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I was in the midst of writing up my crackpot theory regarding the SoP-DFFNT connection, when I found something that threw everything into a loop (spoilers for Dissidia and Stranger of Paradise up to DLC 2, by the way):

Ok, so, in DLC 2, one of the many conversations you can have is with a Bomb named Bang. Bang does some snooping into the Lufenians and finds some papers related to Neon. But the interesting bit is where he found them:

The kingdom of Lufenia vanished without a trace. Used to be in a place called The Wing of the Hawk, though.  Rumor has it, there’s a big hole there.  Like someone scooped a whole country out and made it go poof. …Or like the whole place just up and floated away.

This itself is actually a reference to Dissidia: In the reports, as Cid's wife returns to Lufenia, she realizes that they are trying to use a levistone to lift the entire town:

I arrived in the town on the Hawk's Wing, where my tribe still lived in the middle of a forest. They were trying to use one of my husband's levistones to elevate the whole town in order to escape the shadow that appeared so suddenly.

Keep in mind that both of these conflict with the actual FF1. maybe. Lufenia is on the surface world in FF1, though there is a significant gap of land right next to it. This would imply that the Lufenians: Lifted their town, turned it into the Flying Fortress (or perhaps, it was the fortress itself), got booted out by Tiamat and created a second village right next to it.

Maybe that was obvious and I am a slowpoke for realizing it. In my defense, nothing in the PSP version of FF1 at least alludes to this.

But then comes the other aspect: The war between Lufenia and Cornelia. According to Neon's story, Lufenia was winning the war until they abruptly vanished. In Dissidia, "The state" was losing the war to "the neighboring country" due to their summons and Omega: Which is why the manikin project, more specifically Chaos, was important for the Lufenians to complete. Even then, it's implied that Chaos was unruly, only listening to his mother - which is why Cosmos was created to control Chaos.

After my "crackpot theory on how SoP relates to Dissidia", stay tuned for my followup: "crackpot theory that OG!FF1 and Stranger of Paradise are a split timeline".

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FF1 PSP: Lufenian NPC Dialogue

Between Stranger of Paradise and Dissidia putting a spotlight on them, I figured it would be fun to fire up the PSP and see what the Lufenians of that version had to say.

We are the Lufenians, the descendants of the race that once lived among the clouds - the Sky People. You use a vessal you call an airship… It was built by one of our ancestors… a man by the name of Cid.

We have a legend that has been passed down through many generations. According to this legend, four hundred years after the fall of the civilization in the sky, Warriors bearing light will come forth to save our people. The Light Bearers! Then the legend is true!

Four hundred years ago, we had built a civilization of the highest order. Even beyond the skies we reached… but that is naught but history now.

The Sky People would pass on their memories from one generation to the next through rituals. But four hundred years is a very long time, and those memories have begun to fade.

This world is composed of four forces: Fire, Earth, Water, Wind. Of these, we showed greatest prowess with the power of wind. High in the sky, we set a castle afloat amidst an azure sea of stars.

The flying castle floats on a blue sea of stars beyond the sky.

Could the mechanical beings our ancestors created still function?

We fought a life-and-death struggle with Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind. But our power was not enough… To this day her lair remains in the castle in the sky - the Flying Fortress.

The Mirage Tower is our symbol.

Tiamat blocks the power of wind, the source of the Sky People's strength.

We placed our last hope in the five warriors we sent out… It's been said they fell victim to the curse of the Fiends and were turned into bats.

We came to believe there was another entity controlling the four Fiends. To ascertain its location, we sent out five warriors, but much time has passed since we heard from them. I hope no harm has befallen them…

The castle that floats high above the clouds was once the home of our ancestors. The Mirage Tower is the gateway to that castle.

There's some interesting stuff:

Cid of the Lufaine is mentioned. This was a retcon made in the GBA (or Wonderswan? not sure) version of the game due to FF1 otherwise lacking a Cid. Earlier versions simply mentioned that the Lufenians' ancestors built the ship. Dissidia would heavily expand on Cid of the Lufaine while Memory of Heroes would provide a different take.

Though that said, a bit of nuance was lost over time: The race of people that lived in the sky were simply known as "Sky People" while their descendants are the Lufenians. Dissidia and Stranger of Paradise would both drop this concept, using "Lufenians" for both implicitly. I've no idea what the Japanese versions say about this.

Some of the text mentioning the Flying Fortress is downright painful to read, since it's pretty clearly supposed to suggest that the Fortress was in space. Maybe space is blue in FF1?

The Memory transfer rituals mentioned here become a pivotal plot point in the Dissidia subseries. The method of making manikins with wills is to infuse them with memories. The memories of 10+ people result in Chaos, the god of discord. Cosmos was made from the memories of Cid's wife taken from Chaos, Cid's wife passes on her memories through those same rituals, Cid creates the Warrior of Light through this method, etc. Stranger of Paradise would thematically keep the link with Lufenians having to do with memories, but goes for simpler, technological dark crystals rather than any sort of ritual.

Another nuance difference: Earlier versions suggests that the Lufenias were 'blessed' with wind, while in this version they say that they 'showed greatest prowess' with it. Again, I have no idea what the Japanese says.

In general, Lufenia's ties with the Wind Crystal specifically seem to have been downplayed in other games. In Dissidia, the Floating Fortress' creation is implied due to the Levistone rather than the Wind Crystal (either that or they failed, a contrast with Stranger of Paradise which implies they succeeded). Stranger of Paradise doesn't even tie them specifically to the Wind Crystal: They created all four crystals and the Flying Fortress' significance is moreso to act as a warp network for Jack and his allies when they're trying to relight the crystals.

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Dissidia/SoP correction

TL;DR: I was wrong about the identity of "the State" in the Dissidia reports.

In this post, I had mentioned that Lufenia is presumably "the state" or "the homeland" that Cid and his wife worked for, which dovetails nicely into Stranger suggesting that a war broke out between Lufenia and Cornelia. But then I read the Reports again:

We originate from a tribe that inherits memories through ceremony. The knowledge and skills in my husband were inherited as well. I had intended to use the teleportation device as part of our escape, but decided to use it to return to my tribe. I felt the need to pass on my memories even if I were to die there and then. I arrived in the town on the Hawk's Wing, where my tribe still lived in the middle of a forest. They were trying to use one of my husband's levistones to elevate the whole town in order to escape the shadow that appeared so suddenly. (Inherited Memories -6-)

From the way Cid's wife speaks of it, Lufenia was not the 'homeland' that they worked for. It sounds more like they left and integrated into another nation (which explains why I previously thought that it wasn't Lufenia: because it wasn't). It's not just this report either. One of the other reports specifies a "Lufenian scientist" to help with the memory transfer process:

Mass-production of simulated life based on crystal ore successful. We name them manikins. But still no sign of will. Employing help of a capable Lufenian scientist to attempt transplanting memory facsimiles. (From A Researcher's Notes -01-)

And Cosmos is specified to be based on a "Lufenian female":

Complete memory removal and transplant to simulated life successful for first time. Named Cosmos to signify order. Subject is Lufenian female. Study undisclosed to subject. Scientist claims to be an unclouded mind, but how this can be determined is unknown. (From a Researcher's Notes -02-)

(So, did Cid never tell his wife that he made a manikin of her until she found out about it or...?)

Based on the wording used in these cases, I have concluded that while the FF1 world was embroiled in war according to Dissidia, Lufenia does not seem to have been involved outside of Cid & his wife. This is in contrast to SoP, where it is implied that the supposed war between Lufenia and Cornelia that Neon mentions actually happened.

On a tangentially related note, one of the few things that I couldn't find a clean explanation for (and thus one of the few cases I acknowledged the Jack = Dissidia!Garland concept holds weight) is how Garland got to World B. In hindsight, however, I suspect it has something to do with the rift that Chaos opened. As implicated by the woman in the report, the research facility where Chaos opened the rift to World B appears to be the same place as the Chaos Shrine and these events are implied to have taken place at a close enough point that Garland would eventually arrive. This theory isn't perfect, but it's the only hint the game gives as to how Garland ended up on World B.

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