#scip

[guestp]

Have you ever think about the reason Scott looked very happy because this might be the first time he has someone (kip) waiting for him at home. And he felt not so alone anymore 😔

[npdyke]

girldraki

[ilyapricot]

Long, analysis-y post that is all over the place+episode three/first book spoilers warning!

I was talking to the loml about episode 3 now that I’m almost finished with the first book, and I’ve been trying very hard to articulate what I felt was missing from the emotional core of the Scott and Kip episode that was present in the book.

And it’s class!! IMO class disparity is such a big theme in Scott and Kip’s relationship in the books and rewatching the episode with that context in mind I felt like that angle goes like. Entirely unexplored in the episode. Like Kip is a minimum wage worker at a smoothie shop, and occasionally a waiter for hire at events, and his boyfriend is a millionaire celebrity athlete and his best friend is a hyper-successful cybersecurity engineer. And he’s not exactly unaware of his utter misplacement in their world. And he almost chafes under Scott’s generosity! And Elena’s—as honestly any working class person would in a relationship(s) that is so financially imbalanced. And at times, through no real fault of their own, both of them are completely oblivious to his perspective as a result of it.

I’ve been like collecting excerpts from the book that I felt exemplified that theme to show my pookie—and there are so many, it really does feel like a major theme of the story. But I feel like this scene really is it: Kip at a party hosted by Elena’s job, wearing a suit Scott bought for him. Relating more to the automated servers than the people, and feeling utterly out of place:

This party scene really is a goldmine for Kip’s Working Class Alienation excerpts.

It’s a theme that feels literally so omnipresent! Like it’s one of the primary conflicts of their relationship, narratively, and I felt like the episode did not convey it at all. To the point that I low-key get why some show-only viewers didn’t really understand why Kip felt so alone at the end of the episode—it wasn’t just that being in a secret relationship was probably the first time this openly gay man who is accepted by his parents and entire community felt like he was something to be hidden, it’s also a natural consequence of him choosing to be in that slice of Scott’s world over everything else, and it being alienating to him because he’s not rich. But most wouldn’t arrive at that conclusion just off watching it, not really. It wouldn’t be unreasonable to walk away from the episode thinking Scott more than makes up for the fact he can’t come out with his generosity, rather than that actually being another thing that causes friction in their relationship, and that the ending made no sense.

I kept seeing comments about Kip saying “I miss my dad” to Scott after he’d been like essentially… stranded in the metaphorical tiny island in the sea that is Scott’s world where he doesn’t belong(and can’t even begin to yet, not while they have to keep it a secret) that were along the lines of “he’s acting like Scott kept him hostage.” Because... What if i told you he basically lowkey kinda did in a way😭 And that Scott himself acknowledges that that’s what they were looking towards if he doesn’t inevitably come out.

And it wasn’t just Scott. The idea of being kept—alone, not following his ambitions, living off and for Scott and nothing else—was an anxiety that Kip grappled with and chafed under too!

And honestly all that was my favourite part of Scip’s relationship, it’s what makes reading them so interesting, and rooting for them to beat the odds so fun. But the episode didn’t really show any of the odds—just their consequences. And I feel it really hollowed out the emotional core of their story.

But I get why it was like that. They had to condense like most of the first book down to 40 -some minutes, and at the end of the day it’s still the Hollanov show, episode 3 was mostly there because Scip’s storyline is crucial to the development of Shane and Ilya’s relationship later on. It was a one-episode crash course in Scipology, so I guess I shouldn’t complain. But I do love complaining.

[dykeclef-moved]

ok for starters. clefs entire self image relies on being A Man. so we're off to a great start here re: her entire transgenderism thing. A LOTTTTTT of this is due to sexual trauma and general issues about being degendered its awesome it is So fucking awesome. she is Extremely intersex & transfem coded in this way and thats awesome to me.

cass & it are both extremely similar to eachother in the sense that its entire presentation hinges on being seen As A Man, with almost every sentence out of her mouth being something to spark debate. she touts itself as a Cool Badass Strong Guy while being extremely insecure and depressed about it. SO MUCH of this ranges from the fact shes 1) ex-military, and 2) a victim of f on m domestic abuse.

she comes from a background of over masculinization and christian religious trauma. she was told to believe men can only Do harm and cannot be victims of harm, and so thereby believes she is 1) less of a man and 2) doesnt Deserve to be viewed as a human (<- the degendering goes hand in hand with the dehumanization). she Constantly refuses to see herself as a person if she isnt viewed as a man. so much of her issues resolve around the fact she views being seen as less of a man A Terrible Thing, while also viewing manhood as An Even Worse Thing. she believes manhood is something to be earned and to be Respected, which is to say feared. her ideas of masculinity and by extension manhood are heavily warped by decades of military experience and sexual trauma.

she is severely self conscious about the idea of not being viewed as "masculine enough", so much so that she has become an exact replica of everything she deems to be "manly". shes a snarky, violent, unpredictable man. she views herself as incapable of being anything else not only because of who she is but because of who everyone views her as. she has trapped herself in a hell of her own making and has no plans to escape it, solely because she views it as necessary for her survival. she cannot conceptualize a version of herself that is not masculine, because francis was degendered too much that she views it as an inherently bad and wrong take on who she is as a person. she cannot separate francis' trauma, and by extension her trauma, with her own gender identity; parts of which is in and of itself caused by the trauma.

ultimately her fascination with masculinity stems purely from trauma, with all of it descending from either the sexual abuse or the militaristic experience. her air of masculinity is a lie and she continues to perpetuate it as the 'father of lies' because that is all her identity has ever been. she believes that if she is able to lie hard enough, make enough people believe it, then she will finally be registered as a man. in reality, she is viewed as less than, not even given the privilege of manhood, by virtue of how she acts. she has dehumanized herself, put on such a show, that people have viewed her instead as an aggressor rather than a man. she is unable to tell the difference, and thereby believes her plan has worked.

tldr clef is ultimately genuinely unhappy as a man but is unable to process or understand that due to her extensive trauma

[just-me-12358]

I fear I cannot dig myself out of the hole so I simply must dig deeper. ✨AO3 here I come✨

[runawayfangirl93]

This has been in my brain ever since I watched the Scip episode and maybe I'm just not understanding something cause I haven't read the book (and I might got some of that undiagnosed tism), so please don't kill me if I missed something.

While I agree with the point that Elena was trying to make trying to protect her friend's heart, the way she went about it upset me a bit. Not only is the relationship young but Scott has been in the closet for years for what are valid reasons to him, you can't just push someone out of the closet like that. Besides Kip had said he was ok where they were so I don't get why she had to do that.

[red-tree]

"I watched Wild Robot (tm) today and it was so amazing, it was beautiful, I am so impressed and I had a vision... am I the only one who likes to find some pararrels with characters and my ocs"

[shsl--fangirl]

Things that could be considered scps

The Polar express

Jumanji

The gorilla from the glue commercials

feel free to add on