#hi3 lore

[phoenix-is-the-hottest-thing]

Hoyo ruled on Mei topping???

[espritradieux]

Trying to pay attention to and play part 2 has caused a lot of negative feelings for me from general disinterest to mild-to-moderate emotional distress and I am thus woefully uneducated on everything post Coralie becoming a dragon? I think? So could I trouble my fellow captains to ask for a rundown of what the hell has been happening over there?

[butterflies-and-mirrors]

Can never get over the fact that in a game with dragons named Benaras and Kurikara and enemies with other cool names the final boss is a guy called Kevin

[godisasimp]

Only the Molotov sisters comment on Kevin Honkai Active form, the two characters that weren't on the moon but have honkai beast in them.

Interesting...

Interesting

[tunaafishyy]

Reasons why you should read Durandal's Visual Novel for Hoyoverse Lore even if you don't play Honkai

Disclaimer: this is not an in-depth summary of the story.

Rather, this post will go through a single conversation to show people the depth of lore hidden in Durandel's VN… and maybe convince you to consider reading it if you want to expand ideas for Hoyo lore.

Since I'm not going to be covering the story here, there will be events and things referenced that I won't be giving anything but a brief explanation of, but even without knowing all the details... I think the lore will speak for itself

I guess the most important thing to know before reading is that two people (Valkyries) from the Honkai Impact 3rd world - Durandal (Bianka) and Rita - have used a device called a Genius to travel to a new world… universe… thing ... which we will simply refer to as a world for the context of this post...

Onward!

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First, it mentions how there are different versions of people across different worlds. Not super mind blowing if you’re familiar with hoyo lore… but good to cover the basics of the hoyo multi-verse lore.

Bianka: Uh… can I ask a question now? Darwin: Go ahead. What’s the matter? Bianka: Just now… you said your last name was Darwin, right? It wouldn’t be the one from “Origin of the Species”… Darwin: Oh, you mean my dad? Indeed, before I left that world he was planning on writing such a book. Darwin: I’m happy to learn that his book changed people’s worldview for the following century. Bianka: Oh… you’re his “daughter”? Bianka: But in that case, wouldn’t the “Origin of the Species” you read be the work from a different world’s Professor Charles? Darwin: Nope. As far as I’m aware, from all known worlds, there is only one Darwin who published “Origin of the Species”, married and had children, who is my father.

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Then we revisit an earlier event in the story where the High Priestess is converted into data in the Sea of Quanta (and its not a good experience for her I can tell you that...). This part of the story (the Zarathustra portion) is so incredibly lore heavy... and the fact Zarathustra connects to Genshin, Honkai, and Star Rail....

Anyways, what should be focused on here (aside from the Sea of Quanta data portion) is the acknowledgement of Different Universes

Bianka: Huh? Bianka: Then just like the “High Priestess” of the Yucatan, you spent so long in the form of data in the Sea of Quanta that it resulted in an apparent time leap? Darwin: …It’s essentially different. Bianka: But… in your case we can’t use “Different Universes have different starting points and different flows of time” as an excuse! Darwin: Because that’s not the case. And I’m not immortal like the “snake” you met.

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But then things get REALLY SUPER INTERESTING because now we're talking about people who are copies of others.... (Theory of Forms intensifies), but also... it covers the results of death and how these copies are a result of the world's structure

(The term Star Whisperer is also an important concept but that is also out of scope for this junk post)

(Edit from original post: the Ether Anchor is kind of like the core/backbone of the world…)

Darwin: The reason why there is a time contradiction in what I said is-- Darwin: I’m a Star Whisperer born from the death of someone. A mere copy. Bianka: “Born from death”? “Copy”? What are you talking about? Darwin: The real “Anna Charles Darwin” died of illness at the age of 10. Darwin: The one standing in front of you is just an afterimage inherited from the Sea of Quanta. Bianka: ……？！ Darwin: Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying I’m a ghost or a spirit. This is just the result of applying the Ether Anchor’s ability of “copying the world” on “people”.

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Theeeeeennn we start talking energy shenanigans.... Selene designed to put Honkai Energy under control to use it for creating new Negentropy....

(I'm going to stop highlighting things at this point I trust if you've read this far that you want to find the goodies and I don't need to convince you further)

Darwin: Be it the achievements of civilization or intelligent life, they are ultimately an amount of “Negentropy”. You can use the “Ether Anchor” as a “medium” to “balance” the "Negentropy". Schrodinger: …And Negentropy and Imaginary Energy - That is, Honkai Energy - are associated with each other. Schrodinger: In theory, we could indeed do the opposite: Use Honkai Energy under control to create new Negentropy. Schrodinger: -That is the basic principle behind the “Selene”. Darwin: Haha, as expected of Dr. Schrodinger, who proposed the theory behind Negentropy - You already seem to understand what I’m talking about. Bianka: Well, what are you talking about? Schrodinger: ……

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Our next topic is energy manipulation to copy things out of thing air.... (*looks at teapot and puts adepti energy into super sus category*)

Additionally, the Ether Anchor (the "backbone" of the world they're in) is "salvaging info from the sea of quanta"... hm...

Schrodinger: Valkyries, do you know the power of the “First Herrscher”? Bianka: You mean the “Sovereign” of Anti-Entropy? He can copy all kinds of mechanical devices, Sacred Relics and even Divine Keys out of thin air, right? Schrodinger: A good summary, but if we’re being technical… he doesn’t make those copies out of “thin air”. Schrodinger: On the contrary: By manipulating the Honkai Energy stored in his body he creates reason, making constructs out of something similar to “Negentropy”. Schrodinger: Generally speaking, Honkai Energy is almost impossible to control - but he is a herrscher, a superpower beyond human comprehension. Schrodinger: Miss Darwin… Your “Ether Anchor” has a similar power, but you can’t manipulate it as you wish, correct? Darwin: Hmm… To be more precise, the “Ether Anchor Point” can’t be controlled at all. Darwin: It, by itself, is “salvaging” information that can be restored from the Sea of Quanta - An ocean of data.

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This next portion is covering why the two characters from the Honkai world are able to appear in this world as themselves instead of as copies

Darwin: Those two Valkyries there must have gone through the experience of being informatized and later rematerialized. Darwin: - That is a specially targeted “salvage”. Darwin: This type of “salvage” is always happening in the “present continuous”, therefore their souls and consciousness also remain the same - Even if they show up on the other side of the world, they are still themselves. Darwin: But the information of “Anna Charles Darwin” is already “past perfect”, the Ether Anchor just happened to read this vanishing data from the Sea of Quanta and restore it. Darwin: …That’s why I can be sure I’m just a copy of a historical figure. Darwin: Perhaps there is a more complex mechanism out there that can truly revive the dead - But this world’s “Anchor” can not.

Anyways... that's all for now!

Read the VN!! (it’s available in CN and EN… not sure about other languages)

There's collective consciousness, Alice, Zarathustra, snake-y things, people turning into dragons... and much more!

*swims away*

[busghost]

Hi! Happy new year! Can you please help me understand what happened with the main trio now becoming different herrschers?

I was gonna wait until all three were reached on Global, but I'll just do the two we've got now and then reblog for Kiana.

Bronya is an interesting one because if we go off of what the CN name is, she's not a different Herrscher. She's unlocked the true potential of the Herrscher of Reason (more on the localization later). How? Essentially, the past Herrschers of Reason have been caught up in legacy holding onto the past. Welt Joyce and the 300,000 souls he saved in Berlin were the power Welt Yang and Bronya relied upon. But in order to reach the future she wants, she needs more, so she relies on herself and her own hopes and dreams and friends instead of the legacy passed down and she overcomes all previous Herrschers of Reason. It doesn't mean she's forgetting the past but she's moving past it unlike what the Herrscher of Reason has been able to do before.

Essentially, instead of having the past define her as the Herrscher of Reason, she is going to fight for what she believes in as Herrscher of Reason.

In Mandarin, her battlesuit isn't necessarily called Herrscher of Truth but could be True Herrscher of Reason. Marisa has a yt short about it I'll link here

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Mei's new Herrscher powers are basically out of nowhere just because the story needs to happen and you can tell the writers were making these decisions instead of the characters.

After confronting and killing her stigma personality (again), Mei escapes the Project Stigma dream (again) and Ai Hyperion Λ hands her a portal to the powers of Origin.

She has a "test of character" which is basically, Question: "are you going to do the most protagonist-y thing?" And Mei says yes.

And then she goes "Wow I love everyone just like Elysia did! I wanna see Elysia again!"

The rest of the time is entirely focused on Elysia instead of Mei so it doesn't matter, she got the powers once she passed that "test" the new outfit was just a bonus. Not that we even know what powers the authority of Origin actually has.

If you can't tell, I hate how they handled this. It's the polar opposite of Bronya defining herself with HoTr or Mei's convictions with HoT. She's just Elysia Mei loves everyone because the writers say she does. Where did that character development happen? It didn't because she has been constantly shoved aside for Elysia.

I'll come back when we see how Kiana gets the authority of Finality to explain that.

[phoenix-is-the-hottest-thing]

Do you have photo's of Vita's Eyes of Bodhi? Theyre so different yet so so awesome too, I unfortunately can't get it myself since my device can't handle it- and her eyes are too niche to be mentioned or seen elsewhere, so I'm wondering if you have all variations of her EoB

Sorry I took so long to reply anon,

Got em right here from the new chapter.

Bonus, from when she activates them:

It's just on her right eye. Fun god stuff!

[phoenix-is-the-hottest-thing]

Puns and Vita

Remember how Vita names everything"Vita"?

Herself? Vita. (薇塔)

Siblings? Vita too.

Need a cute nickname? Hiding her identity? Little Vi. (小薇)

Herrscher deserves a more positive and wholesome title? Herrscher of Death and Vita.

Vita is written phonetically as 薇塔 but Vita means life (生). Herrscher of Death is 死之律者, Herrscher of Rebirth is 死生之律者, she just sneakily added "Vita" to Herrscher of Death!

So I was wondering where Vita got the name for the in-between place in Phosphorus from. I can't remember what the official translation was for it (was it Fairy Road?) but it just felt really random.

But today my friend Chibi pointed it out to me...

These are the same word! Instead of herself, she named it after her nickname for Seele!

By the way, the "elf" in "Miss Pink Elf" is 妖精, not 精灵. They both mean fairy but seem to have very different connotations.

According to my dictionary, Seele's 精灵 is spirit / fairy / elf / sprite / genie, basically a word for a magical creature but as an adjective it can also be used to mean "clever", especially for a child.

Meanwhile "妖精" is more of an evil spirit / demon / seductress /siren. It gets translated as "evil spirit / alluring woman" (lol) or a witch's familiar.

Both are used for "fairy", but Seele's has more positive, childlike connotations (makes sense since her story's all about a fairy tale!) while Elysia's a blink away from being called a succubus.