#notmyelsa

[brlngelsahome]

This is the Elsa I know and love

This is a random hippie forest lady who walks around barefoot with a lizard and a bunch of rocks. 

Not our Queen. 

[hereisisa]

If Disney had 6 years to develop F2, why'd it feel like a rush job? I think the writers really wrote F2 with good intentions at heart, but they've done it in a questionable fashion that made it so unlikeable for some, myself for example. If only they bother to add more explanations, making more senses in their story telling then I'd like F2 more. Pity I used to love Elsa for years. Now, she's like a doll. Pretty, sparkling, human looking but not really human.

Well maybe a bit less.....

They wrote 12 versions of the plot.

And it took them 2.5 years to draw the storyboards of 12 Frozen 2 plots.

Then they selected one, and that’s exactly when Jenn said “Frozen Fever” and “OFA” weren’t canon. When was that? One year ago? Maybe less?

Then in April they did their screenings, people freaked out at Elsa’s death, and Bob Iger told them to change it.

So it’s not 6 years, it’s....maybe 1 year since then they picked the story they wanted and a few months since they changed the ending.

I loved the old Elsa too, the awkward Queen, introvert, way more interesting.

[beingpassionateabout]

The fact that there's ONE line in Into the Unknown that kinda ruins the whole experience

Maddening

[hereisisa]

This book:

me:

[hereisisa]

It's really laughable, all these posts looking desperately for any non-existent hints that Elsa didn't like to be a queen and Anna is talented leader...when all i see are long lists of headcanons.

In canon Elsa was only ever scared of her own magic.

In canon Anna almost destroyed Arendelle and before that she let it in the hands of a villain.

I can’t blame you tho, the end doesn’t make any sense so many are justifying it with headcanons.

Thing is....it just doesn’t make sense cause they wrote 12 versions of it, changed it too many times, desperately wanted to keep Elsa away but dead, so:

Without showing she didn’t like to be Queen,

Without showing she wanted out,

Without saying she was blinded by her magic,

Without committing to a love interest,

Without saying she will never come back,

Without saying she’s not in contact with her family,

....and I like thay they didn’t provide these motivations because they ones listed were wrong for her.

But in the end, she stayed in the forest, for no real reason at all.

I prefer to address the fact that she has no motivations, than to pass some ‘out of characters headcanons’ as a truths the movies never confirmed.

[hereisisa]

If I didn't see Anna and Elsa together at the end, then that was a separation, there was no excuse. And tbh we didn't see Elsa came back home to Anna onscreen either, so that was indeed a separation. And people still defend this ending by saying 'that isn't a separation, they live close by and send letters regularly' like excuse me, that is INDEED definition of separation their denial level is so over the chart I can't even

I don’t understand why wasting so much time over a simple concept: does Elsa live in Arendelle? No. Then they’re separated.

The unwanted “but it’s like in real life when.....” anons will be blocked cause I’m tired of this bullshit.

The answer is always the same “you can’t apply real life to this movie otherwise an hobo wouldn’t marry a princess otherwhise a snowman woudn’t talk, and these characters aren’t normal sisters, they’ve been separated all their lives and they’ve been reunited only 3 years ago and unless you’ve experiences the same thing then you can’t compare your fu**ing life with this movie, and ask to every kid if they prefer the sisters apart or together and see what they have to say, etc etc etc..................” I’m tired.

[hereisisa]

So I just read a statement from a fan claiming the ending is made for children and that the ending is joyful? Huh wtf did I miss something. I call bs

Ok I’ve answered to a similar ask in a short way but I keep getting similar messages so I guess I’ll sit down and write more on the subject.

Let’s say there are 3 ways to see this movie:

- occasional viewers’ way. They take their children to the movies once, they like it or not, they all think there are too many songs, and forget about it right after.

- the stans’ way. The ones who excuse whatever smart or stupid decision the writers and disney wanted, and everything is perfect, everything makes sense, everythins is right for the characters just like they wrote it (and if it’s not they’ll force themselves to accept it, one way or another).

- the critics’ way. Find your inner critic, and run with it.

Guess where am I?

And mind you, I’m not considerind my opinion of the same value as a movies’ critic, cause I’m not an expert, but as a fan I certanly know the characters and that’s why I think my opinion is valid too.

That said....

I’m not gonna waste time on the “occasional viewers”, even if THEY are the majority and their opinions on the movie are frequently surprising and interesting...simply because they’re not here, on tumblr, to discuss the movie.

The Stans. I do not want to offend them, this has to be clear, but the blind acceptance of whatever Jenn+Chris wrote doesn’t sit well with me.

I’ve never shipped canon, I don’t care about what the majority think, I do not feel the need to belong to a big group of people who share the same mindset.Once I’ve found those 2-3 people I agree with, my social media life is complete.

What I do not like about stans is the “If you don’t like it then you didn’t understand the movie or you don’t understand the characters” point of view.

Like acceptance of canon put them on a pedestal of omniscience in everything Frozen-related.

So this attitude generally pisses me off, but I usually ignore it and move on with my fandom life.

Now, let’s go back to your question: the end is good for children and joyful. Oh boy.

Let’s see it first from the STANS’ pov:

Elsa is free, runs free on a free sea, free of her burdens, making magic, talking to natives, and without a care in the world. She smiles. It means she’s happy and as a viewer I have to be happy too.Anna is a Queen, she’s smiling. It surely mean this is what she always wanted it, and she doesn’t care if her sister doesn’t live with her cause she can always write her a letter, right? Plus, she’s engaged omg omg omg omg!!!!!! Who cares about anything else????

There is an happy music, everybody smiles, let’s be happy!

To me, this is the superficial and dumb way to see it. Eating up whatever disney cooked for us, and saying thanks at the end.

It works for some children, the ones who “ok....the movie was sad, but they smile so...I guess it’s ok?” and the stans. Most kids are even smarter than that.

My way to see it:

Elsa smiles: of course, why on earth would Disney make a movie where the lead character is depressed at the end? lol They want me to believe this is an happy ending, they wouldn’t write her troubled or sad. I hope they’re not saying I should be happy cause Elsa is happy....Google the word “retcon” and see how it applies to this movie.

Elsa is free: she was free already in the first movie, after “let it go”, now she simply knows where her magic comes from. Good thing, but it doesn’t make her “more free”, it gives her more knowledge. And of course let’s ignore how this “freedom” comes at other people’s expenses.

Elsa is happy: why? Because her parents died for her?In the end she’s running free, on the free sea exactly where her parents DIED? AHAHAHAH THIS IS SO BEAUTIFUL I’M SO HAPPY!!! Elsa smiles so let’s be happy!!!! Because she doesn’t have responsabilities anymore? YAY! She can wake up and talk to squirrels and go for her run! Wow! Who needs a job? (what a good message for kids!)Because she she is free to not care about anything else but herself and her magic?

This is the good message for children?

“Accept and show yourself” RIGHT.

But also:

“Forget your responsabilities”“If your parents died for you it’s ok because hey you were a gift so who cares if they died cause you couldn’t control your gift!”“Follow a voice for all the movie ignoring your sister and don’t pay any permanent consequence!” What an happy life! “Leave your family behind, they’ll be there to pick up the pieces while you’ll be freeeeee”AHAHAHAHA who cares right? Elsa is smiling and she’ so happy so I’m so happy!

Just because the movie ignores the consequences, I don’t have to ignore them too. I have a mind, and I use it. I’m not a parrot.

And for ONE good message the kids may get, there are way more that are problematic, and are ignored.Again, I’m not dumb I have a critic mind and I can’t ignore them.

Anna is Queen: Not once, not even once in her life she mentioned the fact that she wanted this. She didn’t have a choice, she became Queen cause she was the SPARE, and this is her destiny. Not her choice. Congrats!! I’M SO HAPPY!!!

Anna is alone: she’s not! she’s a boyfriend she can’t even comunicate with!! That’s all she need!! Plus it’s not like she needs a family! She has a dick now! It’s all she wanted! We saw her playing with dolls and all Anna wanted was a marriage! She would have married the first person who asked and she almost did!! And now she will!! I’M SO HAPPY!!!!If this movie made one thing clear to me, is that Anna would litterally marry the first one who ask her cause getting married it’s her dream. Period. I’M SO HAPPY FOR HER THIS IS PERFECT!!!

Anna can see her sister: Suuuuure, when she’s done playing with squirrels or being a pillar of a METHAPHORIC BRIDGE she may travel back to Arendelle once in a while, and then go back to live in the glacier where she almost died happily alone, talking to spirits and snow creatures! What an HAPPY LIFE! Anna wants this. Sure. Because Anna would DIE for Elsa and if this is what makes Elsa happy, then Anna would accept it.

Nothing and no one will ever convince me that this is what Anna would choose,  if ONLY SHE COULD HAVE A CHOICE!

I could go on and on for days, but you get the point, anon??????

If we accept the “happiness” these character show on their faces at the end as a dogma, without questioning WHY they are happy with a critic mind, if we ignore the RETCONS, the plot holes, the negative messages, the cut or changed storylines.....well yes they seem to be happy at the end.

But can you?

I can’t.

Accepting this would mean I’ll have to ignore everything I know and I like about these characters from the first movies and the books, and I love them too much to do that.

There are good things in this movie, like the origins of Elsa’s powers, some Elsa+Anna scenes, but the end is not one of them.

It is joyful, if you ignore dozens of things (I’ve listed ONLY A FEW).

It has ONE good message for kids (if you ignore all the negative ones).

But I’m not a stan, and I will not do it.

[hereisisa]

I’ve waited a day to say this to see if my opinion would change but...no, so:

I’m the only one who is turned off by how Elsa looks??? (She’s my favorite so I hate to say this)

She looks....dead. Sick. White. Like a ghost.

She really reminds me of the Andersen’s snow queen drawings in my childhood’ books. Cold, distant, scary, barely human.

Definitely a step back from this healthy sexy Queen!

I don’t like her. At all.