#nat cw

[staringtowardthestars]

It is probably not good for my mental health to read blogs claiming that Natural Aversion Therapy worked for them. I’ve read the studies. I know that if my parents had decided it was a good idea it would have made things worse. That doesn’t mean that it’s healthy to add one more suggestion in the back of my brain that perhaps torturing my younger self would have been a good idea.

At the same time, if I don’t apply my intellectual integrity to ideas that I find personally challenging, then I fundamentally do not have intellectual integrity. It is important that I believe things that are correct, even if they are personally inconvenient. While of course anecdotal evidence should not factor into my opinions, I certainly do not and should not want to selectively expose my self only to anecdotal evidence that reinforces my existing beliefs.

[industrialbruise]

there it is

“hypo kids are evil”

done

[getmeoffthisrock]

@healthesick my girlfriend is hyposensitive, never went through NAT, and has in the time that I’ve known her never committed a single crime, capital or otherwise.

and when I imagine someone taking a smol version of her and subjecting her to the likes of you, I get a cold sweat and a strong desire to go snuggle her.

fuck you

[a-cleaner-tomorrow]

healthesick is going to try to tell you that NAT ('natural aversion therapy') isn't torture. It *is*, and if you do a little research into what it involves you'll see why.

After I got this ask, I did a little research into the subject. I think you might be a bit hung up on the word “torture”! If what you meant was “healthesick gives children ineffective and harmful therapy” you should say that! Calling it torture kind of suggests that she does it because she wants children to suffer, which is a horrible thing to say about someone, rather than that she’s simply mistaken about what works best and is an acceptable level of harm.

I think that it is very important to talk to people who make mistakes like that about what is actually effective and yelling at them and slandering them doesn’t really help anything.

[worstblueintheworld]

Not getting involved in the NAT discourse because I’d rather nail my head to the wall. 

But in general, lots of things are illegal that we don’t instinctively dislike. Tax fraud doesn’t make most people want to vomit, but they know it’s ethically wrong, and know what happens if they get caught. So if you think operant conditioning is necessary to change childrens behavior you should at least admit that you are doing it for social acceptability/the benefit of the parents. 

[industrialbruise]

[@healthesick] As a natural aversion therapist, your repeated characterization of my profession as abusive is alarming. Would you kindly stop spreading that disgusting lie? Your anti-recovery attitude may have prevented it from being effective on you, but that doesn't mean the same is true of everyone. If you continue with this baseless slander, countless mentally ill people will fail to seek the treatment and help that they need.

oh

ahaha

anti-recovery attitude. i fucking wish

i was a model fucking test subject. i did all my homework and came to all my sessions and when “red-[z]” won because NAT doesn’t do shit i drank bleach because you all did a great fucking job of convincing me that i was a polluted freak who didn’t deserve to live

i still have nightmares, i still puke when i’m too upset, there’s still part of me that wants to get fucking red-cleaned

if “seeking treatment” is spending three hours a day four days a week vomiting and crying and getting your hands shoved in the trash by pieces of shit who call themselves doctors then i hope nobody ever does again.

so, no, go lick a fucking corpse

[industrialbruise]

[@picking-up-shards] Yeah! I think a lot of people don't realize how many resources there are out there to help people like us, and what with all the stigma many people are afraid to ask. I mean, given the suicide-baiting (what the fuck, folks?) that you're getting, it's clear that there are lots of people who would rather us die than even recover.

yeah, i think there are a lot of those

i’m glad nat worked for you. i honestly am. that’s way better than the alternative. but i did it too and it fucked me up pretty badly when i was younger and really didn’t cure me of anything

[industrialbruise]

[@picking-up-shards] I'm sorry that you had a bad NAT therapist! That's really unfortunate. Have you tried looking for other clinics in the area? You shouldn't have to suffer for the rest of your life just because you had one bad therapist.

i had two, actually

can you tell me what yours was like? just so i know.