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Mishalecki panel at HonCon
I missed the liveblog but are we assuming that the "Hello Dean" happened over the phone? I was literally holding my breath for it.
I’ve only seen the episode once, but I really need watch it again.
My complete, 100% guess, based on set stalker reports and how that episode ended, and the few things we know (aside from COWBOY HATS) that we know about 13.06, I BELIEVE that we’ll be picking up right about where 13.05 ended.
What if... the first thing we we see in 13.06 is the “Hello, Dean?”
Everyone who reblogged your post just to add stupid arguments - what the actual hell? So sorry you have to deal with all that. I'm straight and I don't need a letter in the acronym because it's not about me. I bet those people are the same ones who feel the need to say "white lives matter."
God, you know they are. Honestly, it is slightly my fault for poking the discourse sludge pile. Kind of like hitting a bee hive, only I have a beekeeping suit. Except I like bees. So maybe that’s not a great analogy.
You’re a good ally, friend. [fist bump]
My mom used to get chronic ulcers and she started drinking aloe for it. She'd buy it in big gallon-size jugs and drink about 1/4 cup a day and it helped! It used to be hard to find but I've seen it more places lately, even at some Walmarts.
That’s good to know, thank you. As far as we are aware I’ve not got any ulcers (miraculously) but anything that can keep the acid from burning my throat is a welcome suggestion. The only reason I have been hesitant to buy any is because most aloe juice drinks I see in stores contain a naturally occurring laxative, and I’d rather not burden my system with that if I can help it :P
Re: unpopular opinion, I think that's kind of the point. The clean, special ops feel of the MoL site, all of it just felt so WRONG. This is not what hunting is about. I've seen some spec that Sam is only joining to take them down from the inside, which I can live with.
Hey there!
Yes, I can see how that is the point of the narrative and all. That’s exactly what I mean when I say it lacks depth and finesse. I am biased of course but to me Dabb is simply not handling the narrative well.
Well, it may be that Sam could be thinking about doing that, but tbh that’s not the vibe I personally got from him at all. But of course that may change and show over the next couple of episodes. What seems clear anyway is that in the end the BritMoL will not be the ones to come out of this season as the winners no matter if the Winchesters will take them apart from the inside out or it happens some other way. :)
The only character I feel slightly interested in when it comes to the BritMoL is Mr. Ketch actually. He seems to definitely be playing a key role in the end of some fashion, I assume.
Wait, VioletHaze is YOU? Daaaang
*rips off mask* It sure is!
Wayward Sisters is a Tulpa!
It really is... It’s just such a good tulpa...
Obviously there's been a ton of parallels between Ramiel and Cain but I just thought of something. Do we know that Ramiel was actually doing anything wrong, or was that just part of Mary's cover story? If we look at it from his POV they were actual rude AF breaking in and trying to kill him for no reason and stealing things that had been gifted to him! What if Mary had just told her boys that Ramiel had the Colt and they could have gone and talked to him politely?
It was Mary’s cover story, or at least that’s what I gathered. Somehow the MoL discovered the location of the Colt. And they wanted it.
They collect “toys” like this. Like the egg, like the brass knuckles…
Why did they want it RIGHT NOW? Well, that’s the question, really.
What are their plans here, really? Their info is ALL super-sketchy, you know? HOW DID THEY KNOW THE COLT WAS THERE, DOWN TO THE SCHEMATICS OF THE HOUSE IT WAS STORED IN AND THE PICTURE HIDING THE SAFE IT WAS LOCKED IN, AND YET NOT KNOW IT WAS RAMIEL PRINCE OF HELL THAT OWNED IT?!
They have a terrifyingly cavalier attitude toward the people they’ve contracted to work for them. Meaning, hunters. The soldiers on the ground. The people they give orders to and expect to carry out their deeds. It’s rather sickening, you know?
Ramiel’s ONE condition to Crowley was that he (and his siblings) simply be left alone. No one bothers them, everything will stay hunky-dory.
That’s was Crowley’s motivation for interfering here. Because of the deal he’d made with Ramiel, Crowley has assumed PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for the fact that Ramiel had been “disturbed” by anyone.
Which is really interesting to me, because Crowley’s demons only interfered with our little gang AFTER they’d engaged with Ramiel. Technically they could’ve prevented Mary’s little raiding party from even going in in the first place if they’d been watching the house like they were supposed to.
And I think that comes down to the demon who’d been there with Crowley when the original deal was made.
Remember, when Ramiel offered the throne of Hell to Crowley, he took a minute to feel a bit stunned, and then the other demon– the one who made that little speech about being the demon who killed Sam Winchester?– SHE WAS EAGERLY PREPARED TO ACCEPT THE THRONE OF HELL, and was rather put out that Crowley overrode her and took it himself. She did not seem pleased by this: (note, this is from the rough draft of the transcript. I haven’t put stage directions in yet, but suffice it to say, Demon Lady Looked Pissed)
CROWLEY: I mean, one dares to dream, but what about the others? You’re not the only Prince.RAMIEL: Azazel was a fanatic, a true believer in Lucifer’s plan. But the rest of us? Well, the truth is, we stopped caring a long time ago. Asmodeus has his hobbies. Dagon has her toys. We’re happy where we are. So the crown is yours if you want it. Otherwise… [Ramiel looks to Crowley’s associate]DEMON: Oh, hell ye–CROWLEY: I’ll take it. I mean, I graciously accept.RAMIEL: Swell, but there is one thing.CROWLEY: Nothing comes without a price.RAMIEL: Well, this should be easy enough. Leave us alone. And make sure everyone else does the same. If anyone– anything– bothers a Prince of Hell, that’s gonna be on your head, Crowley. And you don’t wanna know what happens when you piss us off.CROWLEY: I humbly accept your terms.
So, aside from being pissed at Crowley, she knows the full terms of the deal. She knows it’s Crowley’s head on the chopping block if the terms of the deal are violated– i.e. if ANYONE or ANYTHING bothers a Prince of Hell.
Well, methinks Demon Lady (sorry she’s not actually named, which only ADDS to the feeling that she would feel Wronged by Crowley’s deal) was actually COUNTING on someone breaking the deal…
She’s been stuck on the most boring guard duty of all time, when she’d been half a word away from sitting on the Throne of Hell herself.
Why not let someone bother Ramiel? It would piss him off enough to go after Crowley, and then she’d be perfectly positioned to take the Throne.
SHE WAITED UNTIL AFTER THEY’D FOUGHT RAMIEL TO MAKE A MOVE.
She didn’t interfere when Mary and Wally were staking the place out that morning. She didn’t interfere when FIVE PEOPLE walked up to the house and began setting out a trap. She knew perfectly well who these people were, too.
My bet? SHE WAS THE ONE WHO TIPPED THE BMOL OFF TO THE LOCATION OF THE COLT. She’s the only other one who knew where it was, after all…
She WANTED all of this to happen. She USED the BMoL to set off this chain of events that would eventually lead to her taking over Hell. She wasn’t expecting to get stabbed in the back by Dean Winchester…
She relied on the MoL’s greed for shiny toys. Assumed Ramiel would handle the intruders, and then rush off to murder Crowley. Her and her associate showing up to finish off the Winchesters would put her on the spot to accept the Throne once Crowley was dead.
Mary was only given the limited information that Lady Demon wanted the MoL to have. The text messages she exchanges with “Hobbits” are quite revealing: (transcribed exactly as they appeared on screen):
“What the hell did you do? The demon had yellow eyes!” She receives a reply a minute later, “Wasn’t us. Bad intel. You Can’t stay there. He will find you.”
I think that “bad intel” could’ve only come from Lady Demon. To her, the Colt was simply bait in her own play for power.
From Mary’s pov, she only knew that a demon was in possession of the Colt. Telling Sam and Dean that would only lead to them “asking the wrong questions,” wondering HOW she could possibly know that…
They’d start digging, rather than storm the place with bad intel… They’d at least probably call Crowley in for intel… and then they’d know the entire truth about the Colt, about Ramiel, and Crowley would’ve known WHO betrayed him (Lady Demon, the only other person on the planet who knows Ramiel even had the Colt), and they never would’ve put themselves into that position in the first place.
From MARY’S POV, she assumed if she told them about the Colt, they’d ask questions that would lead them to guessing or proving that she was actually working from the BMoL, and she knows first-hand that THEY WOULD DISAPPROVE:
From the Mary POV scene at Raul’s Diner:
WALLY: You meet them fancy Men of Letters?SAM: British Men of Letters?DEAN: Yeah, they got gear, but, uh, you know they tried to kill my brother.SAM: All right. Internet’s up. We’re in business.MARY: Everything’s gonna be fine.
THIS CONSTITUTES FOUR OF THE SEVEN LINES OF DIALOGUE FROM MARY’S POV IN THE DINER. This was the information that was important to her POV. Fear of the source of her intel being discovered, Wally bringing up the MoL and Dean’s response.