takepartinmanythings replied to your post: as annoyed as falice makes me, i think my real...
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just that that particularly pairing in the present day makes no sense. i’m all for fp and alice having a relationship, but throwing them together just does nothing for me.
it fucks over fp and all the development that he’s had as a character. it fucks over who alice is as a character. it was used a vehicle to fuck over hal as a character.
but most importantly, it completely sidelines gladys, a character that is already hated and already fucked over before she’s ever really had a moment of screentime. i guess you could count that one sided conversation that jughead had in season one if you really wanted.
i can’t even be mad that it’s blatanly a fan service thing when ships on cw shows are often fan service, especially when you’re dealing with heterosexual pairings.
but it really just boils down to the fact that at the start of this season alice and fp weren’t who they were as teenagers when this relationship could have made sense, and both characters have moved past that and for them to back to it isn’t narratively interesting to me.
i’m sorry but it’s not cute for me to watch a married man lust after a married woman when like there’s no real narrative reason for them to be together other than fans really want fp to be the father of a child that he clearly didn’t want either based on that dinner scene from season one. and you can’t convince me that in any universe there would be a child that fp didn’t want. even when fp was still being portrayed as a shit father and in deep with his alocholism family was his top priority. he’s always wanted the best for jughead and when jellybean has been mentioned it’s clear that he cares for her too and so even if they were seventeen you can’t convince me that twenty years later fp would sit at a dinner table and have no idea what was going on or that he could help hide a body for alice and her son that’s the same age as the last time alice and him were hooking up and not bring that up. like the fp that i know and i stan would definitely be more concerned with alice not telling him that he helped hid a body for their son than blowing her off because of some play.
but also this notion that alice would pursue a romantic relationship with a married man after she chastised hal FOR DOING THAT SAME SHIT and while she herself is still married and wearing her wedding ring. like fuck that. but also like this notion that alice should feel guilty for leaving her gang past in the past makes zero sense. you can embracet the fact that that was part of your story without reverting to a literal teenager and suddenly incorporating snake printo into your personal style with a bag that looks like it belongs in a fucking claire’s. you can make amends for blaming the evils of Riverdale on the Serpents without going back to the place you tried so hard to escape. It is fucking okay for you to be on the Northside now and have a successful career, it is okay for you to be doing better than where you started from. And having FP/Alice in a relationship drags her back to where she started and in a place that she obviously wasn’t comfortable.
As FP really his downward slide could be blamed on Jughead whose own ties to the Serpents are fucking stupid. But like the man is out on parole and he’s commited trafficked drugs, hid a fucking body and is associating with other known criminals. All things that in any sane world would get you sent back to prison even if it was over crowded. Meanwhile his true love interest best friend has been shot and is currently running for Mayor. Have there been times where Fred has turned his back on FP, sure? Like that arguement could be made, but the fact that we are almost 20 episodes in and they have yet to cross paths or have any kind of meaningful conversation but we can get stupid scenes of this romance is actually infuriating. Especially given the fact that Fred has put so much into helping FP out in the past and if FP really is clean and sober the fact we couldn’t even get a fucking stereotypical scene where FP is working his 12 steps and goes to Fred to make amends, like really? It doesn’t need to be long and extended, it could even be totally silent for ten seconds and I’d be happy.
There are just so many other things that could have happened this season and Falice just wasn’t needed, partially because it was part of the unneeded Chic storyline that has gone nowhere and will go nowhere and was all around a complete waste of everyone’s time.
If you want to ship it that’s fine. It’s very popular among a large segment of the fandom. I just think that the partent dynamics were some of my favorite moments of season 1 and the fact that this unneeded relationship doesn’t gel with anything that was established then, at least as it sits in present time and not as a strictly teenage thing, just makes me roll my eyes out of my fucking skull.
But also on a completely separate note that has nothing really to do with storylines and established canon, I just don’t like that the notion that somehow all the parents were in unhappy relationships and married the wrong person. I don’t think that Hal and Alice had a perfect marriage, it was always clear that it wasn’t, but I still love them together and I think that I would really like Gladys and FP [ if only because in canon it’s still very clear that FP cares deeply about Gladys, so like why he’d be throwing himself at fucking Alice is a mystery, but like I said, this part is not about established canon ]. I think that I would be less bothered if the narrative wasn’t setting up the fact that all of the parents had fucked up marriages and were terribly unhappy and got divorced were set against this idea that all of the kids have found the one person that they are going to be with and are going to move heaven and earth to stay in these relationships.
All of these things are just, a fucking choice. Not really one that I agree with. If you want a messy teen drama where everyone hooks up with everyone, that’s fine. But that’s not really what we have going on here,
But like I said, if you ship it then you fucking ship that shit. I don’t have to agree with you. Maybe by season 29 of the show I’ll be on board, but as it stands right now I just really can’t see the appeal.
