#team green

[brightestpurple]

In these first few episodes, they’ve talked a lot about rats in the Red Keep, but honestly, at no point did they address why there were so many. And why did they kill the ratcatchers? Are these writers really that afraid to even mention Jaehaerys's name? It seems like they either forgot or are doing it on purpose to avoid bringing up the event from the second season. I hope this ages like sour milk and that the subject is addressed in the remaining episodes of this third season.

[tessarionbestgirl]

How convenient: the plot aims to isolate Alicent from other characters so that she only communicates with Rhaenyra. Their dialogues are so boring and don't move the plot forward in any way.

I think one thing I have see being a common criticism of the episodes so far. No matter the reviews I step on. Is that Rhaenyra and Alicent scenes are lackluster at least. And stupid at most.

And to be fair, I believe this their scenes could be great. Just base on the show. They share so much history. But there is like a effect when comes to Rhaenyra and her love interests is that they never fully address the layers of it because the show whitewash the blacks.

So their scenes should be loaded with conflict emotions and multiple things should be playing at once here. And I think David did a better job in this episode compared to last one that Alicent and Rhaenyra share those intimacy scenes regarding Otto. Who Rhaenyra killed.

And I am trying to understand Alicent I'm character perspective why is she is acting like this. Why she is giving free information like this.

And this episode kind of clicks to me.

Because of Ormund of all people.

They come from a very much alike out bring.

Alicent believes the same thing as Omrund does. But she is also political pragmatical and desire control as her father did.

So her conflicted feelings regarding her own kids steams from the same place Ormund feels regarding Daeron. But is lass about blood to her and more about Targaryen ways of life.

So she flips a lot on seeing Rhaenyra as nasty Targaryen and pure girl. Same with Helaena, and that is why she says to Helaena, she wants to redeem her. Because she seems Helaena as sinfully for marrying Aegon. But at same time she seems her lost innocence for being forced to many, on Helaena, so there is a sort of projection here. She project her sins and failures on her kids. Because at end of the day Hightowers and Targaryens are the same.

She got pissed at Aegon because she didn't listen Otto and so her. Same as Omrund would react if Daeron act up.

Aemond was her favourite son until he becomes more like the Targaryens she learned to hate.

Her betraying Aegon, is her choosing her political views over her family. She in S2 was choosing power over those she love a lot. And we see that with Criston and then her male sons.

Meanwhile this season we see her weakness for her kids. And maybe that is why she is acts this way as mother. And have a hard time to show her emotions. Because she seems them as her weaknesses her sins in the way of her political views and morals.

[sansa-stark-is-me]

Its funny that some people are saying "who is the father!" When it comes to Helaena's pregnancy. It kind of shows that they don't know much about pregnancy at all then. Especially in a medieval type of world, it takes quite a few months for a pregnancy to start to show or even be known to the pregnant person. She is most likely at least 4 months or more along. And the timeline before Aegon's injury in battle was obviously along those lines. Or according to the show, between 3 to 4 months have passed between Aegon's injury and at least the start of season 3. It is obviously Aegon's. I mean with how they wrote Helaena, she is not the type to sleep with someone else, she may not like her brother all that much but she would not break her marriage vows. And if it was a non-consensual event, we the audience would know about it since the show LOVES to show women being assaulted. I mean hell, the other characters like Alicent or the servants would have known about it. But yeah, I just thought the confusion is weird. Although maybe I shouldn't be too optimistic given the track record of Condal and Hess's BS storylines. But I'm hoping I'm right.

I don’t really get the “Who’s the father?” speculation either. Based on the timeline we’ve been shown, Aegon is the obvious answer.

As you said pregnancies don’t become visible immediately, and in a medieval setting they weren’t recognized until several months in. If several months have passed since Aegon’s injury as the show itself suggests then the timing lines up perfectly. On top of that, nothing in Helaena’s characterization points toward an affair. And if the writers intended the pregnancy to result from sexual assault, that would be an enormous plot point and it could even serve as another motivation for Alicent to turn against Aemond. Given the show’s history with Alicent, it’s hard to imagine they would keep something like that completely hidden from both the audience and the other characters.

I don’t really get why people try to invent sibling romances that aren’t even in the text/show. Aegon/Helaena is already an arranged incestuous marriage. Turning Aemond/Helaena into another romance when there’s little to support it just feels unnecessary to me. I don’t mind people shipping whatever they want in fiction, but I do find it odd when every meaningful interaction between siblings gets interpreted as romantic.

Nothing in Fire & Blood suggests either brother was romantically interested in Helaena. Their marriage was between Aegon and Helaena because that was the Targaryen custom, not because of romance, and Aemond is never portrayed as harboring feelings for her. People interpret a few scenes in the show as romantic. I think fandom has a habit of turning any emotionally charged interaction into a ship.

And honestly… it’s already an incestuous family. I don’t really see the appeal of adding another sibling romance that isn’t supported by the source material.

[sansa-stark-is-me]

Oh my goddddddd they are back with the 'actually rhaenyra won in the end' just shut uuuuupppp. Tell me you didn't understand the story without telling me

Ahh I’ve seen two arguments get mashed together from team black Stans. One minute it’s “Fire & Blood is Green propaganda. Gyldayn was biased. History is written by the victors, so they smeared Rhaenyra” The next minute it’s, “Actually Team Black won.” YOU CAN’T SIMULTANEOUSLY ARGUE THAT “THE VICTORS WRITE HISTORY” WHILE ALSO CLAIMING YOUR SIDE WERE THE VICTORS AND THEN INSIST THE HISTORY WAS WRITTEN BY THE OTHER SIDE.

[tessarionbestgirl]

Dragon and their riders.

The reason why Daemon and now Omrund is some what likeable. Even though Daemon is not close to be the consistent character he was. It that they are passionate about what they believe. They just go about in different ways. But they are foils for each other.

Is not that hotd lacks heroes. They lack passion.

The most emotional bonds we get are the dragons and their riders but is more a psycho connection and representation of their riders.

Daemon craves intimacy and so so Caraxys that is why he is the most reactive dragon when he sees another dragon. Vhagar didn't kill Luke because she is bloody thirsty but she senses Aemond deep desire for justice though violence. Sheepstealer attacks Daemon because she senses though Rhaena her rage. Rhaena is always portrayed as isolated from her family and so is sheepstealer. Sunfyre was a golden boy that is very affectionate to Aegon because they only have each other and only believe each other. And more than ever is what we see this now. Dreamfyre and Helaena share dreams and dreamfyre hides Helaena own rage on herself and she spend most of her appearance because Helaena is the actual queen in chains. The queen that is powerless. And in a even more Targaryen in chains is Daeron. That hides Tessarion in a cave in chains. In the dark hiding who he is.

Maelys and Moondancer are better in better because Baela and Rheanys are pragmatism. They dance on the battle field.

The last Jace shot is though his dragon eyes. It is a hopeless death the same expression Jace holds in his final moments.

And that is why the dragons scenes always are highlighting moments of a episode too.

[thesunfyre4446]

Rhaenyra telling Alicent in the godswood that she wouldn’t have harmed Daeron falls flat to me because the last time Rhaenyra swore something to Alicent in the godswood, it was a partial lie covering a bigger lie and saying it all in the name of her mother (motherhood).

i mean yeah, i don't think rhaenyra wants to harm the kid. she knows he's innocent. but again, if she wants to secure her & joff's position she'll have to kill every legitimate male heir from TG line. like daemon said. and after losing 2 sons she's def wayyy more inclined to... murder lol

[tessarionbestgirl]

I don't know if you can say this, but where do you find the leaks? On Reddit? Twitter, or some other site? Because I look and can't find anything; I only found episodes 1 through 4, but I don't know where to look for episode 5 onwards. I'd appreciate it if you could share that. Have a good day.

Team Green Reddit has some.. also there is a very old Reddit that is back on the day of game of thrones that gets those leaks but I won't sharing.

Dragon demands on yt is a reliable source for leaks and bts.

And multiple twitter shit I come in contact..

There other sources as well but I won't disclose.

About episode 5. There is one reliable reviewer. Voice of Oldtown that was critical of the first 4 episodes and he enjoyed a lot episode 5.

So I actually think is one my be good.