norttron replied to your post: "Sansa was the least sympathetic of th...
Did GRRM really say that? And why do any of them have to be “least sympathetic”? Is Jon Snow the truest character because we recognize that teenage boys are generally mopey?
He really said that, after ASOS came out. He said that he realized that the Starks were too happy a family who got along with each other so well, ala the Brady Bunch I guess, so then he created Sansa (last). Why he had to put all the tension in Sansa's character instead of doling the fals out equally is beyond me. There's no real rule that all characters have to be equally flawed, but when you look at it from the perspective of premeditated design ... just why are Sansa and Cat the Starks who are supposedly culpable for Ned's death, who have to realize their complicity and repent, who are the least close to Jon (Sansa obviously much more close than Cat though), who cause the most angst for Arya, who also happen to be "conventional" ladies and fond of Southern things and so on? Why is them coming to repent their flaws and learning to appreciate Jon and Arya and lament Ned and understand the value of Northernness, why is this a thing? I mean, WHY? Why do I have to bother paying attention to it as a reader, why is it a facet of the design, why is it an intended thing, W H Y ? There's no answer really, unfortunately, not in the text. It just is because author wants it.
Jon Snow is a true character in the sense that he's a good person who is also real about what matters in life, largely without self delusion and dreams that blind him to what's around him, who sees reality without becoming tainted by it, who maintains his straight arrow purpose, etc etc etc blah blah blah. But lol.
atopcat replied to your post: anonymous asked:"the way he copes...
he’ll become a Gary Stu when George goes against everything he believes in and puts Jon on the Iron Throne
He's already enough of a Stu for me TBH. But I don't htink Jon will end up on the throne, or if it happens I don't think it'll be triumphant. I don't think GRRM cares about the Iron Throne as much as some readers do. For me though agai it doesn't matter, Jon already feels obnoxious.
zenkindoflove replied to your post “Oh but isn’t it so great when Sansa find HUMILITY! Enough humility to...”
I love you for this post. SO MUCH.
I keep trying to articulate why this pisses me off so much and I just ... I mean, what is it about this "ONE DAY PEOPLE WILL APPRECIATE JUST HOW PERFECT XYZ IS AND THEN, THEN THEY'LL RUE THE DAY THEY EVER DID OTHERWISE" thing that makes people think it's good writing? Okay at all writing? I just find it so inherently obnoxious.
jasminebaggins replied to your post “I give negative shits about Jon Snow and I just wish GRRM knew it. I...”
In this case, we are using realistic to mean "easily fits into the experiences of how the white, nerdy, malereader sees himself"
I feel like Jon is the kind of person GRRM wishes he was, someone who may be put upon by less understanding people but never becomes a bad person because of it, nor deludes himself to escape it. Tyrion is more like who he is, and Tyrion is prone to self delusion and extreme bitterness. But Jon is more attractive, he may not be handsome like his Southron Tully half-siblings but he's that "less obvious but more meaningful" or whatever bullshit kind of attractive, and that also goes to his personality, because he never becomes piteous or embarrassing, if he's bitter its an attractive kind of bitter because it just makes him snarky with badass snark lines, and if it is ever worse because he's only 14. His age gets him out of worse criticism but he also is apparently old enough to be as badass as any weathered gunslinger that ever was. Blah blah blah. Just too many details that converge upon convenient attractiveness. Not for me, sorry.
