#notmyfrozen

[hereisisa]

If you don’t see this as the retcon that is, you’re dumb.

And don’t tell me about ‘growth’ lol this is a personality transplant, not GrOwTh 🤪

[brlngelsahome]

This is the Elsa I know and love

This is a random hippie forest lady who walks around barefoot with a lizard and a bunch of rocks. 

Not our Queen. 

[spareisms]

frozen spoilers and thoughts

:: whoa people saying #notmyfrozen bc elsa and anna are splitting up like

did you miss the point of the movie where the sisters who are literally dependent on each other break free and learn to grow as individuals ?? that’s a good thing ! because people become separated throughout life -even sisters - and they can still love each other no matter the distance and no matter the changes .

im sorry that it can be a hard lesson for kids, but isn’t it a strong lesson to learn ? disney is taking those steps to show life isn’t a fairytale — isn’t that exactly what people used to criticize the company for? being an unrealistic fairytale ? impossible endings and teachings ? and now that disney has tried to teach new lessons of loving and letting go, of separation and grief, loss and love, and staying hopeful and brave — you’re going to dismiss those lessons just because they aren’t together anymore ? simply because they separated themselves doesn’t mean they are separate at all.

anna and elsa are never truly apart because they are family.

this is the heart of frozen. it’s what everyone loves the most about the series - that love and independence can coexist. elsa— you can find yourself with just yourself, that which you can love, trust, and with seek new unknowns. anna— you can find true love through those you protect, who you are fearless for and who you love most in this world.

two lessons. two sisters.

#alwaysmyfrozen ❤️

[kito-99]

I wonder why Disney/movies love this current trend of seperating the main characters in sequels, what is the point of the first film then? According to them, it means nothing. For most movies it's kinda acceptable or plausible, but Frozen isn't that type of film/franchise, it's core message was love between two sisters.

They reunited after going through constant struggle, isolation being the biggest factor which divided them. The film goes on to specify that they are eachothers true love, but guess what, it was all for nothing. Yep that's what I want in my movies, to see characters never be truly happy and that everyone must seperate from eachother if they love one another. Great message Disney, I applaud you for your thoughtfulness to the original theme of the franchise.

This idotic trend must stop, you can't say that you "are doing this for the fans" then immediately disregard what your fans have to say. A sequel should reaffirm it's predecessors message, not destroy it ruthlessly.

People keep mentioning that it's realistic for them to seperate, this is a film about love between two sisters and that it's stronger then romantic love, you can't downsize their relationship into a normal sisters relationship that doesn't make sense. If you want to bring realism into this, then realistically Elsa would of got some sought of mental disorder/or at least some sort of Ptsd from the constant isolation from people. No one would want to willingly go back into isolation like she does at the end of F2 after it caused her so much stuggle previously. So don't bring realism into this.

[epixandroid]

Although I don’t agree with CellSpex’s perspective, at least it confirms that the movie is MESSED UP.

[beingpassionateabout]

P1-Anna will alway focus on her true love, E, no matter what, and I think that’s why it looks like she doesn’t treat K very well. In a Disney movie we are so use to the male and female romantic leads only focusing on each other, so when A focuses on E, her true love, and not K her bf, it comes off as her treating him bad. But in all reality, she isn’t treating him bad at all, she just has other priorities. The creators know A can’t focus on K, so they have him be obsessed to make up for it.

P2-The outcome is a disaster because it’s not a equal relationship. A is K’s true love, at least according to him, but A’s true love is E. It doesn’t help that they have nothing in common and he isn’t her type, no matter how much they try to make him like Hans in F2. It comes off as a very one-sided, stalker relationship that nobody should ever want. It could easily be fixed by breaking them up and making them friends. K can be the dorky, smelly friend, showing another form of non-romantic love.

P3- I need clarity that K thinks A is his true love but I don’t think that she is. He just thinks that she is bc A is the first human who has ever cared about him. I think he would be better off with some else. Just wanted to make that clear. :)

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I completely agree with you :)

That’s why that anon submission “blaming” Anna for an abusive relationship didn’t sit well with me. 

First of all, we need to recognize that the instances where Anna seems to be ignoring K are not intended to make her look like an abusive or neglective girlfriend but to just convey how worried she was about Elsa. In any normal and healthy relationship that wouldn’t be an issue bc the guy would definitely know that the situation didn’t call for proposal attempts and that he should just take a seat and let his gf do whatever she had to do to make everything okay again. 

But bc The Creator’s needed some conflict to justify that USELESS MUSICAL NUMBER IN THE FOREST they made K look like an absolute clown and Anna look like she just needs to get a restraining order on him. That was really pathetic on all accounts. 

I also agree that the only way to fix them is to break them up and let them remain friends, but that’s not something i put much faith on Disney, knowing they need to have at least ONE hetero couple per franchise. 

[cosmostellar]

HOLY SHIT I GET IT

The main problem with Frozen 2 is that the narrative treats Elsa like a Mary Sue. And yeah, I hate the term as much as the next guy, but this exactly what it is here. The whole story is built to accommodate Elsa, make her show off in every way possible, she mostly goes through it completely unchallenged in any real ways (and the lack of a consistent character arc doesn't help). Every other character is ripped off from actual personality whenever Elsa is in the scene; the whole group follows Elsa around until Elsa sends them away (first decides to not wait for Kristoff, then sends away Anna and Olaf), at which point they actually regain some of their own braincells and emotions. Anna's arc isn't about being obsessed with Elsa and having to learn to live her own life - if it was, then it would have actually been resolved and treated with importance, and it never is. It's also never shown that Elsa, Kristoff or Olaf sees Anna's obsession with Elsa and uncomfortable or something she should fight, and the moment in which Anna decides to do the "next right thing" is when she thinks Elsa died, at which point it's no longer her decision - she has to move on (also, her behavior there is actually reasonable because it's normal that when your loved ones die, two of them, you kinda want to curl up and sob). But Anna and Kristoff are treated with absolutely no respect UNLESS it is to further Elsa's narrative. Anna is briefly angry at Elsa for sending her away on that boat, but then because of the situation that's conveniently brushed off; Anna's biggest moment in the movie (the rock giants) mostly serves the purpose of bringing Elsa back to life; then the narrative rips away from Anna the crucial scene of discussing Anna's future in relation to Elsa; we literally only get to hear that Elsa wants to stay in the forest, therefore she has an idea (for Anna to be the queen). Then we see Anna during her coronation; we don't know what happened between these two scenes. The narrative is constantly silencing Anna, Anna's needs and wants, Anna's personal goal - Anna is, essentially, a tool to further Elsa's narrative and nothing else.

It's also interesting to see that we have two people in this movie whose arc is, supposedly, about loving someone else (Anna and Kristoff). Anna loves Elsa, Kristoff loves Anna: Anna's love is treated with complete seriousness and her professions of love and care for Elsa, even though far more imposing than Kristoff's for Anna, are always framed in a serious light. Kristoff's love for Anna is for comic reliefs moments, it's a joke, sometimes the narrative tries to even portray it as borderline imposing (because the guy tries to propose and can't do it because hes too afraid but he keeps trying). The only difference between those (both serious kinds of love and care) is that one is for Elsa - the other one is for Anna. Similarly Anna, shown to deeply care about Kristoff and love him in the first movie (wanting to kiss him, giving him his new sled and being visibly excited about sharing this gift with him - also the scene where she sacrificed for Elsa was NOT about Anna choosing between Elsa and Kristoff, it was about Anna choosing Elsa (abt to be killed by Hans) over her own life (which she believed Kristoff could have saved); the hug with Elsa at the end of the first movie? Anna, while doing so, also smiles at Kristoff). Her love for them was perfectly balanced in the first movie. Here her love and relationship with Kristoff is a joke; only her love for Elsa is serious.

Anna's solo, for God's sake, is about dealing with the loss of Elsa.

An important part of this story is also the relationship of the sisters' parents and how their death influenced the sisters, but Anna is never allowed to grief on her own upon making these discoveries?

Tlrd; Frozen 2's narrative is prioritizing Elsa's arc and character at the cost of invalidating and silencing the feelings (that are not connected to Elsa) of every other character.

[breckstonevailskier]

Cohesiveness

One thing that’s apparent about Frozen II is that while both sisters more or less equally share screen time, you can tell which character the writers like more. Because Anna's character arc is on the whole consistent and understandable, but Elsa's goes nowhere, out of lack of explanations.  It’s very obvious that most of the creators' energy went into Anna’s story arc, with Elsa kinda being an afterthought.

And that’s where Frozen II stumbles. It focuses too much on the wrong (ie less narratively interesting and complex) characters, due to the creators not realizing that “favorite character” does not automatically equal “most interesting story to tell in this universe”.

Mind you, there are a lot of great ideas in Elsa's arc, but they feel disjointed. They all stand fine on her own. Her arc contains a lot of great scenes - like her fights with the spirits, her grief over her parents' death leading to her deciding to push Anna away, her longing to find the source of the mysterious voice, "Show Yourself", her freezing, etc. But they would’ve been greater scenes if they made a lot of sense together and formed a cohesive narrative. It feels with Elsa like the writers decided to pile up as many awesome scenes and songs as they could over their breakout character, but forgot to create a story to tie them all together. Meanwhile, Anna's arc, which is much more low-key (she wants to follow her sister at all costs but learns how to cope when she disappears) feels much more coherent.