#spn negative

[nightingalefeminist]

An open threat letter to the CW and the writers who shall forever be unnamed:

We own Supernatural now. It is utterly and unequivocally ours to fix as we see fit. The justice we will serve to these characters, the reverence that our artists and writers will bring to the story by rewriting and redoing and reliving will be nothing like you’ve seen before. And when fans look back on SPN they will not remember you, they’ll remember the people who actually made it what it is.

[lunellumcas]

So true, king

[finalgirlbrainrot]

I love how people defend moc!dean by saying he only killed bad people (which isn't even true, but let's say he was)

and yet I seem to remember a certain kitsune named amy pond who was also killing bad people (and not for the fun of it, but to save her son) and how dean killed her and people defended him back then as well, bc killing people is bad!!!! even if you're killing bad people!!!!!!!!

apparently killing bad people is only okay if dean does it

[pickledeyes]

That post you reblogged, say that! Dean's been abusive throughout his entire time on the show (it's not ooc and it gets worse every season). Everytime he's nice to Sam or Cas, I'm like okay so when is he going to say something or do something absolutely cruel to them (and without fail he always ends up doing just that)

I could probably write an essay about it but I don’t really want to right now. But yea, Dean constantly claims that he’s protecting Sam but he’s only trying to protect a version of Sam that doesn’t exist. The Sam who’s a good hunter who listens to orders and doesn’t question anything, doesn’t raise “ethical” questions.  Inserting a keep reading cause I went off a bit...

Anytime Sam or Cas mess up, Dean will bring up their mistakes for years afterwards and make them re-live the shame and guilt. He doesn’t try to assure them that it was a mistake, that they can move past it or anything, because he doesn’t want them to. It’s a control tactic, because Dean is the moral standpoint and anyone who disagrees with him is too far below and should follow him. 

And the mistakes will be like, Sam not knowing that killing Lilith releases Lucifer, Sam not knowing where to begin to find Dean and Cas because he didn’t know what the hell Purgatory was, and for once honoring their thing about how they won’t go raising one another from the dead. 

Or it’s Cas trying to keep the Winchesters away from a Civil War (Apocalypse 2.0) up in Heaven since they’d already been through hell, but he made a poor decision in opening Purgatory to end that war. Cas not wanting to let Balphagor do that exact same thing bc it would become another huge problem for them, and not knowing that the alternative would be that Rowena dies to close the rift. 

But when DEAN messes up, it’s self-pity hour with the asshole loser who cries about how bad of a person he is while Sam and/or Cas tell him he’s such a good man and he’s just made a mistake!! He can come back from this!! 

Meanwhile the mistakes are like, torturing souls in hell and being really good at it. Letting Gadreel possess Sam and then SAM having the memory of his own hands murdering Kevin but it’s still pity-hour for Dean cause it’s arguably his fault that he lied to Sam to agree to be possessed by an unknown angel in the first place even though Sam was okay with dying. Killing Amy, not trusting Sam when he said that Amy is a good person and deserves to live, and thus leaving her son an orphan. Learning that Jack was going to die in order to kill Chuck and getting angry at Sam for not wanting Jack to die?

Season 15 was a culmination of Dean Winchester caring about himself and his self-image first and foremost, and extending those “feelings” to versions of the people around him he desperately wanted them to be but failed to realize they weren’t no matter how much he tried manipulating them to be the people he wanted them to be. And when he realized that they weren’t who he wanted them to be, ultimately, he cared about his own sense of free will and decided “fuck it, if I gotta kill Sam and Cas to kill God, who cares” and that’s why he pointed a gun at Sam. 

okay so i sorta wrote an essay anyway... 

EDIT: I feel like adding this but this isn’t to say that Cas and Sam are without faults, because they have ALSO made shit decisions that they needed to make up for. But not only were they more likely to genuinely try to make up for egregious mistakes (like Cas trying to help Claire) but they were usually also trying to make up for or were continuing to beat themselves up over mistakes they made when they didn’t know that they were being lied to or misled to (or were possessed/controlled) make poor decisions (like Sam beating himself up over killing Lilith).

[bananonbinary]

Why have you fallen out of love with Supernatural?

cause it sucks

okay real answer: originally it was just because the plot was....bad. i originally watched it through like season 8 as an act of rebellion against my hyper-conservative upbringing, and then even that spite wasn’t enough to carry me and i was like “this is nonsense and frustrating to watch.” they frequently just ignore or retcon all the interesting bits of worldbuilding, dropped tons of plot threads with nothing even close to resolution, and the constant drive to make the stakes Bigger and More Interesting was almost comical. it never needed to stop being a show about driving around the country saving people.

now, it’s hard to enjoy even the episodes i did like, even in any sort of so-bad-its-good way, because i’ve learned a lot about my own gender and identity and the extremely bad takes on women, the casual homophobia, and beyond-parody toxic masculinity are just a pain to sit through. dean will just make some really gross comment about women or something and we’re just supposed to be like “oh that rascal.” it ruins the whole thing for me.

also the catholic worldbuilding is very uninteresting to me now, because it doesnt really actually deconstruct anything beyond a surface-level “what if god bad tho.”

[confusedfeelsfangirl]

I’m still not over how lame the final two episodes of Supernatural were. So bad, that I regularly think “oh I can’t wait to see how they’ll fix this mess...” only to realise this really how they decided to end their 15 year long saga... Dean dying in the most ridiculous way, Sam becoming a normal scrappy old man, and Castiel never mentioned again after literally saving the Winchesters and possibly all of humanity for love. I mean, fuck... I hate it so bad...

Supernatural used to let me escape my daily anxiety and look up to heroes who struggled but were able to get back up after every fall, now I’m haunted by the clear message of “conform or die” that the finale left us with. It’s SO contradictory with the whole show’s message... they literally defeated god and achieved true free will only to die and / or lose their whole essence... I hate it.

[peaperson]

This is why I'm upset about the SPN ending. They had a perfect opportunity to stand up to hate like this, and they threw it away.

[writinginthesecrettrees]

“Gimme Shelter”

Finally sitting down to watch this and I’ve got a lot of trepidation.

First thoughts: I don’t know if it’s the writing or the kids they cast, but these young Sam & Dean don’t feel like the weechesters I’m familiar with. And this whole premise; that this random kid from their past that we’ve never heard of somehow knows how to get in touch with Sam and Dean after how long? It just doesn’t make sense.

And just... “Monsters are real.” Just like that.