#john.pdf

[nekropsii]

My Homestuck shipping take that would get me thrown in Fandom Jail is that I think Dave/John is canon, it's just not reciprocated and is only really applicable to early Homestuck, and that's where and how it works best. I honest to god do not think it works as a reciprocal romantic relationship. This is because John is not interested in them, and this is Dave's bisexual awakening that he's too afraid to act on.

Dave would not be comfortable in a relationship with John. I personally think he needs the fantasy of it more than he wants an actual relationship with him. There's inherent weight and value in non-reciprocal relationships/feelings, too. It's important for Dave that he feels the way he does, but that does not mean it would be a good idea or constructive to act on those feelings. It's all exploratory thoughts, and those are extremely valuable to the development of one's relationship with their queerness.

[nekropsii]

what is John's gender?

Well, I’d be inclined to say someone’s a little biased towards a particular answer, judging by the wording here.

If you’re going to ask questions about John/June in a gender neutral way, where their gender is either a question or up for personal interpretation, it’s good form and common practice to refer to them simply as “Egbert”, or “Jegbert”.

John is the masculine form of the character. June is the transfeminine form. Egbert is up for viewer interpretation. This is why you do not refer to depictions of June as John, and vice versa. It’s rude. Always check the original poster’s tags.

John is what is definitively canon to Homestuck as we know it. This doesn’t make it any more or less valid than those who abide by June, but it is what’s canon. Some people use this canonicity as an excuse to be transmisogynistic, and that’s not acceptable.

June is in a weird, unfortunate state where she was confirmed on Twitter to be an arc that will happen in the future of Homestuck^2’s story, by request of a fan. Homestuck^2 is definitively not canon, it’s effectively an official spinoff fanventure with some minor direction from Hussie. She has also not happened yet. She’s barely even been alluded to. It’s kind of sad- sorry to all June fans for the literal JK Rowling-tier representation. :/

[nekropsii]

june egbert as a concept has existed for a long time as a headcanon, and i think the toblerone thing should be respected regardless of canon (and, to be fair, there's a LOT of shitty stuff in canon, so really there isnt a whole lot TO trust). i think a lot of people would prefer if you could just tag stuff related to her as june, since like you said it's still the same character, and there really isnt any harm in not tagging her as her deadname. i hope this isnt bothersome

Anon, I respect and appreciate the lack of confrontationality in this ask a lot. Quite a lot of people can get incredibly hostile and accusatory on both sides of the spectrum with regards to June vs. John.

You and I are both in agreement that they’re the same character. This much is true. I’ll absolutely respect anyone who is marking their pre-transition June art as June, and tag said art appropriately. Hell, if someone tags their art as both John and June, I usually play the safe route and just stick with June. It seems more respectful to me.

That said… They’re the same character, yes, but you have to keep in mind that while transfeminine June may have existed as a headcanon for a long time- I’m not disputing this, nor her importance/significance to anyone- so has transmasculine John. In fact, if I’m recalling correctly, that was the more popular headcanon of the two. Hell, some people even find comfort in the idea of John being a supportive trans ally, and I think it’s best to just respect what people are making content of/tagging their stuff with. You don’t know why someone is specifically making content of John over June.

If someone tags their art as John and only as John, then it’s most likely that they’re drawing John and not pre-transition June. If someone tags their art as June and only as June, no matter what she looks like, then they’re drawing fucking June. I tend to think of June vs. John the same way I think of any other different, significant phase of a character. I tag Aradiabot and Aradia Megido differently. Same character, different phase. I also take June Egbert and John Egbert differently. Same character, different phase.

You never know what significance J. Egbert’s gender has to someone. I’m just choosing not to assume either way. It seems a bit more respectful to everyone that way.

[nekropsii]

Hi I love your thoughts on fanon stuff. Any thoughts on John/June??

Hi!! Glad you like what I have to offer!

I think people are forgetting the fact that when someone transitions, they are the same exact person, just with a different presentation.

A lot of people act like John and June are effectively different people when that’s quite literally not how that works. I’ve seen a good amount of people basically make June be Jade 2.0, when June is actually just… John, post transition. Meaning… they’d have the same personality. And the same exact problems.

June is not going to stop being a bit of an asshole just because she transitioned. She is going to be the same person she used to be, with one more thing figured out about herself. Transitioning isn’t a psychological cure-all, it’s just a big step into truly being comfortable with yourself. June is not Jade. June is June. John is John. Jade is Jade.

… Also, related topic, but some people do not know what “queer coding” means, because I see a lot of people say that John has always been trans coded, which is just... Patently untrue. June would have never even been considered if it weren’t for that one fan who won the ability to ask for it. Coding is intentional. John’s detachment from toxic masculinity and his father is more telling of his nature as an Heir of Breath than is is any level of coding. Sure, you can read it that way, but that doesn’t mean it was intentional at all. Which means it isn’t coding. This isn’t some genius-level writing equivalent of a long con, it was unintentional, and it’s an angle I’ve only ever seen taken after that reveal happened.

[nekropsii]

In act 1, there’s this one quote by “Walt Whitman” (I dont think its actually by him but i cba to google it): “Absence diminishes little passions and increases great ones, as wind extinguishes candles and fans a fire.”

Do you think this is a connection between wind and void as aspects? Or do you think it just alludes to John’s later role as the Heir of Breath?

I’m pretty sure that none of the quotes cited within the pages of Homestuck are cited properly. If I recall correctly, that particular quote is actually one by French writer François de La Rochefoucauld. I could be entirely wrong, though.

My personal interpretation of the inclusion of that line is that it’s about John’s role as an Heir of Breath, though by nature that means it is also about Breath itself. Breath is a very… Detached, Disconnected Aspect. We see John lose his innocence and general appreciation of the little things as the story progresses- almost as if the further he gets into the Narrative, the more he’s really feeling that Absence of Childhood- the Absence of his Father, and of the Suburban Comforts he once took for granted. Being the Main Character sucks. They don’t call him the Heir of Grief for nothing.