You seem to know a lot about AO3, do you know how to engage more of your readers? I’ve been trying to get comments on my fics but all I get is kudos. I just want to know if people are enjoying my writing
Hi there! I definitely wouldn't say I'm an expert when it comes to AO3, but I find the fandom culture around AO3 to be really interesting, so I do talk about it a lot, haha. I've only been posting works there since 2019, though, and I'm sure folks who have been doing so for longer or have volunteered as tag wranglers or on the policy & abuse committee, for example, would know a lot more than I do. <3
But I'm really sorry to hear that you only get kudos and no comments on your fics! That really sucks. :( Like you said, you have no idea what those people actually think about what you made—just that they consumed it.
Honestly, I'm not sure I'm a good person to ask about getting readers to interact because I post both fanart and fanfics, which isn't super common, at least among people I know. I'm pretty sure that most of the folks who comment on my works followed me from Tumblr to AO3 back when I used to post art here. If I wanted to share nsfw images, I could only post cropped versions of them on Tumblr, so I would sometimes do that and link to the full image over on AO3. I suspect that's a big reason why I even have subscribers on AO3, haha. My writing certainly isn't better than that of plenty of people who also write for very niche ships and don't get as many kind comments as I do.
I also started out in my current fandom making art and writing about more popular characters until I quickly shifted focus when I found some that I like much more 😂 But I'm sure that quite a few people found my stuff because of those old works, and some of them probably stuck around.
Speaking of popular... This isn't something I do because I'm only motivated to make things that I like, but of course, there's always the 'write stuff for popular ships/characters' option. :/ Even now, when I happen to include fan favorites in my fics or art, all kinds of people come out of the woodwork to comment on them. And because I'm a contrary ass, that then makes me not want to create works featuring those ships or characters XD;;; But anyway, that is one option, haha.
A friend recently told me that they started asking little questions in the notes of each chapter of their fics, and that seemed to encourage readers to respond in the comments, so maybe that would be a good thing to try? I haven't tested it, so I can't say.
One thing I have tried that I think has made a difference is adding a blurb in the end notes of my works that I got from @longlivefeedback! They have a great template that you can customize and try out if you like (just make sure to read the bug fix part about curly/smart quotes versus straight quotes, since the curly quotes will kill your html).
One tried and true method to get more people commenting on your fics, of course, is to get to know people who also like the fandom/characters/ships you write about. Read some of their stuff or comment on their art or just chat about headcanons etc. And maybe they'll check out what you wrote.
(My caveat to this would be: do not do this with the sole purpose of getting someone to comment on your fics. I've had plenty of people do this to me, and it was so transparent that they had no interest in me as a person, but just wanted me to draw their OCs or scenes from their fic, or reblog their art, etc. Trying to manipulate someone like that just for your own gain is such gross behavior, and of course, I'm not saying you would do it, but it's common enough that I wanted to mention it 😓)
Okay, unsurprisingly, this got very long and rambling, haha. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful, but I hope you get more folks interested in your writing!
I'd be curious to know if other people have advice for @sonofhighrock! :)
Les presento el Creador de Comentarios (beta) de LLF*
(Esto es una traducción de este post original)
El Creador de Comentarios hecho por @longlivefeedback es una herramienta creada para ayudar a que los lectores de fanfiction dejen respuestas en las historias y puedan comunicarse con los autores. Partimos reconociendo que comentar es una habilidad que se puede aprender y que existen muchas razones por las cuales una persona puede encontrar difícil o intimidante dejar comentarios.
El Creador de Comentarios de longlivefeedback esta diseñado para ayudar a los ususarios a aprender a comentar usando “andamieaje” instruccional, asi como también para quitar las barreras al momento de dejar comentarios, tales como síndrome disejecutivo, ansiedad, problemas de movilidad que dificultan escribir respuestas muy largas (especialmente desde el teléfono), fluidez del lenguaje, y funcionalidad al comentar desde un teléfono móvil en general... o quizás simplemente no estás seguro de qué decir.
[google sheets] [excel]
Al expandir estan las instrucciones y más detalles.
Comenzar
1. Guarda o descarga una copia.
• Google sheets: Abre el link de arriba, seleccionar archivo -> hacer una copia. Debes hacer una copia para usar esta herramienta.
• Excel: Abre el link de arriba, seleccionar archivo -> guardar como. Necesitarás tener algún software para hoja de cálculo (tales como microsoft excel, OpenOffice, etc) para abrir la versión en tu Escritorio en tu computador. También puedes volver a subir el archivo a tu cuenta de OneDrive para usarla en internet o teléfono móvil.
2. Usarlo en el teléfono móvil requiere la aplicación de Google sheets o Excel.
• Ambas son applicaciones gratuitas.
3. Selecciona la página deseada.
• Bienvenida: Visión general e información
• Tutorial: Una guía para el uso
• Creador de comentarios: La versión completa
• Creador de comentarios simple: Solo contiene plantillas que no requieren edición o personalización. Esto esta diseñado para el uso en teléfono móvil or hacer un comentario rápido.
• Fuente: Contiene todos los comentarios y plantillas originales. Puedes modificar, quitar y añadir tus propias plantillas.
4. ¡Comienza a dejar comentarios!
• Por favor revisa el tutorial en el archivo para obtener instrucciones más detalladas de cómo usar el creador de comentarios y el creador de comentarios simple.
5. Futuras metas
• Recopilar opiniones de los usuarios para perfeccionar y modificar versiones futuras
• Traducir esta herramienta a varios idiomas
• Crear una versión en una página web
Es importante mencionar a @dawnfelagund que fue quien creó las 101 frases para comenzar comentarios (en inglés), por darnos permiso para usar estos comentarios como base.
I liked your guides on leaving comments for fics, however I noticed that most if not all of it is geared towards whole works (by which I mean completed or abandoned works). What's the general opinion on leaving a comment for every chapter? I doubt it's helpful feedback for whole stories but I assume that it's good to do this for wip? Thanks for the, dare I say it, feedback ;) lol
I can only speak for myself, but I love when readers leave comments on multiple chapters. I’m in the midst of posting a chapter a day on a multi-chapter story now, and I enjoy seeing the same readers commenting multiple days in a row; it lets me know they are still engaged and reading the story. I also love when readers comment at various points in completed multi-chapter stories, kind of charting their reactions as they go. Again, it lets me know that I am holding their interest; that they didn’t read a chapter or two in a single sitting and then lose interest in coming back to the story ever again.
With all due respect, I don’t agree that the 101 Comment Starters is geared toward whole stories. The vast majority of the comment starters could be applied to a single chapter; in some cases, you might have to substitute the word “chapter” for “story”–which is why I’m assuming you feel like it is aimed at whole stories–but most of the comment starters address a single element or scene in a story.
In fact (since you specifically asked me for feedback! :), I’d gently challenge you to think about what you mean by “helpful feedback.” I think most authors simply like to know that their work is being read and appreciated by their audience. As I’ve noted before, posting a story is not an effortless act. There is first multiple steps of editing and revision to get it ready for an audience, then the summary and title to come up with, tags and metadata to formulate, the actual formatting of the fic for different sites, crossposting it multiple places, and then using one’s social media channels to let people know it exists. I generally end up setting aside the better part of an evening to post a new fic. So while, yes, I wrote it for myself, I posted it for you, and therefore, if you liked it, I don’t think that asking for acknowledgement of that is a huge ask, but my bar is also not terribly high. I just want to know if the people reading my work enjoy my work.
The reason I initially posted “101 Comment Starters” wasn’t because I think that readers need to write deep literary analyses of the fanfic they read; it’s because most readers aren’t saying anything to us and the more I investigated why that was, the more it became clear to me that readers felt like generic “I liked this! Thanks for posting it!” wasn’t enough but lacked the confidence to comment in ways that they (readers) felt were appreciated by authors. Furthermore, commenting is a unique form of writing that many of us don’t feel trained to do. (My research, which appeared on @longlivefeedback, can be read here for more details on this.)
Anyway, all this to say that the “101 Comment Starters” were deliberately meant to address just small parts of the story. As a humanities teacher, I know that synthesis across a whole text–describing how a character evolves or a theme develops across multiple chapters, for example–is a fairly advanced skill. I don’t think readers need to be that ambitious. Most of us, as readers, are familiar with that feeling we get when we read a passage we love, the welling of emotion at a turning point in the plot, the sudden avalanche of thoughts when an author presents a character or worldbuilding element in a way that illuminates the canon for us anew. So I’d actually encourage you to become aware of those moments and use them to choose a comment starter that shares with the author what about their work you found particularly effective or moving. (And, to me, as an author, this actually is helpful. I love knowing what specifically worked for a reader in my work so that I can continue using that technique in future stories.)
Tl;dr: Embrace the small and simple. Don’t worry if you won’t get hired for the New York Times book review on the basis of your fanfic comments. In a fandom climate where feedback has become more and more scarce, we authors are more grateful than you’d know for any effort on our behalf to let us know that our work is enjoyed.
Have you ever read a fic that gave you so many emotions, wrecked you and put you back together just to tear your heart out again, and you have nobody to talk about it with?
Tell the author.
Not only does it make the author happy (and it will, for days or more), the author may want to talk about the fic with you! They may have answers to questions you have, or share what made them think of that particular scene that had you bawling.
When you feel too tired/sleepy/overwhelmed/at a loss for words, just write 1 sentence down and you're done! The goal of this is not to be perfect. In fact, forget about perfect! Forget about needing your comment to be special, or that the author might not appreciate such a short comment. We're taking baby steps here and the most important thing you can learn this week is that something is better than nothing.
So start with something generic. Pick something short and sweet. Use one of the examples above. Leave it on every fanfic you read.
Let me repeat that for the people at the back:
Leave it on every fanfic you read.
Leave it at the end of that chapter you're reading. Comment on that fic you just opened. Just write those 2, 3, 4 words. Tell them LLF sent you. That we made you do it. Even if it doesn't feel great just leaving such a short sentence, do it. You can change it for the next fic. But start.
Start with something, even if you're not 100% happy with it. Don't worry about not getting it right the first time. You can iterate and change it up in the next fic or chapter you read and comment. And you can keep changing it up until you get something you're happy with. Even if it doesn't work out this week, there's next week. This will be your go-to sentence. Something that you can use without thinking. So keep it stupid simple.
Now, once you've started, you can stop and hit post on your comment. The only learning for this lesson is that you write something and develop a catchphrase for yourself this week. You can leave more than just your catchphrase in a comment, but it must be included in your comment.
And that's it!
I'll be asking how the week goes for you next weekend, and if you need more help getting started, my ask box is open.
Remember:
When in doubt, comment your catchphrase.
Something is better than nothing.
Goal of the week:
Leave your catchphrase on every fanfic you read.
And for the 10% of you who always leave a comment, I have a question for you:
Many people have complained that the AO3 comment rate is too low and have proposed explanations as to why, but there's another under-discussed factor that might be at play.
Sorry about going MIA last weekend, but I'm back with Lesson 3 💪 But before we get into it, how are we doing with describing the indescribable and commenting in general?
Has this Commenting 101 series been helpful?
Yes! The tips have helped me comment more/start commenting. More please!
It's helping a little bit, but I'm starting to not comment again.
The tips haven't helped me. I still want to comment but can't/don't for reasons.
No. The Commenting 101 series is irrelevant to me because I don't comment ever.
N/A to me cuz I already comment, but the series is helpful & should continue
Not helpful at all. LLF should spend their time elsewhere.
I just found this post and have no idea what the Commenting 101 series is.
Other (Send an ask or put in notes?)
Voting ended onMar 12, 2023
Alright. So let's talk about quoting bits of the fics and commenting on them in a comment. Personally, it's one of my favourite ways to comment because I find it easier to focus on a specific thing/sentence/paragraph/turn of phrase that I really like and gush about it to an author. By doing this, I can also focus on the bits of the story that I really really liked, and not worry about the parts that I didn't like so much. Win-win for everyone!
The one downside of this particular commenting technique is that it does take a relatively high amount of effort and is not as easy as a keyboard smash or entering a bunch of smileys and a catchphrase into the comment box. But hey. Some fics are worth it :)
So, here are some tips on how to quote while commenting:
Keep 2 tabs open.
Use a third party browser script that gives you a floating review box.
Paraphrase.
1. Keep 2 tabs open
Easier on a computer, but I've done it on mobile before. This is literally having two tabs open to the same chapter/fic as I read. When I get to a sentence or phrase that I really like, I'll copy it from my reading tab and paste it into my second tab which has the comment box open.
Sometimes I'll notate what I am thinking in the moment for that quote, and sometimes I'll leave it for the end and experience all the bits I loved again 😍. My comment at the end usually looks something like this:
"Sentence I really like"
~~ I really love how you described this character!
Everything from "Start of a paragraph/section..." to "...end of paragraph/section" is giving me life!!
"Paragraph I really like"
~~ This was perfection and made me cry 😭
and so on and so forth.
It's nice when I notate as I go, because when I'm done reading, I've got quite the comment already written and I usually just round off the comment with a catchphrase like "This was all wonderful! Thank you for writing and sharing!" and hit post, easy-peasy.
2. Use a third party browser script that gives you a floating review box.
This is not something I personally use, but the people who do have really loved it and I love the concept of it so here it is for you to try and see if it works for you!
There are a couple of scripts:
AO3 Floating Comment Box by ScriptMouse. This is a script to create a floating comment box at the bottom of the page for works on AO3. Box will be closed by default, and can be open/closed using the button in the top left corner of the window. Thanks to @memorizingthedigitsofpi for the link!
AO3 Review + Last Chapter Shortcut + Kudos-sortable Bookmarks Tampermonkey script by @ravenel. Click on the link to take you to the original post describing the tool and here's a follow up tutorial post by @bourbon-ontherocks on how to install the script. Credits to @altschmerzes and @castillon02 for the links!
I think these are only for browser on computers (so no mobile?) but please feel free to correct me in the notes if anyone knows.
3. Paraphrase
Let's be real. While Tips 1 and 2 are really just giving you tools to make commenting easier, when it gets down to it, commenting really requires you to, well, comment on something.
So what to do if you forgot to take notes as you read, didn't feel like doing it as you were reading, or found it just too hard to wrangle on mobile?
Paraphrase.
Just refer back to that one thing that caught your attention ala:
"I really love how you described this character in that part!"
"That part where you wrote about that thing that happened to that character is giving me life!!"
"That part where you that happened was perfection and made me cry 😭"
Yes, this does require you to remember and be able to point out and talk about certain parts of the fic. It can be a lot to remember particularly if it's a long chapter. So, as I've stressed in previous lessons, don't let it paralyze you. Just pick one thing you can remember and have the ability to comment on.
Remember:
Just quoting and commenting on one thing is better than nothing.
When you cannot quote, paraphrase!
And as always, when in doubt, comment your catchphrase.
If you want more help constructing a comment or validation that you're writing good comments, please send in an ask or submit a screenshot!