#kuro 157

[ladysieglindes]

Mey Rin in Chapter 157-158

[chibimyumi]

If you're not too busy, could you give more examples of mey rins bad grammar speech? I find that quirk cool and interesting for some reason. When she says "I am are". You don't have to and sorry if you get too much requests. Btw I like your drawings for musical reviews. You draw them anime but still keep actors features, its amazing.

【Reference to Kuro 157 Summary and Thoughts】

Dear Anon,

Of course, it is my pleasure (⌒∇⌒)

So… this post will basically be ‘Lost in Translation III’, following Lost in Translation I and Lost in Translation II

Double Verbs

The most regular and iconic grammatical error of ‘clumsymaid!Meyrin’ is the double verb of ‘to be’ です (desu) with だ  (da).

TLN: ‘Desu’ is the polite form of the verb ‘to be’, whereas ‘da’ is the dictionary form.

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バルドッ　はしたないですだよ！

Barudo Hashitanai desu da yo!

Bard, [it] is are improper!

Here, the proper grammar should be: “Hashitanai desu yo!” Meyrin however, added an unnecessary ‘da’ to her sentence. As ‘desu/da’ is already the ‘to be’ verb, it is incredibly unnatural to use this verb twice.

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ハイですだ

HAI desu da

[It] is are Yes

In this case Meyrin is simply replying to Sebastian who tells her to hand him the letter. While a simple ‘Hai’ (Yes) would have sufficed, Meyrin added not one but two unnecessary verbs. ‘Desu’ and ‘da’ never follow each other, except - just like in English - when a speaker is specifically referring to vocabulary/grammar. (e.g. “it is ‘are’.)

Unnecessary Verb

すごくよく見えますだ

Sugoku yoku miemasu da

I am can see very well

Here the ‘da’ is entirely redundant as well. By just removing the ‘da’, the sentence would have been perfectly grammatical.

Incorrect Conjugation

Another trait of her incorrect grammar quick is the reoccurring incorrect conjugation

All the sentences spoken by Meyrin in the panels below are grammatically incorrect, but for the sake of this post, I shall only discuss the circled two.

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バルド　イライラする良いないネ

Barudo, ira ira suru yoi nai ne

Bard, it goodn’t so grumpy

Here, Meyrin wrongly conjugates the adjective ‘yoi’ (良い・good). The correct negative conjugation of this verb should have been ‘yoku nai’, not ‘yoi nai’.

Even if this adjective were properly conjugated, it still reads rather unnatural. It would be best to add a nominaliser ‘no wa’ (のは・’the act of xxx-ing’) to equate the verb to a noun before the phrase can be considered natural.

Hence, the grammatically correct phrase should have been:

イライラするのは良くないネ

ira ira suru no wa yoku nai ne

The act of being grumpy is not good

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牛乳馬鹿にするでないよ

Gyuunyuu baka ni suru de nai yo

It’s not do make fun milk

Here too Meyrin uses faulty negative conjugation. The correct negative conjugation of imperative verbs should be ‘suru na’. Furthermore, she is also missing a particle ‘wo’ (を) in order to indicate the object to which the verb applies. Therefore, the correct phrase should have been:

牛乳を馬鹿にするなよ

Gyuunyuu wo baka ni suru na yo

Don’t make fun of milk

間違いあるないネ

Machigai aru nai ne

[There] amn’t mistake, indeed

Here Meyrin uses the wrong negative conjugation for ‘aru’ (ある・to exist).

‘Aru’ is an irregular verb, and its negative form should be conjugated as simply ‘nai’. Therefore, the grammatically correct sentence should be:

間違いないね

Machigai nai ne

There’s no mistake, indeed

‘Aru nai’ is indeed a mistake that many new learners of Japanese make, though this level of mistake is incongruous with the relatively high-level vocabulary/grammar Meyrin sometimes uses WITHIN the same sentence.

But then again… as a student of languages myself…

I hope this post helps add some extra enjoyment to consuming the manga!

[chibimyumi]

Kuroshitsuji 157 - That Butler, Estimation

“I shall survive using all the possibilities within my power”

So............ Young Meyrin’s first pronoun used to be ‘ore’, her speech used to be masculine, and her language was not punctured with grammatical mistakes, huh～

Interesting 💗

Adding her to the chart.

[chibimyumi]

yo I’m just dropping in to say that “Yan” could possibly be the Dutch name “Jan”

【Related Post: Kuro 157 Summary & Thoughts】

Dear Anon,

Yeah, it is quite possible. That, or it’s the French name Yann, or Chinese name ‘Yang’.

The kids do have this vaguely slanted eyes-feature Yana uses a bit for her east Asian characters.

[chibimyumi]

Is my Kuro 157 Summary & Thoughts visible???

So... Tumblr flagged my super PG Kuro 157 Summary & Thoughts as adult content, but now it’s unflagged.

The problem is is that the post is nowhere in my own feed. Is it in yours though?

Either way, here is the link to it!

【Kuro 157 Summary & Thoughts】

[chibimyumi]

Jan, Janko (or Jana if girl) is very popular name in central and eastern europe too. It's a name than can be asian or european. Doubt Yana will elaborate because he looks like unimportant side character, I just hope official translators pick option that is as neutral as possible and allow people to headcanon whatever they want. (I will never forgive them for translating gender neutral pronouns and terms for Grell to "he" and "mister" and basically forcing their headcanons on us)

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Dear Anon,

Thank you so much for your information! That would be interesting too!

Meyrin

Indeed, I don’t think Yana will elaborate a lot either, as I think “Yan” has maybe 2 more chapters of showtime left. I think in the next chapter (Kuro 158) we will see the gang’s thievery escalate to the point of catching even the Queen’s Watchdog’s attention.

From Petty Crimes to Hired Assassin?

Perhaps Meyrin’s skills are so extraordinary that using them on petty crimes will soon be a waste of talent. Perhaps she will just roll down the slippery slope herself and engage in bigger crimes, perhaps she will be scouted by a crime syndicate and become their hired assassin before O!Ciel/Sebastian do.

Wouldn’t it be very interesting if past Meyrin would work for a crime syndicate and was actively an obstacle to O!Ciel? Imagine Meyrin for some reason trying to head-shot Sebastian from afar, and Sebastian being Sebastian just dodges and then smirks at her from a FAAAR distance. Imagine the look on Meyrin’s face XD “Le fuck?” ÒAÔ

Accurate Translation

“They??? I guess?”

No indeed. Some people use ‘they’ for Grell because there is/was a lot of contradicting information going on about her gender. I understand the people who use ‘they’ for Grell because they HONESTLY don’t know because they don’t have access to accurate information. (Click 1.here, 2.here, 3.here, 4.here, 5.here and 6.here for said accurate information.) Though, in the translated versions Grell did also refer to herself as ‘actress’ (if the translators didn’t fuck up ENTIRELY that is)… so I think that is already some pretty good information to go by.

“Sh……They… 💧”

But people who use ‘they’ for Grell because they don’t want to ‘offend’ the Man!Grellers… well that’s just a bit sad for different reasons. I do understand that these people simply don’t want to be hurled into a mind-numbing fight with Man!Grellers. However, using ‘they’ for Grell - and thereby delegitimising her gender validity - all in order to save one’s own skin is just… also a bit…

Well, at least your own ass is safe… Bravo.

“It is ‘they’.”

People who use ‘they’ for Grell because they honestly think Grell is non-binary/gender-fluid… well, I think somehow that is equally bad as Man!Grellers. The only medal they get is the “bravo, you know that ‘non-binary’ is a thing” medal.

Grell is a binary transgender woman, so the only correct pronoun is ‘she/her’. A male Grell and a non-binary/gender-fluid Grell only have one place where they belong: in an AU/headcanon.

“Everyone is ‘they!’”

Why not! But then be consistent, and really refer to EVERYONE by ‘they’^^