#forcemasc discourse

[sapphic-boy]

One thing i wish i could say to every transfem who holds transandrophobic views is that their experiences with masculinity vs femininity is not universal, testosterone is not poison just because it did things you didnt want, masculinity is not "the default" or "rewarded" just because it was forced on you and rewarded when you adhered to it, forcemasc isnt "unnecessary" because masculinity was expected of you in the past, I have sympathy for you but I need you to understand that for some people masculinity is freedom and performing femininity feels oppressive, just like how femininity feels freeing for you and masculinity feels wrong, and you need to stop projecting your trauma onto transmascs

[forcemascpropaganda]

https://www.tumblr.com/komsomolka/818255425536458752

The Forcemasc debate is still alive and well

Uh

I took the time to wrote a point by point answer to the argument being made in the post linked. But after reflection, I don't want to answer it. Having a public debate by answering asks is not something I want to do.

For the trans women debating on the validity of forcemasc : if it's not for you, you don't need to interact with it and we don't need your approval.

Since when does a kink need to be revolutionnary ?

That being said, if you can't see the value of a kink culture celebrating a transition path, well it's perhaps because you don't see value in this path at all.

Forcemasc is only a mirror of forcefem in its name, it doesn't have the same history and doesn't play on the "reverse" dynamic.

If there is discours and analysis to be made about forcemasc, we're able to do it ourselves. Thank you for your interest, but it's not wanted.

[nixisverytired]

I can't take the whole discourse around people going "forcefem is better than forcemasc because it's subversive! People who like forced masculinization are just STEALING from forcefem!" seriously because of these 4 points:

1. Forcefem started with cis men who enjoy being feminized as a form of humiliation, and they make up the majority of practitioners today. Yes, it's also really important to the transfem kink community and it brings many people gender euphoria, so that's great! But... you really can't steal a kink. There's no kink plagiarism. You're not getting kicked out of Kink University for enjoying similar themes.

2. It's not your business what other trans adults do in the bedroom/kink spaces. What causes dysphoria for you might make someone else euphoric. Don't yuck my yum or whatever. Just block the tag if you don't like it, we're all grownups here. I have both tags blocked bc they make me dysphoric, but you don't see me throwing a tantrum about it.

3. Imagine doing this with any other kink.

"Spanking is better than waxplay because it's subversive! You candle-lovers are doing painplay all wrong!"

"Bondage with handcuffs is way better than bondage with ropes, because when you use handcuffs you're RECLAIMING that from cops! Rope bunnies are just coping because their kink doesn't mean anything!"

4. The people who spend all their time arguing online about kink discourse probably aren't getting laid anyway.

So it's really not as pertinent to their lives as they think it is.

[boargrill]

the whole forcemasc discourse mess is actually kinda funny because i pretty much independently came up with soft forcemasc ages ago and it was one of the things that led to me becoming a man

basically along the way of exploring my vore kink i wanted to come up with some OCs, because interacting directly as myself felt weird for some reason. One day I doodled this chubby princess, tied up for an offscreen dragon to enjoy. I really liked that drawing and so the character got a name and a story. The exact details were up in the air but the general idea was that the dragon came in possession of the princess somehow, and they ended up in a roommate situation together. the princess being in constant danger of being eaten but continuing to be elegant and princesslike, acting ignorant but maybe secretly enjoying the thrill and the break from her usual life. I drew a dragon too, and I could only draw girls at the time so i also made her a girl. I drew them both in suggestive situations, dragon carrying the princess around, showing her off to other monsters, princess offering herself as food, and so on.

Anyway at some point i decided to do a genderswap, you know, to test out my limits a bit. and uh. hm. okay, is it because i've never drawn a boy i liked before, or is there just something compelling about turning this princess into a prince?

So i kept drawing it. And the story split into AUs - the original princess one, a new prince one, and another where the princess turned into a prince. I wouldn't have called it that, since there was no actual force involved, but that was basically what you'd call soft forcemasc. It was the "princess" taking advantage of the new situation to try new things. Cutting hair, trying out new clothes and a new name. The princesslike attitude slowly falling away as repressed shit came to the surface next to a person he had no reason to perform for.

The dragon changed a bit too, swapping genders along with his partner and becoming a little less alpha dom and a little more of a mess. He was still mostly interested in eating his new catch, but also easy to distract and rope into random sidequests, and he was especially open to the prince's gender exploration. Not actively pushing him either way but definitely being an enabler for all his newly freed impulses. And at the same time, slowly falling in love with the emerging person he helped the prince to be.

I thought about it a lot. I plotted out a potential webcomic. I think it was something I really needed at the time, this fantasy of an escape to a place where the judgement and the constant need to act right were gone and I could let all the bits of myself i'd been suffocating finally breathe. I didn't want anyone to force me into it, that's still something of a turnoff for me, ykinmk, but I wanted someone who'd be along for the ride and who might even see in that potential new self the same thing I did.

Here's some six year old doodles of them, their names are Lev and Elliot and I love them

[vshouse]

I iust want to enjoy a kink. Why is my forcemasc tag have so many other trans women telling me I'm not praxis enough for it. What? It's a kink?? Also masculinity absolutely can be humiliation related? Are any of you listening to trans women who like the kink??? I don't like to post about forcemasc on here because its a personal kink but I can't even scroll the tags without someone putting political commentary about how trans men are appropriating the forcefem Kink I don't even have. Shut up already and just let people jack off!!

[orange-dreamzer]

forcefem and forcemasc are both weird and strange to me. You can't force fictional characters to be anything they're not real and you shouldn't be forcing real people to be something regardless of how good you might think you're being. goodbye