#isee

[worldbearingdeliverance]

ok whatever enroute isee whatever the fuck your name is, for a guy being "dragged to places that dont want him" he sure wants to make everyones life hell go fuck yourself asat pramadeurysm (hear me out though)

[theunknowncreatureringsthebell]

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[nathallly]

Yo after 4.3 and reading isee’s relic set, i got alot of thoughts (this gon be a long one get ready to test that attension span)

Spoiler barrier for 4.3 and the relic set itself

I wont post the relic story/descriptions on here please please please read them yourselves.

We learn alot of about isee this patch and rip elio = isee truthers.

So like the summary of asat pramad backstory is like enroute ( technically his og name ) was a masked fool that grew bored of the traven and went where he could find “world’s end” and where he was uninvited, The Astral Express (AE) . Navigator's Everstride Boots basically confirms this for us. Thus Enroute became Isse. We also get alot of characterization for isee in that relic, alot of us thought isee was this aloof and mysterious personality but nah he was a literal comedian and jester for the AE 💀

The relic set basically tells the story of isee, basically was an uninvited member of the astral express then became an actual nameless. He grew dissatisfied with the worlds that they saved as after they aided them they all fell into chasing elation/desires. (I interprete) but he still held onto hope and continued to aid countless world while still questioning akivili. But then he witnessed the fall of akivili and on a tangent, damn akivili the rizzer of the universe, anyways. He lost all faith in the “world ends” and as I quote from isee himself “Turns out THEY didn't have the answer either. Turns out this path leads to a dead end. What a sick joke. Absolutely sick!”.

After that he continued being a nameless but since dolly was crystallizing, he had picked up the mantle as the navigator. But this was during a time where the AE was in chaos as this was after akivili fell. He basically made a cut-throat death “game” to enfore order in the AE even to the point where only two people were on the AE (most likely isee himself and pom-pom) (I’ll get to pom-pom later). But he did make the AE more peaceful and united so props to isee ig. After an unknown period, he stepped off the AE for some reason. Then he witnessed to rise of nanook on Adlivun see: Navigators Deep Space Mirror. He I think already officially retired by then (?) unsure.

Then somewhere after this he gave the voracity shadow to a young ashveil. Then he became asat pramand we see today.

Also one thing: Isee most likely had a humaniod head - The relic set mentioned that he could drink so it implies he had a mouth and also when akivili fell he literally felt bile in his throat so he had a throat. And his eyes are also stated as he had to wipe away tears when akivili fell and iont think he would be able to use a spyglass/telescope without eyes twin. So yea isee most likely ahd a humaniod head, so what in dick happen between then and now. How did his head become a hand. Did nanook gift that too? Came with the lord ravager gift package?

Onto the more speculative/theory stuff:

I wanna yap about pom-pom as said above. That little creature is so mysterious. One thing that is stated is : pom-pom was most likely around when akivili was a passenger (and so was isee but I’ll get to that). Pom-pom expresses that they miss the previous passengers and even akivili THEMSELVES. But interestingly, pom-pom can only remember up to when imaginae himeko fixed the train after it crash landed on planarcadia a long time ago during the invasion of the demon lord(asat). We dont have an answer for that yet tho nor do I have a single idea why. Another evidence for pom-pom being old asf is when asat as ryusuke compliments pom-pom on their fur and seems VERY friendly with pom. And asat even states that that was a “slip up” on his end. So most likely, pom pom was still the conductor of the AE when isee was a passenger/navigator. So the two people on that train during the “games” isee played was most likely only pom pom and himself. And isee was proven to be a passenger when akivili was still on the AE. Also literally sleepless night.

This leads me to my main thought/theory:

Asat Pramad/Isee is not Aha Themselves But He represents Aha/ is refered to by Aha.

The asat = Aha debate is still going on and imma give my two cents about it.

I do argee he is refered to as aha, his voice/body represents aha in the Anti-destruction alliance video, Kafka’s warning of “dont lose to ‘Aha’” to SW etc etc. But after learning about Asat being Isee and Enroute in the past, him actually being Aha is kinda a paradox cuz Enroute was a masked fool, how the hell would he be a masked fool if Aha didnt exist then? (I mean technically stuff like that has happened b4 so maybe?)

Also isee does kinda represent Aha, being the comedian jokester of the AE cuz masked fool while on the train and actually being very attached to akivili THEMSELVES as he even mourned akivili, not being able to laugh at his own joke after THEIR fall. Isee must’ve also been close enough with akivili that he could question them pretty regularly. Akivili is also shown to be very close to the AE in sleepless night as akivili allowed THEMSELVES to be scolded by pom pom, jokingly calling THEMSELVES “the worst nameless ever” when pom pom listed out all the shite akivili pulled off. So yea Isee is kinda representative of Aha in that way.

But no one really be talking about this piece of evidence of aha/isee. The Nameless Aha's Debt Statement, specifically these entries:

Leviathan Tooth (Qty: 2) - this can be both the actual Aha or Enroute/isee as both have beef with the voracity

Fines levied by the Cosmic Paleontological Conservation Association regarding gastric ulcers in a void song whale, induced by an unauthorized expedition within the creature's stomach - this can be aha but it leans towards isee/enroute more cuz the mf literaly tells the story how he fell into the maw of voracity and he somehow got out by chucking a sun with his buddies into the maw.

Accrued multiple outstanding tabs at "World's End" in the capacity of a Nameless - this is the most interesting one because if the “World’s End” refers to the traven, Aha’s bitchass is banned form there, yea you can say THEY used the nameless name to bypass the ban but thats very unlikely as the masked fools are actually quite competent at recognizing a person even Aha THEMSELVES. This is more likely that it is Enroute/Isee because that man was at that traven for only Nous knows how long and he also wished to see the real “Worlds End”

Half an Astral Express - this is where it gets bullshit, Aha was confirmed to be the one who blew up the goddamn express when THEY were on the express for one year by THEIR dialogue in the Simulated Universe (SU) and sleepless night. This cannot be isee, isee was on the AE for SO MUCH LONGER. And the SU is wayy to accurate to discredit. This must be Aha.

Debtor: Aha

This scrawled signature looks sketchy no matter how you look at it. Is this really from Aha THEMSELF? - This is where the doubt stems from, it is questioned if this is the actual Aha who did all these things

So who does Aha refer to in this readable?

It somehow is the actual aha but it cant be the actual aha. The worlds end traven thing with the blowing up of half of the express directly contradicts eachother. Aha cannot be in the traven but Aha was confirmed to be the one to blow up the AE.

My explanation is: Pom pom is mixing up the nameless Aha of one year AND Isee. Alot of things points to isee and we know he played alot of pranks while on the AE. But the last point must definitely be Aha. (unless isee was just feeling extra masked fool like that day and wanted to bomb the AE) (I mean the masked fools do have a thing for blowing up shit see: sparkle in penacony and sampo too in his ult). But what prompts me to make this claim is that Pom pom gives this to the TB in the present day. That was probably written a long long time ago but that doesnt mean this is fully correct. Pom pom literally states that they cant remember much before himeko repaired the train so I dont think its unlikely that pom pom in their long long ass existence may blend the real nameless Aha with Isee who acted very similarly due to his nature as a masked fool. But this all proves my main theory: isee/enroute is seen as or referred to by Aha just like asat is but is technically not actually Aha. (I also just wanted to analyze this readable lmao)

What does this tell us for the future (4.4)?

We might (Im hoping) get more lore about the AE and isee/asat in patch 4.4. I also want an explanation why pom pom can only remember until imaginae (not the real) himeko repaired the train. Or why asat destoryed/attacked the train when graphia was very young despite his actually really clear attachment to the AE and akivili. See: him as ryusuke being so lively and friendly in the AE, and his constant phrase of “Thank Akivili!” (The hoe’s still attached cmon its been amber eras)

This might also allude to how asat wants to destory the elation/aha. That is to fully awaken the voracity to consume elation and therefore “aftertaste” back. There can be something said that, after his (asat when enroute) own encounter with voracity, he lost his own elation stating “elation has been dead for a long time”. After he lost his own elation, he went to the AE and trailblaze, lost his belief in that too fully after akivili fell. Then Isee was ‘destoryed’ and became asat pramad, now one of the highest forms of destruction being a lord ravager. Im guessing asat is trying to make aha experience the same voracity experience as him for Aha to lose their elation. Because he knows, that one of the few ways to kill an aeon is to make them deviate form THEIR path. He has felt the loss of two paths himself, thats enough to prove that it can work, why not kill an aeon that same way?

So that he makes himself be a thematic parallel for Aha THEMSELVES.

Anyways Im just yapping and stupid so I might be wrong. (this took me so long to write)

[hsrmeta]

The connection between Dolly & Cyrene, Phainon & Isee (+ Elio)

With all of the recent buzz over the past few weeks regarding the appearance of Elio in the MAPPA x HSR movie trailer, and with the inclusion of my own theories in the Isee = Elio debacle, I've recently stumbled upon some incredibly interesting connections that may add weight to this beyond what we already know.

Ultimately, this is intended as more weight to the Isee = Elio pile, but it genuinely goes beyond that. Regardless, the plausibility of this becoming possible seems to be increasing every day.

Without further ado, let me begin.

Understanding the Amphorean Experiment

Amphoreus and its ramifications on HSR's story are utterly undeniable. However, if you look a little deeper, a series of coincidences mount that make certain connections and parallels utterly conspicuous.

One of these centers on the timing of the beginning of the Amphorean experiment and its intentions.

The starting point of the Amphorean Experiment began in exactly the same era that two of the Astral Express' most notable but overlooked Navigators were in operation, equally as significant as the likes of former members like Mikhail, Tiernan, and Razalina. Yet, this coincidence goes beyond just that.

Within δ-me13.exe's Algorithmic Logic section, and also in Experiment Progress: Era Nova, an undeniable truth emerges: Amphoreus, from the beginning, was meant as a scale model of HSR's cosmos. While it doesn't encapsulate every single planet or faction, it's rather a slice of that cosmos with variables meant to mirror important aspects, such as Paths, Pathstriders, and even people. The most notable of these people are Cyrene and Phainon, the "heart/head" and "body" of Amphoreus, or Irontomb.

With that being said, I don't think I need to go into exacting detail about the Amphorean Experiment; for the sake of this meta, I want to draw attention to the fact that it composed Amphoreus based on a very specific segment of time within the cosmos, and that was during Dolly and Isee's active years.

Dolly & Cyrene

To begin, one of the topics that was a major source of controversy was the presumed identity of Cyrene. Most of this was founded on the then-misunderstanding that Cyrene was an actual person who had somehow wound up in Amphoreus, much like Dan Heng and the Trailblazer. As we will come to see, this is both true and not.

As 3.7 unfolded, this was later (mostly) debunked. Like Phainon, she was an intended creation of the Amphorean Experiment that ascended based on the Aeon she was gazed upon by. Both started out as simulated people that that became a Pure Child of Anasrava and a Lord Ravager, respectively, transcending the boundaries of the simulation. That doesn't negate their origins, however.

As noted in As I've Written, δ-me13.exe, Experiment Progress: Eternal Recurrence, Anomaly Log: Demiurge & Ripples of Past Reverie, the truth is undisguised and revealed: Cyrene was an intended creation of the simulation like Phainon, not an outside being that wound up in Amphoreus. But, there's two incredible coincidences to glean from these entries:

Cyrene didn't start out as a Pure Child of Anasrava, she became one.

Her simulated path was Trailblaze.

Now, this is where the parallels between Cyrene and Dolly become incredibly interesting. To those that need a refresher on Dolly, her profile as the Starry Cape Dancer tells us everything we need to know, with visual clues to connect the two further.

The visual resemblance alone is striking. If you truly compare the two, you'll notice the following despite the blocky, geometric appearance of Dolly:

Both possess pink -> violet -> blue/green ombre hair, a tri-tipped hair ornament tucked behind the ear, and similar gowns/palettes

Of course, it's not a perfect 1:1 between them, but that doesn't need to be the point. It's also what we learn about them as people that rings true:

Dolly is implicitly inferred to be a Pure Child of Anasrava with the title of "Crystal" and became crystallized at the end of her life, a phenomenon that only Pure Children like March and Cyrene endure (as seen above)

As the Express' Navigator, her Lore Path is naturally the Trailblaze, just like Cyrene's came to be

Just as Dolly was a famed musician, Cyrene also possesses an affinity for music, like in her Something to Share voiceline (below)

To put this all together, this isn't to say that Cyrene is Dolly, however, I think the evidence can at least support that Dolly was more or less the basis of Cyrene. The parallels are undeniable, and I think it's goes without saying that the potential for this to be true is incredibly high.

Isee/Elio & Phainon

While I did make a meta on Elio possibly being a Kevin variant and connected to Phainon, this meta by Glouris explores the topic with fantastic detail. I highly, highly recommend reading it to understand where this aspect comes from to gain a better understanding of this section.

The bridge I'm hoping to connect, then, is the final angle to make this a closed shape. While Elio = Phainon is very thoroughly established, and Elio = Isee is another angle I've tackled, what I want to do is bridge the gap between Isee and Phainon.

To reiterate the first section, and in Cosmodyssey, Sentinel of Time in Isee's profile, the Amphorean Experiment began in 2147 AE, the same era that Dolly and Isee were active. Let's start with the similarities between Isee and Phainon.

The first item is a bit looser, but in Aha's Favorites: Phantasmoon Games Winners Compilation and "Hark! There's Revelry Atop the Divine Mountain", both Isee and Phainon are visually paralleled. While the former takes place when Isee was a "phantom of death" on Aldivun, the latter takes place in "Memortis Shore" Ruins of Time, One Tomb of Woeflame.

Now, this is significant. MHY is extremely intentional with visual cues and parallels, especially when they want to tell us that two characters may be related somehow. With Kevin variants, the partially turned pose has become infamously attributed to them, of which Isee may very well be.

Another aspect lays in the Paths both Isee and Phainon follow, which is the Trailblaze.

In both For The Sun Is Set to Die, Hero Shatter that Woeful Effigy and Back to Earth in Evernight, Blazing Sun, Illuminate the Path for the Lost, it was clear from the beginning that Phainon (and his past versions, like Khaos) were all meant to follow the Trailblaze.

Isee, of course--as a past Navigator of the Astral Express--is a given in following the Trailblaze. But, it goes a bit beyond that.

Following his departure from the Astral Express, it's implied that Isee founded the Omen Vanguards, followers of Finality that can see into the future. As the founder, Isee undoubtedly shared in the ability to see future possibilities; while this is mainly fodder for Elio = Isee, I believe where it bonds to Isee and Phainon shouldn't be neglected, either, as the symbol of Finality being the Throne of Worlds is no coincidence, let alone that symbol being present in both Phainon and Elio's eyes.

As revealed within the Doomsday Compound Eye — Early Access Version, a DU curio, Omen Vanguards receive "their clairvoyant eyes" as a gift from Terminus. And, again, while this does give more credence to Elio = Isee that both were prodigial clairvoyants, it also stands to reason that Isee had the same eyes as Phainon and Elio; eyes that bear the symbol of the Finality, the Throne of Worlds.

Of course, the obvious divergences cannot be discounted. Phainon was gazed upon by Nanook and became a Lord Ravager, an Emanator of Destruction; but, at the same time, Elio isn't a follower of Destruction, either, yet it doesn't diminish his ties to Phainon. Even if this remains true, the rest still reinforces my postulation that Isee was the basis of Phainon in the respect that Elio = Isee.

All in all, if this is true will all remain to be seen.

[boymanmaletheshequel]

I see…

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- I see Lord Dionysus when I enjoy a cold Alcoholic beverage surrounded by others who wish to get lost in the celebration and ecstasy of drunken banter, yet knowing my limits enough to not fully join in.

- I see Lord Dionysus when I am enamored by the body of a beautiful man, beguiled by their masculinity and horny for their body on mine, and the euphoria and pleasure it promises to bind us with.

- I see Lord Dionysus when I have a break in my mental health, and I ask him to sit with me to help me through the aftermath and hold my hand as I recover from it.

- I see Lord Dionysus when I go to the club with my friends, as we try our damndest to hear eachother over the noise of celebration, and I feel his mania as I sing in panicked, yet excited embarrassment to the karaoke in front of everyone on stage.

- I see Lord Dionysus when I must remind myself to find the importance of celebration and of kinship, to stop dwelling in my depression, and to engage in fun, in chivalry, and in tomfoolery alike, to remember the importance of living like I want to.

I see lord Dionysus

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[ninebaalart]

Isee

Watchful eyes from the barracks and forests...

[onelastchorus]

i'm incredibly intrigued by us getting a relic set based on isee. i didn't even remember him until he was mentioned by pearl, but he's been sprinkled throughout so many different things lately.

isee is already so suspicious as a former navigator just due to the sheer amount of associations he had with so many strange powers and events. he joined the astral express somewhere around the time akivili disappeared and nanook was born. he was given the role of navigator shortly afterward, during one of the biggest times of strife for the path of the trailblaze. all historic records related to him are said to have been tampered with by history fictionalogists, but it's implied that after his resignation as navigator, he abandoned the trailblaze to follow the finality, possibly forming the omen vanguards. not to mention it was him who helped ashveil gain control over his voracious shadow. one of the early planarcadia trailers even claims his "spirit" was seen on the planet nanook was born during an incident involving a winner of the phantasmoon games.

that's a connection with a frankly absurb amount of aeons and a huge amount of information we've learned about him incredibly recently. there's some kind of reveal coming, but i'm not sure what it is.

[the-fact-site]

There was a woman from Germany who had such amazing vision; she could identify people from a mile away. #FACT