “obtain” unique classes. It’s comparable to the Overskills/Mysteries that the Adventurers develop, just a tad more unknowns since up to this point, it’s been indicated that Landers don’t wholly have free thought (re: unable to discover real flavor or develop more than 42 songs).

Assuming this is true, though, this may further explain why the Genius gunned for the Ancients first: the more experienced, powerful ones among them probably had unique classes like Elias’ and thus had more unknowns for them to deal with. Sealing them away would narrow the scope of their trouble to Adventurers, who have a fixed set of classes and skills to work with. Which is, then, logically why Overskills are crucial to defeating them.

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Do we know anything about the Atelier Armadillo guild that Shiroe helped and in return gifted him that color-changing ink pot?

The only thing I could find about them is that they’re the only painter’s guild in Akiba. As a fun little note, their Japanese name is アトリエ・あるまじろ. “Atelier” is written in katakana, but “Armadillo” is in hiragana.

Coincidentally, there’s a real-life music group that goes by the same exact name.