#mlb salt

[kathrahender]

"People hate Marinette because she's a hero with a gray morality"

No, my problem doesn't come from the fact that she's not 100% good. My problem comes from the fact that people love to paint her as a perfect and morally pure good heroine when she isn't one, and my problem also comes from the fact that the show itself doesn't acknowledge how terrible are her stalking and her behavior in some situations/with some characters.

[mother-of-platypus]

I saw people called Lila being more evil than Gabe bcs she akumatize Gina while she grieves for Roland's impending death, as if Gabe wouldn't have done the exact same thing. The same guy who instantly physically assaulted his own son when he learned he's Chat Noir, no guilt.

Gabe would do that 100% any time of the week, while sipping champagne from a bowl. He would make an even worse pun out of it and post it on his side blog. The writers just don't find anyone worth that kind of evil other than Marinette.

[angelshizuka]

Spoiled mean girl characters are as old as time and there's generally nothing wrong with them, but it becomes a problem when you can tell they're written by a middle aged man who genuinely believes that's the worst thing a (teenage) girl can be.

[scrivello-10]

ok so this most likely won’t be my last post regarding Chloé

but out of my own curiosity, where did the “the writers/Thomas Astruc ruined her redemption” thing come from?

like the writing of the characters was done intentionally; the writers didn’t just decide one day to switch up on the characters

Chloé’s arc had her start out as a bully, become slightly better as a hero, only to fall back on old habits. like don’t get me wrong, you don’t have to like the choice, but treating it as a “oh the writers changed her redemption” isn’t really correct

the writers had an arc planned for Chloé - that being the one we see in the show.

imo, it seems like the fans/stans thought that her becoming a hero was a sign of the possibility of a redemption existing, but when the show didn’t end up going that way, they blamed it on the writers for not writing how the stans wanted them to

with her becoming a caricature of a bully/antagonist, i personally think that it’s a way for the writers to say “y’all she’s really not getting a redemption; stop asking/complaining”

like taking the bullying and villainy to an extreme is the writers trying to reinforce that she was always going to end up as an antagonist, contrary to what her fans wanted

and again, y’all are under zero obligation to like the choices, but blaming the writers for choosing something y’all don’t like isn’t some massive betrayal

and don’t get me wrong, the quality of her writing dropped significantly, but i think that’s a result of the constant asking and complaining related to the non-existent redemption

[jennrypan]

Season 6 is literally just how many side characters can we force into the plot and make important despite the over inflated cast to begin with and how many shitty adults can we excuse cuz they just "love too much/its the child's fault"

Cuz..why is Audrey allowed to verbally abuse her daughter since she was a child, abandon her and come back to do it again..only to have Two random ass kids out of no where..and then no one says shit. Chloe is just suppose to be a happy little Marinette 2.0 (like Zoe.) ??? After..Andre spoiled her rotten by doing whatever she said and tossing gifts and money at her instead of parenting..but its fine cuz He was just so abused by his scary wife and she was just so mean to him 🥺

Fucks sake.

[ozzo-the-wozzo]

I’m not one to usually salt on the show, but man are the weakest episodes in the latter seasons always the Chloe ones. They always feel like a jab at fans rather than their own actually useful thing that moves the plot and characters along, and I’m soooo sick of it like Astruc give it a REST already!!! You already sent her away! Genuinely so what if a bunch of people still wanted her to have a redemption arc- u are a grown ass man who needs to accept that fandoms will do their own thing like who cares 😭☠️

Initially (despite being a HUGE fan of the core five) I didn’t care much about Chloe’s redemption being abandoned/reversed/never a thing (apparently), at least not as much as other people. It felt more like the writers thought to themselves maybe we shouldn’t excuse bullying and even though I thought it was a little dumb, I was chill with letting them do their thing (esp since Chloe had some racist moments in earlier seasons so tbh I really can’t care as much as some of yall sorryyyy lmfao). But ironically now I DO care for the sole reason it has gotten soooo annoying to watch these patronizing episodes over and over again. Outside of Chloe herself, I feel like these are the episodes that are the most childish and where characters are the most ooc (don’t even get me STARTED on Collusion/ Revolution and the fact all of Paris just let a teenager take over 🫩). And yesss yes I know miraculous is a baby show but I still feel like there’s such a level of unseriousness in the Chloe episodes that is exhausting to sit through.

Idk, I guess I was just super duper excited for this episode since it was hyped up, only for it to rehash things we’ve gone through a million and one times because Astruc is getting bullied by teenagers on Twitter. Shits exhausting man and I hope it’s REALLY done for good now 😞

[kohjooteshi]

Okay but does anyone remember when some ppl in the fandom believed that Chloe would have her redemption in s5 by noticing her reaction to Shadow Moth's victory at the end of s4? I also had this hope but the complete opposite happened, season 5 was where the writers wanted to say that Chloe was beyond redemption, that made me really sad, really, because I could still see potential in her character even if they say no so many times to her development.

[jana2071]

*Mlb writers try not to treat Luka like trash challenge [impossible]*