#riptide theories

[asterrise]

SPOILERS FOR JRWI RIPTIDE ‼️‼️‼️

A map that is a guide and a key, passed around the hands of destiny. It leads to chaos infinity beneath the seas. The guarding giant, the nameless prince, the unborn kings. All await to be inevitably free.

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The nameless prince the unborn kings the guarding giant. I don’t think jug is the guarding giant. Maybe the mecha leviathan? Or the leviathan we see in the real prophecy. The nameless prince is not niklaus or chip. Niklaus is working for the nameless prince maybe? Or is the offspring of them? Maybe the nameless prince was the original deal maker and did something to make niklaus only sail by himself. Niklaus said in all falls apart that he used to have friends that he would do anything for, maybe something happened to them and he could never replace them? The unborn kings is an insane theory, but maybe it is the sons of captain rose? Maybe that woman in the picture with price is the mother of the unborn kings, but something happened to them? Unborn is a really tricky word, cause is that not born yet or was born but was somehow put back? That would make me think maybe they were sealed somewhere. And I’ve been thinking about just two but maybe there were many of them? Maybe the unborn kings are former chosen ones? We’ve seen with destiny’s blade that he had a life before that and was turned into a sword or had his soul put into a sword, maybe it’s like that? Passed around the hands of destiny makes me think about how fin passed Arlin’s part of the map onto chip. Specifically through his hands as well. If gillion is one of the kings, then I think maybe each of these are their own type of thing? Unborn kings is gillion, maybe chip is the nameless prince but only through heritage? Why can he read celestial, why was captain rose also able to read celestial? From rose to Arlin to chip is what I think the hands of destiny is. So if the nameless prince is a lineage like the unborn kings are does that mean that maybe chips father has something to do with the nameless prince? Is he a son of niklaus or the nameless prince? Or maybe even of captain rose? If we follow this train of thought as well that means guarding giant would be Jay. Her family is Olympian, incredibly strong, and her fortune says that she may become the strongest woman in the world, does that not say giant? Ghhhhhhhhhhh there’s so many theories in my mind right now also chip could be Ollie’s brother. Also queen was 100% a member of the dread queens crew or a child of them I mean come on. He had a sense of familiarity coming from being on a boat and they recognized the person playing music when they fought the dread queens lover. Also what if the nameless prince was the cause of aster and lunadeyis’s split? They spread corruption into them? And then by the end of riptide of all goes well they kill the nameless prince and aster and lunadeyis get back together and gillion tells them to say sorry I swear that’ll happen man he either chooses between sea or land or gets them together I mean come on it’s obvious. But if it DOESNT go well the themes of destiny and inevitably even when you try to diverge from the path like Jay will always end up in a war with her family gill will always fail to fulfill the prophecy chip will always lose those he loves I mean come on that would be so sick

ANYWAYS that’s what I think this is all over the place bye

[yoiurboi]

Who Is The Traitor

Alright, JRWIeners, since Riptide is coming back in the next few months, I figured I finally get this discussion going again. Who do we think is the mole in Lizzie's crew?

The obvious answer is Caspian. He's kind of the odd one out in the crew, being the only one who predates the campaign. But also. Caspian seems to have been around Lizzie since the Shadowbeard days. Either this is a really long con or something else is up. I think if the mole is Caspian, then he's been replaced by a duplicate, as we saw with the whole DoppleGilly issue.

Then theirs John. While he is a former Navy soldier, I don't think he's the mole. If he was, why'd he get sent to the BLOCK? Unless they made a deal with him there or something??? Also he's been around the crew so much and there hasn't even been the slightest hint of any ulterior motives from him.

Aannnd I don't know enough about Rudith to make a judgement on that. Though, point on their favor, we found them on outlaw soil. Considering Jay got jumped just for looking like a Ferin (granted, she was actually a spy, but Lizzie didn't know that until well after), i doubt a navy rat could survive there for long.

I don't think we know about any other Grandberry pirates members. Idk. What do yall think? Sorry if this is ass, I'm typing this on my phone.

[tunababyyyy]

i think too many people assume gillion's upbringing was lavish. he says that he lived in/near the palace, but at one point he refers to his clothing as what "servants" of the elders would wear (i think in one of the episodes in edison city when they are disguising for the heist maybe?). I think gillion was intentionally raised utilitarian and humbly so that the elders could better break his spirit and make him follow orders similarly to how the military does in real life. by making him wear servant's clothes and train alone, they effectively strip him of his identity. keeping him away from his family is another strategy used by real-life militaries and cults to groom members into only taking orders. i have a hard time believing someone with an inferiority complex level like gillion would have been given any preferential treatment or luxuries.

[wings-of-flying]

half baked post at the moment but. jay's associated with the magical tree, which is pretty land coded. chip's associated with the black sea, which speaks for itself. what if gill has to choose between them instead of the actual land and sea?

by his choice one will remain, sea or land

i'm convinced he has to choose between saving the tree or restoring the black sea

[wings-of-flying]

niklaus told chip how to get to the black sea. he told him that they needed both drey and finn. if my theory about niklaus wanting the egg from the hole in the sea is correct, then he's definitely leading them there. specifically the riptide pirates, and therefore gillion (who owes niklaus a favour). idk guys i think i'm right on this theory that gillion's favour will be to get the egg

[wings-of-flying]

had to pause the video (episode 70) because arlin just said "i won't let anyone have it" and um. hm. okay. you guys remember my theory that gillion's favour to niklaus will be to retrieve the egg thing, right? and you also remember niklaus telling chip not to touch the thing down there, right? and there's a hard decision waiting for him, and that he's not to let arlin die? yeah. so i'm certain they're gonna have to fight arlin for that egg. and chip might have to turn against gillion

[wings-of-flying]

i've had some wacky theories before, we all know this, but i've got this idea that lizzie and edyn are going to die, just like ava did. the albatrio didn't meet by coincidence, so why would they all have an older sister figure by coincidence. all involved in one way or another with the navy. i think the elder sisters are doomed to die at the hands of raft

[wings-of-flying]

Bee's Riptide End-Game Theories/Predictions:

i'm writing this again because tumblr sent the last one to the Void™

1 - arlin will be taken over by the gunk like captain rose, and the albatrio will have to engage in a boss battle with him. this could end several ways: they win the fight but keep arlin alive, hopefully letting them bring him back and solve whatever the fuck's going on with the gunk; they win the fight but have to kill him, leading to either the fulfillment of arlin's vision of chip attacking him or a jay parallel of drey killing rose (or gill going wild and killing him, but with my next theory this doesn't fit as well

2 - gill's favour to niklaus will be to collect that egg from the hole in the sea place (i've made a post on why i think this is the case, but adding some stuff to it here) which means he won't be able to engage in the battle with arlin. which means if anything happens to jay or chip he'll be overcome with guilt because he's trained himself to protect them

3 - the corruption isn't being caused by niklaus, but by the conflict between the goddesses, meaning to end the corruption this conflict will need to be ended one way or another. and of course, as his prophecy states, i think gill will have to resolve this. but i don't think it'll be a 'i choose such and such' situation. i reckon he'll either have to kill one of the goddesses or kill one of the champions (or both)

4 - in terms of the sun champion, i reckon it'll be someone from the ferin family - cause of the fire and the weird dream jay had - and personally my bet's on ava. i reckon she's still out there somewhere and gill will have to choose between his life and his best friend's sister's. and we all know how worryingly selfless gill is

5 - i'm almost certain i had another point... hm... maybe i didn't... okay well nevermind this then lmao

of course, this is definitely not guaranteed to happen. in fact, pretty much every theory that i've shared has been wrong so like... but yeah even if i'm slightly along the right lines i'll count that as a win