hyunjae | entp vs intp |
yet another unnecessarily long analysis that no one asked for
hes so cute :(
aka i have a fever and don’t want to do calculus so here we are
used personality database data/discussion and made my own decision
theres been a lot of debate about hyunjae being an entp vs intp
and by a lot i mean just on personality database but i must have an answer so here we are
the gist is that we’re all sure hes a XNTP but when it comes to cognitive functions it gets messy cause you’re just working with order
yeah yeah grant vs myers briggs, jungian, can it world
so me being the Ne user i am i need all the information in the world and then make connections
bad news for explaining it is that nobody except me has the exact connotations for what i’m talking about and makes sense in my head
the easiest way for me to explain this is that i use every personality categorization system, astrology, socionics, mbti, enneagram, and type people within each system
after that i start drawing lines between all of the classifications
its very nice for Ne to have a base because otherwise anything i’m trying to explain is more like grandiose hand waving while nobody understands
anyway
each test looks for something different
you can be the same type as someone with mbti but a different enneagram (entp 8w7 vs entp 2w3 - yes we know the 2w3 isn’t normal, he got fucked up as a child)
so i looked at this in a really holistic sense
everything connects to everything
so the final decision is just the culmination of the data that i’ve collected and then made a decision on
disagree if you like :)
btw theres a dissertation below the cut lol
final decision: INTP
its an intp with classic entp enneagram fixes
(person who talked about intp w/ entp enneagram)
the general consensus is that jae is a 7w8
(i have not looked super far i am going off of other peoples information but it feels correct)
argue all u want on the fixes but core is gonna be 7w8
its not uncommon for an INTP to have a 7 core
a wing 8 would make the 7 a little more daring and outgoing than your average 7w6
it would also make an INTP look closer to the ENTP stereotype
also please keep in mind that we see him around his members most of the time and all XNTPs become 10x more social and comfortable around close friends than in a new situation
remember that both ENTPs and INTPs have Fe/Si (opposite orders) as tertiary and inferior
when thrown into a completely new situation both of them have to get a sense of what is going on before doing anything else
for me its pushing until i hit a wall and going “great! now i know where the wall is” and i can avoid it from then on
it may come off as blunt and inappropriate but really we just have 0 clue whats going on until you give us a little time
once you get us in our element engaged in something we find interesting we won’t shut up
i’m using “we” referencing ENTP/INTPs because they do share some fundamental similarities
so assuming hes a 7w8 it would make sense for him to be a little bit more outgoing than your average intp, and considering the amount of time he spends around his members it would also make sense for him to be more comfortable in the environment that he’s super familiar with
overdeveloping an inferior function
sometimes people end up with a really strong tertiary function or super super overdeveloped inferior function
hyunjae is an idol
his fe had to develop faster otherwise PR would be a nightmare and it would just be overall problematic
its the same premise when female ENTPs almost always have more developed Fe than male ENTPs, especially when they’re younger
because females are expected to be more emotional and empathetic than men (fuck you society but aneyway) female entps get exposed to “needing” Fe a lot earlier in life
no you don’t have to develop it, but most of the time its easier to put on a Fe mask and chameleon your way through a situation than fight every dumbass who underestimates you and doesn’t have a brain
“you catch more flies with honey” bullshit
pain in the ass but society dictates...
move on before you go on ur what society expects from females rant girl
where was this going? right
given the circumstances it would make sense for hyunjae to develop his Fe in a way that many INTPs wouldn’t
speaking from my own perspective, XNTPs are able to fit in anywhere because they learned real early that their “normal” behavior was not acceptable, societal or otherwise
without sounding egotistical, the world was not made for XNTPs to function in
our entire society could be categorized as XSXJ
people living in the literal world, in the moment, and people wanting structure and planning
that made 0 sense oh whell
you get a better idea when looking at the cognitive functions
the bottom two are Fe/Si or Si/Fe
XNTPS need context for anything to make an ounce of sense
whether it be with people or situations
if we haven’t experienced a situation before (even a moderately similar one doesn’t help that much) its fucking stressful cause Ne/Ti is running around on a four-wheeler with torches and a blindfold on with Si and Fe frantically trying to put up bumpers before they hit something (ie fuck something up or do something “inappropriate”)
as an idol you have to be very careful with your image
say what you might about whether they should be judged harshly etc etc but its just facts
one wrong move could cause a scandal, hatred towards your group
with that on the line, you naturally are going to be more conscientious about your image, your actions towards people, how others see you
the biggest argument for ENTP is his developed Fe
but as someone whos sitting with a really forcibly developed inferior Si?
all the other information combined makes me say INTP
personal anecdote here:
at 19 entps aren’t usually dealing with Fe that well, let alone Si
but for me, a situation came around that made me develop Si
it was literally: take care of your body, manage your time, fucking feed yourself
or stop living your life in any functioning manner
you know what i chose
so now i’ve got a (relatively speaking to the normal ENTP growth path) overdeveloped Si
its still not great, but it sure is a hell of a lot better than before my life hit the fan
with a career on the line?
you develop that damn Fe lol
sidetracking a little into enneagram territory but it applies here
hyunjae has a SP/SO instinctual stack (more below)
tldr is that hes selfish with his time but also wants to take care of the group around him
for context i’m a SP/SX 8w7
you put SP/SO together and you’re trying to maintain the harmony of the group 1. because you want to and 2. because a harmonious group is less work for you to try and fix every problem that pops up
you would not believe the lengths i will go to to avoid extra interpersonal work
i kid you not i will actively attempt to prevent a problem from happening by steering the conversation or lightly planting ideas when talking to people
to the point that (i admit) it might be more work than if i just let the damn thing play out
because despite my dislike of feelings (and people sometimes) that Fe decides to stick its head out and make me feel morally responsible to do something about the problem
quite annoying when i’ve got other problems going on
as much as i’m sure hyunjae cares deeply about his members, at least a small part of him is doing it because it literally just causes fewer problems to deal with it then than in the future
like *ah, i can tell them to be careful of their image rn and avoid press and the emotional turmoil that will follow later*
that kind of thing
citing that tertiary Si
as stated earlier, the most convincing argument for him being a ENTP is his developed Fe
on the flip side, not being able to find a tertiary Si
i’ll make this argument the most with Ni, but introverted functions are, by nature, harder to spot
the energy goes inwards not outwards, one of the biggest gripes that i have with people is (i’m an entp if you haven’t figure it out) that they underestimate my Ti
when i’m around people i’m using that Ne/Fe
Ne’s spewing off crazy ideas and Fe is a carefree child getting excited by Ne’s suggestion to get ice cream at 2am
they don’t see the Ti
(listen, i would love to nOt use personal anecdotes but i have no other way to explain the mess of connections in my head so you’re welcome)
the most obvious Si to me is his love of iron man
the dude LOVES iron man, and we love him for it
but entps don’t get attached easily
to this day i don’t have a “quote” to live by or favorite movie
him latching on to a character and having it inspire him since he was a child points towards a tertiary, rather than inferior Si
child being the key word there
the only way that my Si manifests when it comes to being sentimental/holding on to the past is with tangible things
my favorite type of sushi, the brand of pens i’ve used for years, the coffee drink that i order at every single shop no matter what (oops)
i said earlier that my Si was developed, it is, but it was such a conscious decision and awareness for me to do so
it doesn’t change the fact that it’s an inferior function for me
hyunjae is very open about his love for iron man, hes attached to past things and ideas
they bring him comfort and inspiration
i believe hyunjae said thank you for inspiring him since he was 7/8?
and entp wouldn’t be using Si like that so young, but an intp? that’s a different story
enneagram instinctual variants/stacking
jae has a SP/SO instinctual stack
i’m not even going to put a disclaimer cause hes textbook tbh
what happens with an SP first instinct is that you are so incredibly stringent with your time and resources
sometimes this gets over-written when in an especially good mental state or when the SP feels they have enough resources
but in general its a “me first, i’ll deal with you people later”
you know those air masks that airplanes have and the “if you have a child secure ur own mask before helping them”
same premise
in a SPs head their wellbeing is more important than others because if they aren’t functioning then how the hell are they supposed to help other people
even a super introverted ENTP (i’m talking about energy wise not cognitive functions) SP instinct or not, is going to be as quiet and, dare i say awkward/uncomfortable in social situation the way that i’ve seen hyunjae be
anecdotal evidence
i have never met an entp that would describe themselves as shy
ambivert? maybe
introverted? also maybe
but shy isn’t usually in the repertoire
this person (here)
said that they have never seen an ENTP look as out of place as hyunjae does sometimes, and honestly? i would have to agree
with his members the Fe is blatantly obvious
but you put him in a new situation?
hes not reading people and opening up like an ENTP would
you give an ENTP about 30 mins and a conversation in any environment they’re gonna be talking to the person about their wedding and three dogs
hyunjae just... doesn’t do that?
in the millennial video jae says that hes the one who will stand up for someone
sometimes to the point of it being detrimental to him
real talk? a SP ENTP would not be doing that most of the time
because it better be a real big thing for me to actively put myself in a bad position for you because then its more work for me personally
Si in the tertiary spot does the same thing that Fe in an entp does
it goes “i know what to do, but the question is will i chose to”
sacrificing his own comfort for someone else’s is both growth in Si (being pushed out of comfort zone causes growth) and also a misuse if it causes him to neglect his own needs
he said that one of his problems is being too blunt and his words being taken the wrong way
entps are calculated
tertiary Fe means that they’re very liable to misuse it (ie manipulate and lie their asses off for fun, which granted, is entertaining sometimes)
when an ENTP decides to say something blunt they know the general outcome of their words
how it might be taken, what will happen afterwards
in essence “you have to know the rules to break the rules”
and damn is that true
when an entp says something rude (or even something that could be perceived as rude 8/10 for this one lol) 9/10 times its so fucking intentional
like i cannot emphasize how intentional those decisions are
if we’re even somewhat familiar with the person involved we know what buttons to press and which ones not to
its when we make the conscious decision to press the button
last one here
you know that tiktok dance challenge for cosmo?
the dude is SHY
i do believe that he hunches over when his turn is done and attempts to avoid eye contact with everyone lol
during the group dance he legitimately stands behind juyeon, doesn’t dance, and then shuffles back off camera
its really an argument against tert Fe here because when put in an uncomfortable positions ENTPs will usually push it off with sarcasm/use Fe to show their discomfort
their feeling goes outwards towards other people while jae doesn’t do the *pushing vibes off self into the room* thing that i’ve found to be common with entps
wheww that was a lot
so have an analysis that nobody asked for… i spent so much time watching hyunjae today and i have no regrets
tbh i really do respect him as a person and this is all speculative/what i’ve deduced from information
quick reminder that this is all for fun and entertainment, and the reality is we don’t know our idols in real life ! !
any time that an idol chooses to open up is a real gift, especially because they don’t have to. they do it as a gift to fans.
i’ll write a long ass thing later about me speaking in definitives but always having the understanding and belief that it is my opinion and not fact
ie when i talk about astrology but don’t even know where i stand on belief but i do use it as a method to categorize and understand people
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hope you enjoyed
stan the boyz
fin :)