#marvel 199999

[magewardensurana]

Whoever it was that decided earth 199999 should be called '616' I just want a word.

[doesnotloveyou]

i love fandoms that are old/dead because then you have years to decades of dormant accounts and official promos to pore through looking for priceless artifacts and relics to take back to your trove, leaving your respects for creators and usernames long since forgotten

i love fandoms that are tiny and you and the twelve other ppl enjoying it with you are mostly on the same wavelength, or trying to be so no one gets pushed out of the group bc you need each other to keep the joy alive

i love fandoms that are too big for everyone to be familiar with the same things. the fictional universe is so expansive that you can wave at another fan online, but have no clue who their blorbo is or what part of the franchise they're from

[age-of-moonknight]

Variant cover for Phases of the Moon Knight (Vol. 1/2024), #2 by Ryan Meinerding.

[yagistoshinori]

What she says: I’m fine

What she means: In the Spider-Man: Far From Home teaser, Mysterio says that they’re in a multiverse and then dictates the MCU as designation 616 which is ACTUALLY the designation of the original comics universe, which is infinitely different from the current state of the MCU, and Marvel has given the designation for the MCU as 199999 which insinuates it’s NOT an adaptation of the Marvel Universe 616 BUT by saying that the MCU is 616 within the MCU they undermine the legitimacy of the MCU being standalone independent of 616. Does this mean in 199999 they think they’re 616? Does the actual 616 not exist? Because there are a lot of differences between 616 and 199999 and it’s certainly a loose adaptation so they’re not directly correlated. If they’re going for the nerd factor why not be meta asf and acknowledge 199999 as independent from 616?

[illicien]

Earth-199999

I was going to write a big thing about how to keep writing canon compliant fanfics while still keeping your favs after the whole Endgame thing went down, but then something happened and this whole concept bashed me in the head and so I’m going to ramble for a bit in a half-conscious state about the multiverse, the MCU, the designation “Earth-199999″ and just a bunch of thoughts. I hope it’s coherent.

I don’t know if this blew up as much on Tumblr as it did on Twitter, but ever since the Far From Home trailer dropped the “This is Earth-616″ line there’s been a bit of a fuss being kicked up (from myself as well, because listen - you can’t just throw around the designation “616″ and expect people not to react either positively or negatively in one way or another - the easter egg for it in Thor: The Dark World feels to me like where they should have left it but hey, that’s my opinion and isn’t as relevant to this post.) about the knowledge we as fans have been given for years that the MCU is Earth-199999. But what does any of it mean, and why should we care?

First let’s establish some things about the Marvel multiverse and why these numerical designations matter:

The Marvel multiverse has been around in comics for a long while - not forever, but long enough at this point that comics readers are likely to react quickly and easily to “Earth-616″. For those who are unaware, Earth-616 is the primary Marvel comics universe - this is the universe most people are referring to when they talk about comics and share comic panels (aside from that ever present female!Tony kissing Steve Rogers panel, or the panels lately of Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Anthony Stark who currently only has a TRN - a temporary reality number) and as such its history is fairly well developed, with a lot of classic and modern stories falling into it. For comics fans when the multiverse comes up there are a couple of things that come to mind but most recently is likely the Time Runs Out / Incursion storyline for a lot of people. During this event, at the most basic level, a bunch of realities start to crash into each other and it’s a lot of mayhem. This invited short displays into some of the other realities and even eventually led to a lot of people meeting their other selves. It’s complicated to simplify, so I’m not totally sure why I’m trying, but I wanted to give a little context. As for other realities? Well there are a few. Marvel Zombies is Earth-2149 in which the Avengers (and the world) become zombies during an early outbreak. Earth-311 is the 1602 universe in which we can see a lot of very time-period-y characters and set pieces. Earth-1610 is home to the Ultimates Universe, which is just its own big old bag of beans. But for the purposes of this post the only other one that actively matters is Earth-199999 - more well known as the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

What does Mysterio’s indication that their designation is Earth-616 mean?

Ignoring the “Earth-616″ specific designation, the more overarching questions seem to waver between “Are we going to see the multiverse for real, or is Mysterio lying his ass off?” and “Why have we been told it’s Earth-199999 for so long if that’s not the case?” and these are all fascinating questions to think about, and may give hope to those of us still struggling after the finale of Endgame - or at least give us fanfiction writers a lot of room to play! First of all - we’ve already seen the multiverse for real. When the Ancient One “opened” Stephen’s mind in Doctor Strange we saw fragments of it everywhere and if you saw parallels between Stephen’s trippy dream sequence and things that happened in the Quantum Realm in Ant Man/Ant Man and the Wasp - that’s not an accident. You saw things you were supposed to see. Both of these are things that are meant to point and nudge towards early hints of the multiverse. Naturally Infinity War and Endgame both add further to this - Infinity War with Stephen’s snarky “Protecting your reality, douchebag” making it clear that Stephen deals with the multiverse already in some capacity, and the use of the Quantum Realm to slip through time (dimensions?), as well as the conversation Bruce Banner has with the Ancient One about branching timelines. This doesn’t mean Mysterio isn’t lying his ass off in some capacity - but he’s definitely not bullshitting about the multiverse at least. So then we’re left with “Why have we been told it’s Earth-199999 if it’s actually another designation?” And the answer I have to that is not a definitive (obviously) but speculation. I believe the Earth we’re used to and familiar with in the MCU really was Earth-199999 - but that the Earth things took place in from the moment they all returned from the Time Heist may not have been 199999 anymore, but a different Earth altogether. What if the reality they jumped ‘back’ to was simply a reality divergence of their own? Based on what the Ancient One said about the stones themselves affecting the flow of time and whatnot. With the stones of another reality in play it’s highly likely that the reality was at the very least warped in some way - and for many of these stones they came from different realities.

With the way that fanfiction writers happen to write fics and how the multiverse works in Marvel in general, but specifically in the MCU if we take from what the Ancient One had to say a lot of fanfics become far more viable because who knows what tiny changes exist in this literal Alternate Universe? I’m exhausted so I’m going to end this bit of speculation here, but who knows what this universe holds? Fanfic writers, I hope you’re all excited. Keep your favs. Write what makes you happy. Write your angst, write your fluff, write your smut, just write whatever works because let’s face it - Marvel introducing the multiverse means we can all be correct.

[magewardensurana]

My beautiful wife Earth-616 and her evil brother that keeps trying to kill her, Earth-199999

[doesnotloveyou]

they just keep inventing stuff in the mcu and then pretending they didn't. there was one whole movie about other countries copying the iron man suit, and in the antman movies ppl are always trying to steal pym technology, and god forbid i have to hear "super soldier serum" spoken again, but there are dozens of other revolutionary techs in the series that no one in their world talks about?

they invented a time machine/deaging machine for godssake

spider man's spidersilk is made with common chemistry supplies.

there are hologram projecting, flying drones

robot militias/armies have been introduced three times

there's a prison facility that rises out of the ocean

the us military invented robot wings for some reason but only one guy owns a pair

shield has flying cars and a way to bring back the dead

in the first antman they had a handheld gun that shrinks someone AND kills them, and you can just clean up the evidence with a single tissue? uh, useful?

they canonically 3D printed a person!!

none of that even accounts for all the alien tech on the planet!!!

and yet I'm supposed to believe that all this tech stops existing the minute the movie is over. give me a break, that stuff would be leaked and patented by the end of the day. there would be youtube videos on how to make it at home

[doesnotloveyou]

they're bringing back betty ross after 16yrs and i could kill them for that . their target demo wasn't even alive when she was last onscreen