#jaqueshoemaker

[in-the-right]

I can understand someone not believing in evolution. Skepticism is the entire backbone of scientific discovery. But for those same people to blindly support creationism just baffles me. What evidence is there, what tests prove it?

You are blind and deaf to every single piece of scientific evidence I've posted so far. What hubris you have to insult me by asking for more. Good day, sir.

[classicalliberalleague]

jaqueshoemaker

Yes, you were preachy and extremely long winded in that submission.

Also wrong, but whatever.

[in-the-right]

Your brother's gay, right? I'm just wondering if your family has openly accepted him or if he's been ostracized. Is he "seeking help" or has he come to accept himself? If you feel it's a personal thing you should talk about I understand, I was just curious.

We are currently completely accepting. As far as we know, he's not acting on it. We have a deal where my parents help pay for his college if he lives a Christian lifestyle. So even if he were doing something behind our backs, there's no way he'd tell us. He talks sincerely like he knows homosexual actions are wrong, but he's fighting against his desire to do it anyway. If he began a homosexual relationship openly, we'd...have to discuss it. We wouldn't allow them to visit us together, of course... Other than that, I'm not sure where we'd stand. But we'll always love him, and I'd miss him terribly, because he's truly one of my best friends.

[in-the-right]

I understand evolution not being supported by the Bible, but how is it not supported by reality? Scientists work off of reality and observing the real world. How could countless if not close to all legitimate scientists believe in something that has no basis in reality?

Search my "evolution" and "atheists" tags.

[in-the-right]

Yes, mental disorders are a result in the world. So is homicide. So is a rainbow. What I'm trying to stress to you is that science doesn't give a shit about the viability of homosexuality because it isn't an opinionated process. You shouldn't use whether or not something is "natural" as an argument for or against it. Condoms, large buildings, and the car you likely ride/drive in every day are not natural occurrences in the world, so you have no argument.

How many times do I have to say that its occurrence in nature isn't even my argument? I was simply wondering what an evolutionist's view was on that point. You just don't listen, and I'm really tired of it.

[in-the-right]

If he's attracted to men, then he's homosexual. But liking anal sex and having an inferiority complex don't make you homosexual. If he is earnestly attracted to men then yeah, sure. But you made it sound like he was bullied or persuaded to be gay, which simply isn't possible.

I listed many, many factors that led to his gradual preference in men. Persuasion was one of them. Inferiority-complex and nervousness about women is one of them. Maladaptive development in gender relationships is one of them. Etcetera. I know you read the whole thing, so come on.

[in-the-right]

Homosexuality has no natural purpose. Just like eye color, hair color, and ice cream preference. They are simply results of genetic and developmental makeup. You are arguing from a stance of "design" when science focuses on "result". Homosexuality is a result found in nature. Therefor it is natural. In Ancient Greece and Pagan cultures homosexuality and bisexuality were embraced as normal. "Normal" is a societal standard, not scientific.

If you're going for result, then disease and mental disorders are also natural.

[in-the-right]

Are you implying the friend you were talking about is homosexual? Because he's not. If he enjoys anal sex, that doesn't make him homosexual. If he has an inferiority complex because of his penis, that doesn't mean he's homosexual. Are you implying it does? If you aren't implying that, then what was the point of bringing him up? He has nothing to do with people who are actually gay.

He is sexually attracted to men. I'm pretty sure I made this clear. And I'm pretty sure questioning/doubting a person's stated sexuality isn't kosher on the LGBT side of things, so...