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[theunknowncreatureringsthebell]

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[arxvfg]

hhey uh😟😟

[worldbearingdeliverance]

ok whatever enroute isee whatever the fuck your name is, for a guy being "dragged to places that dont want him" he sure wants to make everyones life hell go fuck yourself asat pramadeurysm (hear me out though)

[helltearts]

What do you guys think about Himeko's and Asat Pramad's relathionship? I'm so obsessed it made me go a little crazy and try out doing animatics

It's my first time trying the animation docker on Krita or animations in general, this is still a wip I hope to finish some day, but I wanted to post a sneak peek

[blove9601110]

It's been a long time. 

[nathallly]

4.4 Spoilers!!!

HOLY PEAK

I lowkey adore how they wrote himeko and motoko. The theory that they combined was always the prevailing idea but the twist that a “shadow from the moon” gave her a small wish that the fates of motoko and himeko would swap..

Not even asat pramad could figure that out.

Also I adore the end where the tb went “NO FUCK YOU STELLARON NO ONE IS GOING TO DIE” but then asat’s still survives and goes “cough… you forgot the voracity is still here bitchass, run.”

Bruh, the nightglow remix while we were running on golden threads… peak.. TB the goat btw, they went NAH HIMEKO WE NOT EXPERIENCING THIS FINAL LESSON, I WILL SAVE YOU. And they did. TB went thru too much and is now pulling the dan heng/feng special “no one in my friend group/found family is dying, I will make sure of it’ the difference is TB is successful.

PLEASE HOYO DONT KILL OFF ASAT I NEED HIM IN THIS DAMN STORY. I STILL GOT THEORIES AND HE STILL GOT MYSTERIES, ITS ONLY 4.4 HE SHOULD SURVIVE TIL 4.6-4.7 AT LEAST. BUT HES TOO INTERESTINGGG.

Also ik some people are like “the two summer character/Astropolis is coming next patch, how will we get there?”

I think we have enough clues to make an assessment, we know pearl is gonna pull a graphia and shove planarcadia in the world in canvas, so the rest of planarcadia is safe. But how do we escape the voracity? We go to Astropolis.

But I dont think thast the end of planarcadia’s story, i think we are not only there to celebrate, we are there to also plan with pearl on how to quell the voracity. Also pearl and nihilux isnt out yet as playable so we defo going back. Also nihilux is still suspicious cuh, twin has been and did nothing.

We are still going to party and have fun summer time. Right hoyo? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ROBINS AND AVENTURINES STORY IS MOSTLY COMPLETE THEY DONT NEED ANOTHER TRUAMA

RIP YAO GUANG, HOW WILL THE YAO YI YAO SURVIVE?? She isnt technically dead, due to her distortion thing, even according to the crit success asat answer, she could come back tomorrow or in like 20 thousand years. But knowing that… yea rip twin we not seeing her again. Rip to both evanyao/yaoevan both not technically dead but neither going to be present so like essentially dead. Damn evanyao was the doomed old woman yuri we never knew about..

Anyways good story, I still love/hate asat. I love himeko and motoko. And the funniest part to me

Hoyo never forgets its yaoi

[910j]

Yk im reaching (White and gold is not niche) but I think Nova’s outfit lowkenuinely be resembling Isee a lot

[hsrmeta]

The connection between Dolly & Cyrene, Phainon & Isee (+ Elio)

With all of the recent buzz over the past few weeks regarding the appearance of Elio in the MAPPA x HSR movie trailer, and with the inclusion of my own theories in the Isee = Elio debacle, I've recently stumbled upon some incredibly interesting connections that may add weight to this beyond what we already know.

Ultimately, this is intended as more weight to the Isee = Elio pile, but it genuinely goes beyond that. Regardless, the plausibility of this becoming possible seems to be increasing every day.

Without further ado, let me begin.

Understanding the Amphorean Experiment

Amphoreus and its ramifications on HSR's story are utterly undeniable. However, if you look a little deeper, a series of coincidences mount that make certain connections and parallels utterly conspicuous.

One of these centers on the timing of the beginning of the Amphorean experiment and its intentions.

The starting point of the Amphorean Experiment began in exactly the same era that two of the Astral Express' most notable but overlooked Navigators were in operation, equally as significant as the likes of former members like Mikhail, Tiernan, and Razalina. Yet, this coincidence goes beyond just that.

Within δ-me13.exe's Algorithmic Logic section, and also in Experiment Progress: Era Nova, an undeniable truth emerges: Amphoreus, from the beginning, was meant as a scale model of HSR's cosmos. While it doesn't encapsulate every single planet or faction, it's rather a slice of that cosmos with variables meant to mirror important aspects, such as Paths, Pathstriders, and even people. The most notable of these people are Cyrene and Phainon, the "heart/head" and "body" of Amphoreus, or Irontomb.

With that being said, I don't think I need to go into exacting detail about the Amphorean Experiment; for the sake of this meta, I want to draw attention to the fact that it composed Amphoreus based on a very specific segment of time within the cosmos, and that was during Dolly and Isee's active years.

Dolly & Cyrene

To begin, one of the topics that was a major source of controversy was the presumed identity of Cyrene. Most of this was founded on the then-misunderstanding that Cyrene was an actual person who had somehow wound up in Amphoreus, much like Dan Heng and the Trailblazer. As we will come to see, this is both true and not.

As 3.7 unfolded, this was later (mostly) debunked. Like Phainon, she was an intended creation of the Amphorean Experiment that ascended based on the Aeon she was gazed upon by. Both started out as simulated people that that became a Pure Child of Anasrava and a Lord Ravager, respectively, transcending the boundaries of the simulation. That doesn't negate their origins, however.

As noted in As I've Written, δ-me13.exe, Experiment Progress: Eternal Recurrence, Anomaly Log: Demiurge & Ripples of Past Reverie, the truth is undisguised and revealed: Cyrene was an intended creation of the simulation like Phainon, not an outside being that wound up in Amphoreus. But, there's two incredible coincidences to glean from these entries:

Cyrene didn't start out as a Pure Child of Anasrava, she became one.

Her simulated path was Trailblaze.

Now, this is where the parallels between Cyrene and Dolly become incredibly interesting. To those that need a refresher on Dolly, her profile as the Starry Cape Dancer tells us everything we need to know, with visual clues to connect the two further.

The visual resemblance alone is striking. If you truly compare the two, you'll notice the following despite the blocky, geometric appearance of Dolly:

Both possess pink -> violet -> blue/green ombre hair, a tri-tipped hair ornament tucked behind the ear, and similar gowns/palettes

Of course, it's not a perfect 1:1 between them, but that doesn't need to be the point. It's also what we learn about them as people that rings true:

Dolly is implicitly inferred to be a Pure Child of Anasrava with the title of "Crystal" and became crystallized at the end of her life, a phenomenon that only Pure Children like March and Cyrene endure (as seen above)

As the Express' Navigator, her Lore Path is naturally the Trailblaze, just like Cyrene's came to be

Just as Dolly was a famed musician, Cyrene also possesses an affinity for music, like in her Something to Share voiceline (below)

To put this all together, this isn't to say that Cyrene is Dolly, however, I think the evidence can at least support that Dolly was more or less the basis of Cyrene. The parallels are undeniable, and I think it's goes without saying that the potential for this to be true is incredibly high.

Isee/Elio & Phainon

While I did make a meta on Elio possibly being a Kevin variant and connected to Phainon, this meta by Glouris explores the topic with fantastic detail. I highly, highly recommend reading it to understand where this aspect comes from to gain a better understanding of this section.

The bridge I'm hoping to connect, then, is the final angle to make this a closed shape. While Elio = Phainon is very thoroughly established, and Elio = Isee is another angle I've tackled, what I want to do is bridge the gap between Isee and Phainon.

To reiterate the first section, and in Cosmodyssey, Sentinel of Time in Isee's profile, the Amphorean Experiment began in 2147 AE, the same era that Dolly and Isee were active. Let's start with the similarities between Isee and Phainon.

The first item is a bit looser, but in Aha's Favorites: Phantasmoon Games Winners Compilation and "Hark! There's Revelry Atop the Divine Mountain", both Isee and Phainon are visually paralleled. While the former takes place when Isee was a "phantom of death" on Aldivun, the latter takes place in "Memortis Shore" Ruins of Time, One Tomb of Woeflame.

Now, this is significant. MHY is extremely intentional with visual cues and parallels, especially when they want to tell us that two characters may be related somehow. With Kevin variants, the partially turned pose has become infamously attributed to them, of which Isee may very well be.

Another aspect lays in the Paths both Isee and Phainon follow, which is the Trailblaze.

In both For The Sun Is Set to Die, Hero Shatter that Woeful Effigy and Back to Earth in Evernight, Blazing Sun, Illuminate the Path for the Lost, it was clear from the beginning that Phainon (and his past versions, like Khaos) were all meant to follow the Trailblaze.

Isee, of course--as a past Navigator of the Astral Express--is a given in following the Trailblaze. But, it goes a bit beyond that.

Following his departure from the Astral Express, it's implied that Isee founded the Omen Vanguards, followers of Finality that can see into the future. As the founder, Isee undoubtedly shared in the ability to see future possibilities; while this is mainly fodder for Elio = Isee, I believe where it bonds to Isee and Phainon shouldn't be neglected, either, as the symbol of Finality being the Throne of Worlds is no coincidence, let alone that symbol being present in both Phainon and Elio's eyes.

As revealed within the Doomsday Compound Eye — Early Access Version, a DU curio, Omen Vanguards receive "their clairvoyant eyes" as a gift from Terminus. And, again, while this does give more credence to Elio = Isee that both were prodigial clairvoyants, it also stands to reason that Isee had the same eyes as Phainon and Elio; eyes that bear the symbol of the Finality, the Throne of Worlds.

Of course, the obvious divergences cannot be discounted. Phainon was gazed upon by Nanook and became a Lord Ravager, an Emanator of Destruction; but, at the same time, Elio isn't a follower of Destruction, either, yet it doesn't diminish his ties to Phainon. Even if this remains true, the rest still reinforces my postulation that Isee was the basis of Phainon in the respect that Elio = Isee.

All in all, if this is true will all remain to be seen.