#spn 12.12

[virtu4l-di4ry]

cas confessing to dean in 12.12 and then last second being like “actually i love all of you.” is so fucking hilarious. bro waiting until he was dying AND STILL BACKED OUT 😭😭😭

[idontwikeit]

I'll come back When you call me No need to say goodbye

-The Call by Regina Spektor

[mittensmorgul]

I might be missing something obvious but why did Lucifer not need Nick's consent to use his body as a vessel?

I assume you mean when Crowley shoved him back into Nick's body in 12.08? Using a modified version of Rowena's "send him directly to the cage" spell and the banishing egg... heck what was that thing called... THE HYPERBOLIC PULSE GENERATOR, right.

>.>

Honestly, for me? The only part of that whole situation was that Nick was apparently STILL IN THERE TOO.

In 12.13, Crowley describes to Lucifer how he crammed him back in Nick's vessel. And you know what, I'm not putting a bunch of Eugenie villain monologue dialogue here, because I am just too tired lol. If you want to read start here:

http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/12.13_Family_Feud_(transcript)

from the first FLASHBACK scene (just search that word on that page, it takes you right there)

Davy TRIES to make it make sense in 12.15, explaining how Nick's body was effectively made into the cage:

CROWLEY: That chain around your neck? Was nothing. A stylish accessory. This vessel… That's your true prison. It's been warded with runes and spellwork from the Cage, carved into every molecule. In there? I own you. [ Sighs ] I'm just getting started. So… I'm gonna put you back in your hole, and then I'm gonna go find your spawn, and I'm gonna rip him apart while you watch. And then? I'm still just getting started. [Crowley punches Lucifer in the face]

I remember being like YES CROWLEY DOES HAVE A PLAN, THIS WILL ALL MAKE SENSE EVENTUALLY. Like... why would he of ALL people not want to shove Lucifer into the cage and lock it back up? It just made NO SENSE.

And all Davy's hard work at laying down a coherent explanation for HOW he was crammed in there falls apart in the next bucklemming episode with all the wtf "polarity reversal" nonsense. And Lucifer taking back control of his vessel and having that same sort of power over Crowley.

WHY. IT WAS ALL SO STUPID.

Things Crowley could've done after 12.17 but for some reason did not:

-recruit the winchesters for help, confessing what he did with lucifer -rebuilt the Lance of Michael (Davy in 12.12 again trying to give us a weapon that could stop Lucifer... and Crowley breaking it to save Cas... he and Cas had a mutual interest in killing Lucifer at this point...) -asked for Rowena's help sending Lucifer back to the actual cage... or HONESTLY if Crowley understood her spell enough to pervert its course to send Luci to Nick's body, he should've been able to do this one himself... >.>

Probably half a dozen other things that would've made more sense... but no...

The show wanted Lucifer/Nick more than it wanted Crowley, which... ugh...

Which brings us to the end of s13, and Lucifer's demise. I assumed that would actually be the last we'd see of him. *ugly laughing*

But no, apparently whatever magic Crowley had used to forge the Nick Vessel for Crowley required Nick's soul actually being in there? Which as you point out with your question is... nonsensical...

The phrase "discarded vessel" Crowley uses in his first convo with re-envesseled Lucifer implies "empty," i.e. that Nick was no longer in there. Knowing what we do of Nick, and the assumption that he was dead after 5.22, the logical conclusion was that he went to Hell and Crowley just shoved him in the "cage vessel" with Lucifer, or otherwise used his soul in the reconstruction of that vessel into something equivalent to the Cage. I think they were hoping there was enough flimflam in there for us to just handwave that one and not think too hard about it.

Which is honestly how I approach all Eugenie plot points. The most unfortunate thing is how it clearly affects the rest of canon, with Lucifer and then Nick overstaying their plot welcome by a decade. Though I do appreciate the other writers doing their best to point out how Lucifer's entire plot out beyond s11 revolved around how he felt he'd been rendered irrelevant to the story, and always fighting to center himself in the narrative as if anyone cared about him at all. Even Chuck just... dismissed him, basically. So... at least we have that shred of satisfaction?

But yeah, it's... it's exhausting, and this is the best explainer I've been able to come up with for any of it. I should probably have some more coffee and read this over to make sure I didn't miss anything big, but I just don't want to devote any more brain power to thinking about Nick rn... maybe later. :'D

[foxthefanboi]

12x12 - Stuck in the Middle (With You)

[destielette1]

The lack of tact runs in the celestial family 🤷‍♀️

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Bonus:

In the family by marriage too

[teamfreewill2pointo]

SPN parallels: You… All of you. [Love version. See Full version here.]

12.12, 13.23, 14.09

[thayerkerbasy]

I just saw you're still not over Crowley's death and I wanted to say, me neither. It was pointless and stupid and cruel and I miss him so very, very much. You're not alone <3

The thing is, I see what they were going for.  He was in love, it was unrequited, he had nothing to live for without that, so he killed himself for The Cause.  Unfortunately, that storytelling trope is so ten years ago and we’re not so willing to buy it as we were back then.

They teased us with Crowley voluntarily offering to close the gates of Hell so he could hang out topside with the Winchesters without any other demons.  I would have loved that.  What I wouldn’t give for a Crowley who chose to become human again so he could truly feel, and then had to learn how to be a decent person because that was the only way to get Sam, Dean, and Cas to like him.  Give me a Crowley struggling with being human, learning to hunt like Cas did, maybe manning the research station in the library, becoming a proper Man of Letters to help the Winchesters.  Show me a demon who turned over a new leaf to become a better man than he was in life.

And yes, I know, Crowley was easily a better person than Fergus was, but he only ever got halfway there.  There was a whole other half to that journey and it was cut short because someone felt the need for a tragic love triangle.  Yes, we know, Dean likes Cas better.  Crowley figured that out too, which is why his song in 12x12 was Not For Me.  He knew that ship had sailed and accepted it.

Someone needs to tell the writers that friendship can be rewarding too.  Crowley just wanted someone to give a damn about him.  That’s what kills me most about his death.  He died feeling unwanted.  His mother didn’t love him, his son died, Cas wouldn’t even thank Crowley for saving his life, Sam never liked him, and Dean… Dean was his one actual friend, but because of that asinine drawn out Lucifer thing in the second half of the season, Dean was angry with Crowley (rightfully so, but I still blame Dabb and Buckleming for that), so Crowley died feeling utterly alone.

So no, I’m not over Crowley’s death.  It was a cheap way to put him in the show’s good books and he should have had the chance to earn his way there without dying.  “Bad guys” so often can only be redeemed in death, but Crowley was never a true villain.  He existed in shades of grey, and I think the worst thing is that he didn’t realize which side he truly belonged on until it was too late.

[samgirl2552]

12x12 | Stuck in the Middle (With You)