#trans-misogyny

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[the-secret-transfeminist]

"I just wanna focus on transmasc issues!"

Then. Do that?

And Stop;

• comparing everything to trans-misogyny when you don't even get the concept - you just want an equivalent to stop feeling obligated to care about it

• getting upset when transfeminism is largely from transfems that made literature about their experiences and transfems who still speak about it

• thinking a transfem talking about trans-misogyny is a personal attack on you

• insisting every structural issue unique to transfems is actually something "we all" face

• On the flip also insisting that transfems just wouldn't understand your connection to femaleness/womanhood and the oppression there - you face UNIQUE things that we do not

• Framing all your conversations around "transfems dont want us to acknowledge we experience oppression!"

• Framing conversations around "sex based oppression" and "male socialization" to prove your points

• Getting upset transfems have their own culture and insisting you NEED your "own version"

• Getting upset when transfems are taken care of and are having their voices listened to and insisting it should be about YOU instead

• Getting upset transfems talk about THEIR issues and not yours

I can go on... You're not called trans-misogynistic because you wanna discuss your oppression (crypto-TERF take btw), it's because you are obsessed with framing everything as you in opposition to transfeminized people and our conversations, our community, our activism, our culture...

Whenever transmasculine people actually create things for themselves instead of being upset transfeminized people didn't create anything for them, you know how transfeminist spaces react? HAPPY. With PRAISE. We discuss it, suggest it to each other, hype it up.. We care, too. The reason you don't recieve the same is because you are doing something that needs to be criticized (comes with the activist space btw - cant handle it dont speak i guess). And the fact you refuse to listen to that and wish to utilize and perpetuate trans-misogyny to deflect from your (now-willful) ignorance is an issue.

It's why you don't see any progress and you are only capable of posting about discourse and the same 5 points and why nobody engages with you how you want - because you functionally went into an activist space, decided to learn nothing, be harmful to others, and then expect praise for it. Nobody will engage with half-baked "if you don't affirm my oppression you're saying I'm not valid!" because we have bigger conversations to actually discuss. So maybe be ACTUALLY caring what you claim to and listen to the actual words other people tell you and you'd get farther... idk..

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a "he/it/they" in bio just told me "Jax went my He him until he Extracted. So im callin him He."

like shit remenver when we used to gaf. remember when we used to mourn all the trans people who killed themselves and werent out and so nobody to remember them could ever even think to call them the right pronouns. there was no shot the right name was on the grave. they died lonely, scared, tortured by society, like ISTTG they were burried alive and they died burried. Nobody ever saw the real them.

Remember when we used to mourn all the ways in death we would be unable to be ourselves, and then have compassion for those who never got to even in life? Now we have members of our own community saying things like this.

It's not a fandom discourse to me, it is indicative of your overall opinions on other trans people. If you want to go out of your way to misgender a trans woman in death, no the reason doesn't matter, I don't trust you. Fiction or not. In fiction y'all love to write think pieces about how y'all wanna brutalize us and be horrible to us - and we are just supposed to take any BS excuse as justification. I am tired. No more.

[penatola]

Do you think since trans dudes typically are born and innately face traditional misogyny, then break the patriarchy's roles or whatever they face transphobia (which is inherently misogynistic, too) that that's why things don't intersect the same they do as a typical trans woman?

Because our traditional misogyny inherently comes WITH the transphobia, it attacks the same identity. So maybe that's why?

Like how when people try to say "well obvs I'm oppressed for being a man, I'm a trans man and the manhood is why I am trans" - except this time it'a actually a systemically abused identity so it intersects instead of yk, masculinity. (no, misandry is not a real oppression under the patriarchy - traditional misogyny IS though)

Anyways so since our shit inherently comes together it presents as it's own intertwined thing? Maybe? Idk I'm trying to think why trans-misogyny would be it's own systemic thing and put trans women lower in theory on the patriarchy - but there be no intersected equivalent or anything for ' trans TMEs' and such

I'm like. One of the alters who ain't never got the time to read them books so I'm more ignorant but I know we speak on them so from how other alters describe it is it like this? Transfeminists please lmk or correct me

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[the-secret-transfeminist]

The entirety of "honeybee transfems" from the concept to the community is antithetical to anything helpful to intersex peoples, yet they tout our oppressions around as justification for their perisex existence.

Transfem/transmasc is inherently AGABless, because of the anti-AGAB language push. We don't need a new word for that. It's not really AGABless if the entire community still refers to themselves as "AFAB transfems" and everyone else as "AMAB transfems", especially since the community seems to be more bioessentially than most other communities that are called out for it.. it's entirely based on AGAB as if it is fact and as if it's a horoscope..

It was not made with intersex people in mind, the spaces to dont advocate for intersex people or work to unlearn their ignorance against us, it was made by perisex people for perisex people, and it reeks of bigotry because of that.

That community is essentially trans-misogyny excused by "nooo this is for intersex people!" - which only works to fuck US over.

[the-secret-transfeminist]

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[the-secret-transfeminist]

Why is there so much vitriol and seemingly anger between trans women /transfem people and trans men /transmasc folks on tumblr? I'm new and was trying to maybe find community here but it feels so horrible to see everyone at each other instead of supporting each other

I hope you have a good day

Hi! The short answer: years if discourse and bullshit piling up and rising tensions

Explained by someone else in a comment section I'm going to just blatantly quote:

lilacchao

i'll take this a bit at a time in the hope of writing clearly re "transfeminists and trans men are fighting": at its core, it's an argument of "can trans women, transfems, and transfeminised people please be treated better in the trans community?" vs "how dare you accuse us of treating you poorly, we're all treated equally poorly by everyone, i bet you hate trans men, now shut up and stay quiet" - and, of course, the only part anyone hears is "you hate trans men", so now everyone sees transfems as "misandrists"

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It really boils down to a few shitty people and a whole lotta transfeminists making the internet mad cuz people fundamentally don't understand trans-misogyny nor transfeminism and think every discussion of it somehow has a sinister, hidden meaning against tguys...

Lowkey it used to be better but now adays it's the same claims that nobody ever says being quoted and argued against as if transfeminists believe it and they are repeated so much a lot of the internet believes it. Because it's easier to take the side of the drama that's saying "uphold the beliefs that mena you don't have to acknowledge privilege or unlearn bigotry or put in work" than to actually research ykwim?

Like inherently to people it's the better, and easier option. Since all you need is ignorance. It's more complex than I can explain but really i's people not wanting to acknowledge trans-misogyny mixed with self-perpetuating ignorance, mixed with bad faithed actors trying to rise tensions even more.

I guess. Others can surely explain it better, I was there for it but I hardly have the speaking capabilities.