#st4 speculation

[jerryseinfeldisafurry]

if evil horrible hell monster banished from earth, then why sexy and beautiful???

[thecreelhouse]

i still have a massive headache from ugly crying over the finale, so this will probably be messy, but here’s some thoughts if anyone cares !

maybe i missed something but was there any more of a reason as to why the upside down was frozen in time? idk maybe this is me being nit picky but that feels like suuuuch a major detail to mention and reference to and then not have it really amount to anything important? idk maybe it’s just me! but like i’m really interested and would love if that was explained a bit further if possible next season.

look i’m not one to kiss the duffers’ asses by any means like i can respect valid criticism abt the show and a lot of it i get behind, but it hasn’t even been 24 hours and y’all are ripping it apart already? everyone can feel how they feel, that’s normal! it won’t be everyone’s cup of tea… but damn, y’all are getting so harsh about plot points that have been under our noses this whole time lol come on now

which brings me to my next point: everyone acting like the stancy nonsense is coming out of nowhere. i’ll admit, it was jarring to me too! steve deserves better and a chance to move onward imo, and it’s great that him and nancy are friends at least!! but it doesn’t mean they have to pick up a relationship that had no future to begin with. however, it’s not surprising (at least to me idk?) that steve was still longing for whatever he thought they could’ve had. it seemed like since s3, he’s been searching for a distraction, i guess? maybe not so much from nancy herself, but the loss of love itself, and how he hasn’t been able to find a connection he felt so strongly about since. the mention of his dream of having a family isn’t far fetched imo. was it cringy for him? yeah maybe. but looking back at how he’s an only child, was constantly ignored and neglected by his own parents, it’s not an insane concept that he would want to start a family of his own. he would want to be a better parent than his parents were to him. that guy has the biggest heart in hawkins, it’s almost baffling people are angry that he voiced wanting a positive future. and while he values the found family he has with everyone now, it’s really still not an outlandish concept that he would someday want to live a “normal” (in hawkins’ standard at least) life.

the way max talks about how she wanted billy, her abusive step brother, to essentially have something awful happen to him— that’s a very common trauma response. to be afraid and compliant around an abuser in person because you’re too afraid to defend yourself? that’s incredibly common. same with how she goes on to say she eventually wanted to die herself, that was textbook survivor’s guilt right there. (doesn’t she even say something like that herself? i can’t remember i need to rewatch. but it’s heavily implied.) it’s kind of frustrating seeing some of y’all say it was a disservice to her character, when it was showing a more realistic, albeit textbook, side of surviving abuse/a specific abuser. not every survivor reacts in these ways, but to say it’s ridiculous or out of line for her character is just … silly, to say the least. not trying to justify her fake out death; i know a lot of fans are sick of that by now, but it definitely made sense in the grand scheme of things.

people are upset about will’s coming out scene and how it’s left up to interpretation. and in a way, i get it, but we have an incredibly safe, loving and supportive coming out scene with robin opening up to steve about her sexuality. and that’s not to say media can’t have multiple happy queer moments! personally, i’d love to see it more everywhere! but i also really appreciate the subtlety of will’s scene. because not everyone reacts the same, especially in the 80s, it just wasn’t as accepted back then. shit, i was just as terrified as will was when i came out in the 2000s lmao so like. it can be really terrifying for some lgbtq+ folks. i get wanting specific representation, i.e. if you don’t identify as a lesbian, rather a gay/queer masc person, i get you wouldn’t be able to fully relate to robin’s story. but that doesn’t mean we should ignore the fantastic queer representation we already have, loud and proud as all hell. i’ve seen multiple fandom blogs mention how it feels like lesbophobia, and i think that’s a justified feeling. we can appreciate the fact that coming out, especially in that decade, is on a whole spectrum of emotions. it was very realistic imo, but maybe that’s just me being an annoying ass *~*~elder gay~*~*~ or whatever the fuck.

i could word all of that better i’m sure but my brain is still fried from staying up earlier. so my apologies to anyone who actually reads this if it doesn’t make sense. i know i have some other things i wanna ramble about but i can’t remember rn.

im so so so open to discussion and theories and opinions !!!! as long as you’re not mean. i’ll leave reblogs on and my ask is still open but please don’t use it to be rude. i definitely do not have the spoons to handle that today lol.

was it perfect? fuck no. was it the best season? imo i think s2 is still the best, but this definitely was better than s3 imo. they weren’t kidding when they said this season was bigger than anyone could imagine. i thought it was really worth the wait!

[fallenangelontheceiling]

An allegory/foreshadowing theory I love

[avitally]

saw a tiktok theory that K*ren Wheeler is Vecna/Henry Creel's sister, Alice, and since we've got literally no info on why she of all characters gets a poster, it could make a bit of sense.

[flytrap-3994]

I was thinking about vecna and i thought of something… (st 4 spoilers)

Why are Kali’s powers so similar? I mean obviously she cant posses people like Vecna could but they both can make people see things that arent there and use it to freak out the people they are using their powers against.

It makes me wonder how Kali escaped Hawkin’s lab. Maybe Henry/Vecna/001 helped her escape before the massacre?? I know its unlikely but its still fun to think about

[madaboutmunson]

The more I watch the ST4 vol2 trailer the more I get worried. The way El is leaving before completing her training is giving me major Luke in Empire Strikes back vibes, and well that didn't end very well for a few of the characters now did it...

[lumaxramblings]

Listen they can kill Murray Enzo and Eddie just don't touch Steve I know a lot of people are rabid over Eddie but I've known that man for 4 minutes and as much as I like him Steve's death would hit me 1000 times harder he reminds of barb and how everyone was crying throwing up about her death except it's a white boy lmao

i doubt they'll kill steve bc not only is he The Fan Favourite Of Fan Favourites, but shawn levy also says that the day steve dies is the day he no longer works on st so yeah !

[t4tozier]

okay my predictions for vol 2 based on the trailer:

- max is gonna die

- steve or eddie will die but not both

- will coming out scene in surfer boy??

- two ways it could go: either he just comes out to jonathan and he’s crying w relief bc he was so scared or he came out to mike and mike rejected him???

- or it’s not a coming out scene and someone died

- the sbpg goes back to cali for joyce and takes a plane back to hawkins w/out argyle