#ml powers

[generalluxun]

Re: Lila not needing to be transformed. Gabriel has shown that unlike all the other miraculous, the butterfly doesn’t need to be transformed to akumatize people, just to create the Akuma. It’s unclear if he can control them when not transformed, tho we do know there is sometimes a distance limitation and sometimes not, so the exact limitations of the butterfly are pretty vague at best for what is trying to be a semi-hard magic system.

Off the top of my head Gabriel is untransformed for Akuma in the first collector episode and in Simon Says (unless you believe that he is running in and out of his lair between scenes), however the episode Ladybug has the akumatization end when he de-transforms to help Nathalie.

He also cannot control Akuma over long distances (Star train) but then he can later (Intuition).

While on the topic of inconsistent powers, the butterfly is shown to only be able to make one Akuma at a time unless supported by an akuma like the crimson moth situation. Ditto the peacock where the user only makes one senti at a time but other users can also have active senti. LB has been shown that her lucky charm vanishes when she summons another one. However Fury is able to paralyze multiple ppl at the same time. She clearly venoms the three guys threatening André separately before super speeding them away all together. But I guess Astruc said those scenes are all animated wrong so idk if we can actually use them to analyze power mechanics.

Astruc: If it's an inconsistency it's either someone else 's fault or it's actually not an inconsistency.

The funny thing is, if he didn't crow so loudly about how perfect it all is, some hiccups would be extremely easy to just ignore. People don't analyze MLP or Kim Possible for lore issues.

[richard-hei-long]

Miraculous Ladybug: More Powers!

Ok, so we know how the Power System in Miraculous Ladybug is awful, right?

Well I was thinking: Why not make our own Powers?

My friend and I have been discussing this for a while now(Like, a year or two). And have already made a lot of Miraculous Powers ourselves.

Although to be fair, we kinda cheated by making each Kwami represent multiple concepts of the universe, so there's much more flexibility with what we were allowed to make.

But still, if you have any Power Ideas of your own, please make some! Because who knows if they might show up in a fanfiction or something.

(Asuki has a folder with over 14k words worth of Powers and she still isn't satisfied!)

[gale-gentlepenguin]

Miraculous Ladybug: Fusion powers (Cat Addition)

(Because I am on a fusion kick)

Cat + Ladybug : Matter manipulation OR Reality warping (Considering the wish. not a stretch and same as mentioned in the other post)

Cat + Fox = Sensory Deprivation (Allows the user to completely remove one of the users Senses such as sight or smell)

Cat + Turtle = Destructive shield (any object or projectile that comes in contact with the shield is destroyed.

Cat + Bee = Rule Breaker : Allows the user to ignore an established law of nature (such as conservation of energy,)

Cat + Peacock = Hollow : Allows the user to create a creature that embodies the emotion it’s made from AND removes that emotion from the target. (Such as happiness, anger, etc)

Cat + Butterfly = Obedient servant: completely erases emotions from akumatized leaving them completely under the sway of user

Cat + Dragon = natural Disaster : Turns the user into the element, And makes them into a natural disaster, a Flood, a Hurricane, or a Tornado.

Cat + Snake = Chrono Denial: Let’s the user Change the loop by removing one element involved when the user goes back.

Cat + Dog = Search and destroy: The user is able to focus and locate an item by giving an order to the ball, the ball will track down the item or individual and will not stop until it makes contact. Destroying the target

Cat + Tiger = Obliterate: The attack combines the powerful strike of Clout and Cataclysm creating an attack guaranteed in destroying whatever is hit.

Cat + Mouse = Plague: The user creates tiny copies of themselves and sends them out to weaken multiple targets. Usually individuals

Cat + Goat = Exodus: The user creates an item and every iteration of the item made is destroyed except for the one held by the cat.

Cat + Rooster = Curse: The user enchants an item or individual with a debilitating effect that they must deal with until being cured or the user removed it.

Cat + Pig = Nightmare: It shows the user their worst fears.

Cat + Rabbit: Paradox: Allows the user to alter the timeline in a way that normally can’t be done. Even bringing multiple of the same person.

Cat + Ox: Rampage: Covers the user in destructive energy and destroys anything they touch while being immune to powers against the user.

Cat + Monkey: Anti joke: The user turns something silly or harmless into something deadly and dangerous

Cat + Horse: Black hole: User creates a portal that destroys anything that goes into it

[gostosadeazulpassando]

How am i going to organize my Miraculous' remakes: Part 2/2 - Reworking on the Miraculouses' powers

When I was looking for reworks of Miraculous powers for inspiration, I stumbled upon this post. Literally spent the whole night processing the amount of information the text contained

So when I finally understood everything and organized my thoughts, I started writing, taking all the references in the post into account, but adapting everything to my personal tastes and current powers after all of them were finally revealed (OP's post is from 2019) since I don't want to leave a drastic change, because analyzing well, the canon powers match perfectly with each holder.

According to OP, following the Yin Yang, Wu Xing and Sheng Xiao symbolisms more accurately, the division of powers should look like this:

Ladybug and Cat Miraculouses - Five powers

Fox, Bee, Turtle, Peacock and Butterfly Miraculouses - Two powers

Mouse, Ox, Tiger, Rabbit, Dragon, Snake, Horse, Goat, Monkey, Rooster, Dog and Pig Miraculouses - Only one power

"Why?" You may ask. And here is the answer. The Ladybug and Cat Miraculouses are the most powerful Miraculouses of the most powerful Miracle Box; They represent the Yin and Yang, concepts of Taoism that expose the duality of everything that exists in the universe and describe the two opposing and complementary fundamental forces. It really made sense to me that they should've had more than one power.

Thing is, they already have. Ladybug explicitly has 2 powers (3 if you consider capturing akumas and amoks as a particular power) which are Lucky Charm and the Miraculous Ladybug's cure. The issue with Chat Noir and Cataclysm is something I will address further down.

Back to the explanation, now I need to talk about the Wu Xing so that things make sense later.

The 5 phases theory, which is a more correct translation, states that wood (木), fire (火), earth (土), metal (金) and water (水) are the basic elements that form the material world.

There would be an interaction and reciprocal control between them that would determine their state of constant movement and change. They also represent the passage of time, seasons, cardinal directions, organs of the human body, cosmic periods and are even linked with properties of medicine.

There are four cycles: the generating one, the weakening, insulting and controlling. This concept would be something cool to play with, with all the possibilities of combinations, but I admit that it would be something more complex than it already is.

Apparently, Thomas took inspiration not from the colors of each element, but from what they represent. Still following OP's logic, each power and animal chosen would be derived from what the element affects and express. Therefore, the pattern would be:

Wood -> Mind -> Fox (Illusion)

Fire -> Energy -> Bee (Subjection)

Earth -> Body -> Turtle (Protection)

Metal -> Soul -> Peacock (Emotion)

Water -> Heart -> Butterfly (Transmission)

And each element would have its Yin and Yang ability, as it encompasses the Wu Xing. Every Yin ability would be more defensive/supportive/passive/collective, while every Yang ability would be more offensive/agressive/active/individual, so i came to this conclusion:

Fox

• Wood/Mind (Yin): Defense - Mirage

• Wood/Mind (Yang): Offense - ?

Bee

• Fire/Energy (Yin): Defense - ?

• Fire/Energy (Yang): Offense - Venom

Turtle

• Earth/Body (Yin): Defense - Shell-ter

• Earth/Body (Yang): Offense - ?

Peacock

• Metal/Soul (Yin): Defense - Amokization

• Metal/Soul (Yang): Offense - ?

Butterfly

• Water/Heart (Yin): Defense - Akumatization

• Water/Heart (Yang): Offense - ?

Now that I've determined the mind, energy, body, mind and heart thing, we can go back to the Ladybug and Cat Miraculouses.

As I said, the Yin Yang encompasses the Wu Xing, so Ladybug and Chat Noir's powers most likely would work that way:

Ladybug (Yang)

• Positive Mind: Inspiration - ?

• Positive Energy: Creation - Lucky Charm

• Positive Body: Strength - ?

• Positive Soul: Life - ?

• Positive Heart: Healing - Miraculous Ladybug cure

Cat (Yin)

• Negative Mind: Insanity/Madness - ?

• Negative Energy: Destruction - Cataclysm

• Negative Body: Weakness - ?

• Negative Soul: Death - ?

• Negative Heart: Toxicity - ?

But do you guys remember the thing I said about Chat Noir and his only power being Cataclysm in canon, unlike Ladybug? So, reading some Thomas Astruc's replies on Twitter, I discovered something quite interesting.

He confirmed that the Cat Miraculous' power is not to destroy anything per say. It's actually making something bad, in general, happen to what he touches; this is why Sentimonsters totally lose control and go berserk when hit by a Cataclysm. "The bad thing" that happens is the connection between them and their owners being interrupted.

To make something disappear from existence is annihilation, which is different from destruction, the official Cat Miraculous concept. The very name "Cataclysm" means disaster or catastrophe, which is why there is an association with bad luck or jinx. So basically I'll just be putting each possible effect under 5 distinct names according to the related element. Easy.

Finally, moving on to the Sheng Xiao, the Chinese Zodiac. There are 12 animals in total, which I already mentioned above. Getting to this point, I would also like to mention that I even researched what animals represent the Yin Yang and Wu Xing, just to check the consistency of Thomas. At the end, I wanted to say that I totally understand why he put the animals we currently have in the box.

The animals that represent the Yin and Yang are, respectively, Tiger and Dragon. Two animals that we already got in the zodiac. Gets worse with Wu Xing: Wood and Earth are represented by two more dragons, a Azure one (Qing Long) and a Golden one (Huang Long), while Fire, Metal and Water are the Vermilion Bird (Zhu Que), White Tiger (Bai Hu) and Black Tortoise (Xuan Wu), the last two being just varieties of animals that we already got in the box.

Back to the original matter again, shall we? All the signs within the zodiac are only equivalent and defined by a single element out of all the five and just one side of the Yin Yang, and that's what I'm going to use as a base to change the powers or just improve them. The list goes:

Mouse

• Water/Heart (Yang): Multitude

Ox

• Earth/Body (Yin): Resistance

Tiger

• Wood/Mind (Yang): Clout

Rabbit

• Wood/Mind (Yin): Burrow

Dragon

• Earth/Body (Yang): Elemental Storm Dragons or Wind, Lightning and Water Dragon

Snake

• Fire/Energy (Yin): Second Chance, honestly this is one that I might even have to change the name, maybe to something like Hypnosis – quite cliché I know

Horse

• Fire/Energy (Yang): Voyage

Goat

• Earth/Body (Yin): Genesis

Monkey

• Metal/Soul (Yang): Uproar

Rooster

• Metal/Soul (Yin): Sublimation

Dog

• Earth/Body (Yang): Fetch

Pig

• Water/Heart (Yin): Gift

I must say that I honestly don't intend to completely adapt, specifically the Sheng Xiao's animals powers, to the Yin Yang and Wu Xing molds, as it would completely change the powers, their symbolism, and their matchings with each canon holder, something I don't want because it would cause a mess in my head and I particularly appreciate the original content and stuff on the show. But I promise that I'll try my hardest to make at least some of them still contain precision.

Just like the other part of the posts about the remakes (the one that talks about how I am going to redesign the heroes' outfits), that end up in this one, I'll leave it to reveal the Miraculouses powers' changes in each individual post that addresses a particular hero.

Since this was a loooong text, I hope you enjoyed reading this far. Thanks for the attention!!!

And once again, credits to @loosescrewslefty

[gale-gentlepenguin]

Would using a Virtuous help reverse the effects of a Malicious?

Yes, The Virtuous have a cleansing effect, so using it would help combat the malicious.

But the reverse is also true.

[gale-gentlepenguin]

ML realization: Power limitations

Hawkmoth and Mayura’s powers would suck if they were under the same time restrictions as the heroes.

The champions/ Senti monsters they make would only last 5 minutes. Which would be fine if they are supporting other heroes, but it really limits their abilities when they are on their own. Or they could only control their akuma/ beasts for 5 minutes before they go wild. Though the former would likely be the more realistic limitation.

With the limitations set in place, Hawkmoth and Mayura’s positions on the wheel make sense, it would actually be pretty balanced.

But as a big bad guy, that limit would really tone down the threat level.

It actually says a lot that Ladybug and Chat noir are able to fight someone who can use their power unlimited, when they can only use it once.

[heravenueexpert-blog]