#mlb salt

[jennrypan]

Like..Adrien seriously has no one in his corner.

Adrien doesnt have Plaggs support the way Marinette has Tikkis. Cuz otherwise he would've told Adrien the truth.

His grandparents are effectively useless cuz they only came into his life because the rings. (Gabriels parents arent evil but..they also weren't exactly doing much for him his entire childhood either.) Natalie JUST decided to intervene with Gabriels plans but she STILL continues to lie to him.

Felix and Kagami, people who should be on his side continue to lie to him..MARINETTE is lying to him and hes not allowed to properly reflect on how Gabriel treated him. He cant confide in Nino cuz the secret identity nonsense that only applies to him for some reason. (Once again proving that hes lowkey a better holder cuz NO ONE knows his identity except Luka. Even though He cant even talk to that guy either so it reallt doesnt matter what he knows fr 🤷‍♀️)

Its just insane that we're suppose to be rooting for this couple but Marinette is a terrible friend and girlfriend and shes been consistently like this for several seasons and episodes now. There is no saving grace to this because her ONLY reason for lying at this point..is cuz shes scared Adrien will break up with her..which he should.

..MAN IM STILL PISSEDDDD THIS SHOW HAUNTS MY NARRATIVE!!

[kathrahender]

"People hate Marinette because she's a hero with a gray morality"

No, my problem doesn't come from the fact that she's not 100% good. My problem comes from the fact that people love to paint her as a perfect and morally pure good heroine when she isn't one, and my problem also comes from the fact that the show itself doesn't acknowledge how terrible are her stalking and her behavior in some situations/with some characters.

[mother-of-platypus]

I saw people called Lila being more evil than Gabe bcs she akumatize Gina while she grieves for Roland's impending death, as if Gabe wouldn't have done the exact same thing. The same guy who instantly physically assaulted his own son when he learned he's Chat Noir, no guilt.

Gabe would do that 100% any time of the week, while sipping champagne from a bowl. He would make an even worse pun out of it and post it on his side blog. The writers just don't find anyone worth that kind of evil other than Marinette.

[angelshizuka]

Spoiled mean girl characters are as old as time and there's generally nothing wrong with them, but it becomes a problem when you can tell they're written by a middle aged man who genuinely believes that's the worst thing a (teenage) girl can be.

[scrivello-10]

ok so this most likely won’t be my last post regarding Chloé

but out of my own curiosity, where did the “the writers/Thomas Astruc ruined her redemption” thing come from?

like the writing of the characters was done intentionally; the writers didn’t just decide one day to switch up on the characters

Chloé’s arc had her start out as a bully, become slightly better as a hero, only to fall back on old habits. like don’t get me wrong, you don’t have to like the choice, but treating it as a “oh the writers changed her redemption” isn’t really correct

the writers had an arc planned for Chloé - that being the one we see in the show.

imo, it seems like the fans/stans thought that her becoming a hero was a sign of the possibility of a redemption existing, but when the show didn’t end up going that way, they blamed it on the writers for not writing how the stans wanted them to

with her becoming a caricature of a bully/antagonist, i personally think that it’s a way for the writers to say “y’all she’s really not getting a redemption; stop asking/complaining”

like taking the bullying and villainy to an extreme is the writers trying to reinforce that she was always going to end up as an antagonist, contrary to what her fans wanted

and again, y’all are under zero obligation to like the choices, but blaming the writers for choosing something y’all don’t like isn’t some massive betrayal

and don’t get me wrong, the quality of her writing dropped significantly, but i think that’s a result of the constant asking and complaining related to the non-existent redemption

[sunsetosirias]

I'm most likely repeating what other people have said before but I found this post on Pinterest that I wanted to talk about for a bit; I censored the name because I don't want people going after them.

The part that my brain latched onto was "would people wanna know Gabriel was monarch?" If I were part of the Parisian Public who'd been emotionally tormented by a magical terrorist for roughly a year, had my body transfigured against my will who knows how many times, and whose only means of protection against anything becoming permanent were magically enhanced teens, I would want to know the identity of my tormentor, so I know they'd been properly dealt with and can't continue to hurt me anymore.

Marinette isn't protecting anyone with her plethora of lies, what she's doing is denying them closure. If people knew Gabriel was Monarch and Gabriel is now dead, they won't have to worry about him possibly returning to torment them or help someone else torment them.

"Oh, but they might blame Adrien because he's Gabriel's son, and they'd think they worked together. Marinette had to lie for Adrien." But Marinette as Ladybug could've easily explained that Adrien didn't know his father was Monarch as Gabriel hid everything from him instead of willingly choosing to lie that Gabriel was a hero because she was uncomfortable about a truth she had zero rights to cover from those that need to know.

The lies aren't protecting anyone because the longer the lies are upheld, the larger the metaphorical statue of Hero Gabriel will continue to grow, the harder the debris of the broken idol will crush all those who believed the lie under the weight of the inevitable truth.

All of the pain is due to Marinette barging in and deciding who is "worthy" of knowing what she as Ladybug deems is the truth, no matter who else gets severely burned as long as she's not close to the flames she not only started, but is actively feeding.

[thoughts-of-a-cypress]

One huge thing that gets me about Marinette is the canon FACT that she's a selfish fucking asshole (with Robert Robertson's III words if you know ball)

Not only does she barely face any actual consequences of her actions, she simply doesn't care as long as she can get away with everything. She didn't care she harassed Sublime and Kagami cause they dared breathing next to her golden prince charming, she only cared when something happened that can expose her - you can't hide broken prosthetics.

She doesn't care she failed her duty as Ladybug when Gabriel won and made his wish. She only cares to keep Adrien at bay so she can maintain her perfect little dollhouse of a relationship with golden boy who needs to remain perfect for her. Cold day in hell when he's allowed to properly grieve or let out any emotion other than "I love my girlfriend" last time he tried she let herself get akumatized to manipulate him into staying with her making it his problem she's this selfish.

She doesn't care how hurt Adrien feels. That boy is a damn orphan at 15 who lost both his parents in the same year, not only that but neither was truly the epitome of good parenthood so his feelings are extra conflicted. But no, keep him away from therapy cause he might find out about the lie. Keep him wrapped up in bubble foil not for his own good but for her own! You understand she can't let him be mad at her do you? It's gonna hurt her poor heart 😔

She uses people to vent but she won't give anyone the luxury to be a shoulder to cry on herself. No, how dare they? She doesn't care how forcing Nathalie into the lie might reflect on her. Bad enough she was Mayura but she was ready to talk to Adrien and come clean. Now imagine Adrien finds out his trusted mother figure was involved in the big lie. It's two birds with one stone but make it negative. By now they could both work through their relationship since the truth is out. But they can't and Adrien doesn't know it yet. Everyone forced into the lie gets the shorter end of the stick in the end while it will be Marinette who will once again be babied. Nathalie must lie AND be a comfort she can rely on when they had no previous relationship before whatsoever.

The big lie itself - babygirl doesn't care about the monster she created, she fears it might run loose and people finally find out about her creation. As long as it's locked up she's safe and that's how she wants it to maintain

[ozzo-the-wozzo]

I’m not one to usually salt on the show, but man are the weakest episodes in the latter seasons always the Chloe ones. They always feel like a jab at fans rather than their own actually useful thing that moves the plot and characters along, and I’m soooo sick of it like Astruc give it a REST already!!! You already sent her away! Genuinely so what if a bunch of people still wanted her to have a redemption arc- u are a grown ass man who needs to accept that fandoms will do their own thing like who cares 😭☠️

Initially (despite being a HUGE fan of the core five) I didn’t care much about Chloe’s redemption being abandoned/reversed/never a thing (apparently), at least not as much as other people. It felt more like the writers thought to themselves maybe we shouldn’t excuse bullying and even though I thought it was a little dumb, I was chill with letting them do their thing (esp since Chloe had some racist moments in earlier seasons so tbh I really can’t care as much as some of yall sorryyyy lmfao). But ironically now I DO care for the sole reason it has gotten soooo annoying to watch these patronizing episodes over and over again. Outside of Chloe herself, I feel like these are the episodes that are the most childish and where characters are the most ooc (don’t even get me STARTED on Collusion/ Revolution and the fact all of Paris just let a teenager take over 🫩). And yesss yes I know miraculous is a baby show but I still feel like there’s such a level of unseriousness in the Chloe episodes that is exhausting to sit through.

Idk, I guess I was just super duper excited for this episode since it was hyped up, only for it to rehash things we’ve gone through a million and one times because Astruc is getting bullied by teenagers on Twitter. Shits exhausting man and I hope it’s REALLY done for good now 😞