#false doctrine

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A systems theory on LDS leadership and how personal psychology scales into doctrine

I’ve been trying to understand why the LDS Church feels so different from the one older generations grew up in. Not just doctrinally, but in how it relates to people and how authority is exercised. This is a systems explanation that started making sense to me once I stopped looking at individual decisions and started looking at patterns.

At a certain point, the same dynamics keep repeating.

What I keep coming back to is how personal psychology, delayed authority, and centralized power interact in a church that treats leadership decisions as revelation.

Spencer W. Kimball

Spencer W. Kimball was not far removed from polygamy. He was the grandson of Heber C. Kimball, lived in Arizona near post Manifesto polygamist communities, and came into leadership surrounded by men who still believed Doctrine and Covenants 132 meant plural marriage, not symbolic eternal sealing.

He also lived through the Richard R. Lyman excommunication from inside the Quorum. That mattered. Sexual theology wasn’t abstract for him. It had already destroyed an apostle.

When Kimball talked about sexuality, especially within marriage, it was almost always framed as duty rather than desire. There was no real attempt to integrate eros into holiness. Instead, sex became something dangerous that had to be tightly controlled. That mindset shows up clearly in The Miracle of Forgiveness and in the 1982 First Presidency letter that intruded directly into marital intimacy.

What stands out to me is that not all of his peers agreed with this approach. Hugh B. Brown explicitly said the Church does not involve itself in the bedrooms of its members. That tells us Kimball’s views weren’t inevitable or universal.

The Church later walked back the 1982 letter, quietly stopped promoting The Miracle of Forgiveness, and abandoned some of the most damaging purity based rhetoric Kimball had normalized. That’s the point where it stopped feeling like “just the era” to me. When an institution quietly retreats from a framework it once enforced, it’s usually because harm became impossible to ignore.

Russell M. Nelson

Russell M. Nelson shows a different version of the same structural problem.

As a junior apostle, he gave a General Conference talk criticizing the use of the word Mormon. In the very next session, Gordon B. Hinckley publicly corrected him. That kind of correction is rare in LDS leadership culture, especially in that setting.

The disagreement was public, unresolved, and then simply shut down. There was no space for it to be worked through. It just sat there.

Decades later, once Nelson became president, the exact same position returned, unchanged, but now framed as revelation. Mormon was suddenly a victory for Satan. Along with that came a presidency marked by sharp reversals, heavy personal branding, unprecedented temple announcements, and a tendency to moralize past member obedience without acknowledging institutional responsibility.

I don’t think this requires assuming revenge or pettiness. It makes sense if you understand how a delayed power hierarchy works. In a system where disagreement cannot be resolved and authority eventually becomes unilateral, suppressed preferences don’t disappear. They wait.

Dallin H. Oaks

Dallin H. Oaks is the most troubling example for me.

As BYU president, he presided over an institution that engaged in aversive conditioning and electroshock therapy on gay students. That this happened is not really disputed. What is disputed is administrative knowledge and moral accountability.

Oaks has consistently denied awareness or responsibility, even as documentation and scholarship suggest the issue was known at an institutional level. What makes this worse is that denial has been paired with continued opposition to LGBTQ inclusion and with the disciplining or excommunication of those who publicly refuse to support him.

This is where the idea of consent falls apart for me. The Church claims moral authority while withholding transparency, denying harm, and punishing dissent. That isn’t informed consent. It’s coercive authority.

The pattern

These are three very different men, but the same mechanism keeps showing up.

In a centralized, gerontocratic system where authority is delayed for decades, personal psychology doesn’t get checked. It gets sanctified.

Kimball’s sexual alienation became shame based doctrine. Nelson’s unresolved disagreement became revelation framed reversal. Oaks’s institutional denial became loyalty enforced over moral repair.

Each time, God’s will is claimed, members absorb the cost, corrections happen quietly if they happen at all, and accountability never flows upward.

Why this matters now

The Church today still asks for enormous levels of time, loyalty, obedience, and money. But it provides less local community, less transparency, and less return on that investment than it once did. At the same time, it centralizes authority, dilutes the distinctiveness that once gave people identity, and reframes late social adaptation as revelation.

Millennials and Gen Z aren’t leaving because they’re offended. They’re leaving because the numbers don’t add up anymore.

My conclusion

I can’t believe an institution that repeatedly sanctifies personal and institutional failure, suppresses dissent rather than addressing harm, retroactively moralizes obedience, and demands loyalty without accountability is being led by God.

That conclusion didn’t come from anger. It came from watching the same pattern repeat and finally admitting to myself that it isn’t accidental.

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False Doctrine

Sideways and backwards

doctrine missing the true mark

off target arrows

the enemy just laughs at

as we find ourselves helpless.

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D W Eldred

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Bible Study - Beware Of False Teachers!

[merthwyn]

Worst thing about Calvinism in your opinion?

Thank you for asking. Although hard to choose, I think predestination is the worst. The more I learn about it, the more I tend to believe it's demonic.

Up until recently I thought predestination was about certain people going to hell and certain people going to heaven, not because of free will but because God decided who goes where before they were even born. And this happens because He is God and He owns so he does whatever He wants with us. This is highly problematic already.

However, it was only this month when I realised that Calvinists believe that ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING is predestined. All evil that's happening in the world is predestined. If a child is raped then it's because God planned the rape for some greater purpose. And if you believe this is wrong you actually claim that God does things without any purpose.

I originally thought I misunderstood them. But no, this is what people like John Piper and James White believe. And it's hard for me to not believe they are right because my own life struggles proves them right. I think I told you before what I ended up believing. I'm predestined to be God's punching bag, to be abused, rejected and so on because there's some purpose in all this and somehow His name will be glorified. If I get raped or my future children get molested or my husband leaves me or gets killed I will have to accept it because this is God's plan. It's not that God is unable to stop this. It's all about whether He is willing to do so, if these serve His plans or not. This is what Calvinists like those I mentioned believe.

If you want to hear more about all these, go listen to Leighton Flowers and Sam Shamoun. I recently discovered them and, in case you don't know them already, they are both former Calvinists who more or less expose the "dark side" of Calvinism (I don't know if there's a bright side but anyway). I listened to this video today which describes more or less what I mentioned above. There's even an abstract of a former Calvinist's testimony who is now an atheist because of Calvinism.

What are your thoughts on it?

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It's wild seeing videos of "modest" styles and seeing some influencer put together an outfit that cost thousands of dollars.

That's not modest. It just covers your body. The wealth on display is pretty gratuitous.

I hate that modern religion has rebranded modesty to mean how much titty can be shown and not "be mindful that your displays of wealth don't cause people to covet the material when they're supposed to be meditating on the eternal."

It's actually disgusting that modesty is used to brow beat women for men's behavior. Especially since modesty was created for the most noble purpose of all-

shaming the rich.