I JUST FINISHED RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS 2011. I FUCKING DID IT. EVERYONE IN MY LIFE TOLD ME TO STOP BUT I DID IT AND I GOT THROUGH IT. BECAUSE I AM NOT A QUITTER.
Now, here is a long post of some horrible highlights from my rhato 2011 reading experience (this post was written as I read the comic):
⚠️this is literally just a post of me bitching and moaning so if you don't wanna read that just don't lol
Starting off strong with hong hong (genuinely pretty sure the font is just abysmal but I read it as hong hong like 4 times and I couldn't stop giggling at the concept)
Eerrm..... he's RIGHT behind me, isn't he?
Can I have "he would not fucking say that" for 300?
AND ANOTHER FUCKING JOKER PLOT BECAUSE JASON WRITERS HAVE NO ORIGINAL IDEAS 😑
A year ago. This was all supposed to have come to an end A YEAR AGO. YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT JASON, ALLEGEDLY: TRAINED WITH THE LEAGUE OF ASSASSINS, TRAINED WITH THE ALL-CASTE, LEFT BOTH AND RETURNED TO GOTHAM TO BE THE RED HOOD..
WITHIN. A YEAR.
Jason Todd was revived 1 (one) year ago. According to this comic.
The concept of Jason ever stopping someone from killing a slave owner/human trafficker is unfathomable to me. Is this supposed to be the same guy that chopped off the heads of a bunch of drug dealers and shoved them into a duffle bag just to prove a point???? The same guy that thinks that some people can't be rehabilitated and need to be killed???? THE SAME GUY WHO BLEW UP (AND KILLED ANY SURVIVORS) OF A CHILD TRAFFICKING RING IN GERMANY??????
Hey, Tony! Give me an Ollie with NOTHIN'
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Isabel has been here for too fucking long. I try to always be a woman character's #1 fan just because I don't ever want to be part of the crowd that doesn't give her a chance but I'm so annoyed. I'm mostly annoyed at the writer not being able to just let her go. She serves very little plot purpose and I'm annoyed
Jason's mouth helmet disturbs me
Kori and Roy having a thing is so weird
Roy calling Jason his best friend pissed me off. Roy's best friends are the Titans
The all-caste backstory for Jason is weird and annoying
It kills me that red hood: lost days (peak) was finished the same year this (bleak) came out but immediately retconned in new 52 when it was the most beautiful Jason backstory yet
Kori is so oversexualized I feel gross
Kori's backstory/reason for not remembering the Titans doesn't make sense and I think the writer knows that. Because she remembers literally everyone else from her past ??
WHY DID KORI HAVE TO DEFEAT HER BIG VILLAIN WITH A KISS? WHY COULDNT SHE JUST OBLITERATE THEM???? I HATE WHEN MEN WRITE COMICS
I hate this "new edgy" era of new 52 comics where everything had to be Like This. The only way I can describe it is Like That because it's so specific but they were trying to make everything new edgy and appealing and it's all shit
Roy being forced into the dumb funny one character archetype is doing such a disservice for his character. I miss his meaner side
Unfortunately this comic has given me the best Jason and Tim brotherism interaction I've seen in a while. And I'm salty
Oh yay the amnesia is supposedly selective (Kori memory thing). Because that makes it make sense
This interpretation of Ollie and Roy's relationship makes me want to hit myself over the head with a baseball bat. This writer doesn't understand nuance in any sense and cannot grasp complicated relationships. Whoever is writing this thinks complicated means a bunch of convoluted extreme details and not clashing experiences and views etc etc
Making Roy have a problem with alcohol instead of drugs also rubs me the wrong way idk why. I think it's bc drugs and alcohol have very different effects on the user (even depending on what kinda drug) and imo it being drugs is extremely important to Roy's motivations and his growth in recovery 🤷♂️
OH MY GOD THEY FUCKED UP JADE SO BAD. OH MY GOD BRUH
Jason's backstory timeline makes zero sense I'm crying. They're trying to add too many things for it to make sense. And apparently this all happened after Jason was already 15. Mind you he died before he hit 16 originally so this timeline for him being Robin makes NO SENSE lmao
we are officially 3/3 for shitty outlaw backstories. Roy I can't believe they did this to you. I'm so sorry
^ adding onto this it annoys me that they made Roy a "guy in the chair" for Ollie instead of letting him be Speedy. Like they're fully ignoring the fab five and the TEEN titans in new52 right now
Overalls this comic is allergic to making Jason or Roy start working with Batman/Green Arrow when they were 13/younger lmao. Like no it's ok they were tiny. Embrace it
also I'm pretty sure they retconned Roy's backstory within the same comic? Like his backstory was different at the beginning than what it was in issue #37 I can't do this
Overall thoughts: don't read this comic. It's not good. It's like really bad. Jason is way too medicated and everything is bad
most of us know that red hood and the outlaws has horrible writing, but i don't think people who haven't read it realise how bad it is. because even without mischaracterization, even without garbage plot, even without nonsensical story beats-- the very quality of the writing is terrible. here is a collection of things that wouldve been corrected by the most ameteaur proofreader out there and somehow made it into a real official canon DC book. (up till issue 4 of the 2011 version, i will almost definitely be making more installments of this)
(1)
[Red Hood and The Outlaws (2011) #2]
i... think that was supposed to be a pun on smooth but it makes absolutely no fucking sense and jason's reply makes even less sense. if roy is calling jason smooth, what the fuck does move have to do with it? is it implying that jason put a move/flirted with the woman who gave him her number???? because jason didn't, and roy knows that. so then what is the move supposed to mean here? and i assume that the joke in jason's reply is supposed to be that there is nothing sounding like a "you" in traction, but like what the fuck does he mean by "traction"???? these are the definitions of traction according to oxford dictionary
and absolutely none of them make a lick of sense in this context.
(2)
[Red Hood and The Outlaws (2011) #2]
con air is a 1997 american film about millitary whatever-the-fuck. either this is a reference to something in the film, or this is for some reason using filipino slang for an air conditioner. to my understanding, con air is not a classic american film that americans reference often or would know about casually, and even if it was the joke would be excluding an extremely large audience of dc that is outside of the US. my point being, why the fuck are you putting semi-obscure movie references into a comic that is very mainstream and almost definitely for international audiences, scott? i could read the plot of the film or watch the film to see if its even a valid reference but fuck that im proving my own point here as an international reader who doesn't understand what the hell this is supposed to mean even after fucking LOOKING IT UP. IF YOURE WRITING A MAINSTREAM COMIC WITH WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE VERY COMPREHENDABLE LANGUAGE, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE SHOULD BE LOOKING SHIT UP TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
[Red Hood and The Outlaws (2011) #2]
there are so many horrible things about this dialogue exchange that i feel like im having aneurysm. we'll start with suzie. these are the definitions of a homestead
absolutely none of them correspond or make sense to be used for the fancy high-rise hotel-like building that jason owns and they are currently in, nor does it make sense as being slang for a home because they are in HONG KONG and the word comes from oceania, north america, and south africa. not to mention "gone and come back" is just bad fucking wording. its clunky and confusing, is she saying that he's left and returned? or is she using "gone and" to express annoyance at jason returning to hong kong? it doesn't really matter in terms of overall understanding but its little things like that which fuck up the flow of reading.
moving on, a fainting couch is couch with a back raised on one end, it is popularly speculated that the fainting couch got its name due to victorian women feeling faint due to tight corsets-- although the name wasn't seen in usage until the 20th century. i genuinely have no fucking clue what suzie is talking about whatsoever when she refers to having one. it makes less than zero sense to me.
and finally for suzie, the progression of the sentence makes no fucking sense. "as i live and breathe! jason has gone and come back to the homestead, and me without my fainting couch!" what the fuck is that???? she starts with an exclamation of surprise, follows it with someone doing something in noun verb noun format, and then continues with someone lacking something in noun adjective noun format??? thats just not how sentences work? at least not good sentences. like regardless of the fact that what she's saying makes no sense, at least the correct way of saying it would be something like "as i live and breath! jason has gone and come back to the homstead, and i'm without my fainting couch!" or something like "jason, back in the homestead, and me without my fainting couch!" having two different structures in the same sentence is awkward and weird.
and MOVING ON to jason's line. here are the definitions of undercarriage
first of all, what the fuck is the scent of undercarriage??????? i genuinely have no fucking clue what in the hell that's supposed to be. and second of all, what is undercarriage supposed to be in this context???????? im so fucking confused i dont understand this line whatsoever.
(3)
[Red Hood and The Outlaws (2011) #2]
"fry my bucket" is not a real phrase, scott.
(4)
[Red Hood and The Outlaws (2011) #3]
sublingual doesn't mean what you think it means, scott.
(5)
[Red Hood and The Outlaws (2011) #4]
im so fucking confused. what the hell does "a xenophobe. not many of them around." even mean?? its one of those things that almost makes sense if you give it a quick glanceover but is absolutely bonkers if you look at it for more than one second. is kori saying that xenophobes are rare???????? what?? no they are not????????
(6)
[Red Hood and The Outlaws (2011) #4]
the race of people living on tamaran are called tamaraneans. scott knows this. he has used "tamaranean" in other places, i don't know how or why the person that has supposedly been stalking and researching aliens for the past five years of his life would say "tamaran" instead of "tamaranean". this is the equivalent of an alien in fiction saying "earth" instead of "earthling" or "human". im not rereading this shit but im also 80% sure that the guy has said "tamaranean" before, so i dont know what happened here.
(7)
[Red Hood and The Outlaws (2011) #4]
here is the definition of clandestine.
either these University Scientists were conducting illegal experiments and that is just never brought up or mentioned or expanded on again (which is shitty writing in a different way), or that word doesn't mean whatever you think it means, scott.
(8)
[Red Hood and The Outlaws (2011) #4]
here is the definiton of transubstantiation.
a transsubstantiator (which, why are there two "s" between trans and sub when the base word only has one?) is fictional and fake, so i suppose that its technically fine to use the word for whatever he wants but i still think its fucking stupid, and this is MY list/collection. (btw the machine was supposed to take away kori's powers. and im not christian or an expert on christianity but i dont think thats what the base word is supposed to be about.)
(9)
[Red Hood and The Outlaws (2011) #4]
jason's response here is one of things that almost makes sense, but doesn't if you look at it for more than one second. what the fuck does he mean by "unless there's anyplace hotter."?? like is he saying that he wants to go to a hot place after he dies? that heat is bad and so if there was a more hot place he'd be going there? i really don't know, and i don't understand.
(10)
[Red Hood and The Outlaws (2011) #4]
the fact that his monologue is split between boxes tricks the reader into thinking it makes sense so i'm going to write it out for yall to understand that it does Not.
"I prepared for this night years ago. A year of training under the All-Caste. A night none of us believed would ever happen. Why am I so happy? Because I know I'm ready. Who knows? Maybe I was born ready."
that just... is nonsensical. first he goes on about training and being prepared and then he immediately contradicts himself by saying "maybe i was born ready". the "why am i so happy" comes out of nowhere, it's extremely vague whether he's talking to the reader as if they are questioning him or if he's wondering that about himself. the "because i know im ready" doesn't even answer the question that came out of nowhere, readiness has nothing to do with being happy??? this entire speech is so bullshitted together, all that without even my personal opinion that "maybe i was born ready" is just a bad line.
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that is all i have for now, i am 100% making more parts to this because rhato is a hate-comfort comic that i like to read and scream at whenever i feel like it. also just a side note because i am aware that a lot of us do this, it makes me uncomfortable to threaten actual injury or death towards real people, even as a joke, so i would appreciate it if none of you reblogged or replied with that kinda stuff towards any of the rhato creators on this post (or any of my posts). hope you enjoyed if you read the whole way through, have a nice day!
