#tva is evil

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If Thor was arrested by TVA and Mobius told that he was guilty of the death of his family and the destruction of Asgard, no one would doubt that TVA is evil.

...Wait, are you telling me that there are people who doubt that TVA is evil? I mean the narrative still shows them in a neutral way. But it's hard to miss their fascistic vibes! Does hero/villain coding affect people's perception to this extent?

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Why can't I help feeling that if Mobius had shown Loki this memories he would have said Odin had died because Loki had banished him. Same about Thor. Your brother is dead and you too are dead because of Mad Titan. These memories were very well manipulated. Loki doesn't know Odin would have sentenced him to death. He doesn't know that he would stay in a cell for a year. That Frigga defend Odin's bad parenting. That Frigga died because of Aether, not Loki's words. That Thor is alive!

I completely agree with you. That is what Mobius would have done. What he did was psychological manipulation and gaslighting. He lied and explained the events in a way to break Loki's walls and make him vulnerable to accept his POV and offer. Which is actually a method of torture in interrogation that is specially used on political prisoners where I live. The part when Mobius lied that Loki was responsible for his mother's death specifically reminded me of them and made me sick to my stomach. What they do is that during many physical and psychological torture sessions they tell the prisoner who is been kept in isolation from the outside world for so long(in solitary confinement with no contact to their family), that one of their parents(usually their mother) has died as a result of their political acts of resistance and fights(because they couldn't bear so much worry and anxiety for their child in prison). This usually results in the prisoner breaking and accepting whatever they want from them and in some cases it cause them to commit suicide.

Now imagine what kind of psychological torture Loki went through by what Mobius said to him, right after his time with Thanos and his history of suicide. Which is why I'm baffled that many fans and also the creators consider it as therapeutic and what Loki "needed"! I don't expect that people be aware of this form of torture. But I thought the difference between psychological manipulation and a therapy session is obvious. Apparently not. I guess they think Loki needed that because they see him a villain who deserve this.

And don't get me start on thinking that Mobius cares about Loki, or according to creators he is inherently good! You don't constantly belittle, manipulate and insult the person you care about. Mobius is an agent specializing in catching dangerous variants. So the way he sees Loki is a tool to help to him catch this variant who is escaping TVA and for doing that he uses every way he knows like psychological manipulation and using Loki's weakness against him.

The idea that Mobius is inherently good is laughable. He is working for a fascistic/totalitarian organization that inflict its will on people, killing them(according to Miss Minutes introduction for sth as unimportant as being late for work!), doing acts of slaughter an genocide because someone dared to break the rules of their "sacred timeline"! Rules that no one knows exist in the first place! And he is OK with all of that and has the audacity to condemn Loki for his actions under mind influence and torture. And he doesn't question his ideology. Even when Loki challenges him to do so, because it gives him his glorious purpose. He is the example of every person who works in corrupted systems because it gives them some privilege and they're so lazy and inconsiderate in thinking, that they don't care how it affects the people who are suffering or being oppressed. Sure, he shows care and emotions towards some people, but selected morality is not inherent goodness. To TVA and Mobius the law breakers are not even people, they're "variants" and they don't treat the variants like beings who have right to exist and choose their own path.

In fact, Mobius and on a larger scale some of the TVA agents are the exact examples of the concept of banality of evil . That evil acts are not necessarily done by evil people. Instead, they can simply be the result of bureaucrats dutifully obeying orders. People who don't consider the consequences of their actions and don't question the propaganda and ideology they have been brainwashed with.

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as a jewish person the 'space lizards' joke really felt like a slap in the face since that conspiracy theory is rooted in antisemitism. esp since it was such an ooc thing for loki to say so it felt like mike just really wanted to reference that conspiracy theory. also the way the tva have so many similarities to the nazis. I never met most of my extended family bc of ppl like mobius.. also they literally had posters referencing 1984 but then presented the tva as "good guys."

I'd never heard of this conspiracy theory until other Jewish people pointed it out. I thought it was really odd that Loki said that because he has seen many alien species through his life and these Timekeepers didn't even look like lizards. So yeah it was definitely a reference to this conspiracy theory and it's really terrible that they did sth like that.

I also hate Mobius and all the TVA agents with a passion. As I said before, they're the perfect example of the concept of banality of evil.

The framing of the show is also terrible. On one hand you have all these similarities with Nazis, references to Orwellian dystopia and key phrases associated with totalitarian propaganda. You have Sylvie, who the narrative frames as a hero coded protagonist condemning TVA. On the other hand, the show ends up framing freeing of the timeline as a terrible mistake, TVA as a necessary evil and Mobius who believes the ends justify the means as "inherently good"!

What I think makes all of this even worse is the implicit Jewish coding of MCU Loki. Sth I was made aware of by @philosopherking1887 's great meta about it in which she has described some of antisemitic stereotypes and how they apply to Loki, both in comics and MCU version. Quoting from her post:

"In European culture, Jewish men have been feminized and, especially around the turn of the 20th century, have been compared to or associated with gay men in light of their shared status as outsiders, as an alien and inscrutable Other, and presumed untrustworthiness."

"The animus toward them centers on their supposed character: greedy, ambitious, deceitful; physically weak, but clever and devious enough to gain power through indirect means."

This is how the series portrayed and retconned Loki. They introduced Loki as a queer character and went and reinforced all the anti queer and antisemitic stereotypes about him. Loki is shown as clever but power hungry and greedy, a liar and betrayer and physically weak to the point that humans can easily beat him up.

So in the series, we have TVA which is basically Nazis, presented as good guys or a necessary evil that actively torture, murder, commit genocide and treat variants as worthless and less than people. And Loki, a Jewish coded character is arrested by them, his lack of agency is played for laughs, his torture is framed as therapy and sth that he deserved, he is dressed in their uniform and in the end states that they made a mistake in freeing the timelines.

There is not a single minority group that this show and its terrible message and references hasn't insulted.

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Did Loki Do the Right Thing?

I’m seeing lots of posts stating they’re happy that in the end of the series, Loki did the right thing, and other fans who are upset that Loki sided with TVA. I feel like I’m the only one who had a different interpretation. I want to explain why.

One of the main themes of the show is “control”.

Was that element of control what you wanted to lean into with the series? Or was there something more specific you felt the show could explore that the movies hadn’t a chance to do? It was certainly a big component of it. I love the Danny Boyle Steve Jobs movie. There’s a bit in there that [ Aaron] Sorkin pulled from the Walter Isaacson Steve Jobs biography, just talking about how Steve Jobs was adopted and how people who are adopted are out of control at the most important moment of their lives. And that movie is about how Steve Jobs is so obsessive about end-to-end control over all this technology. I drew a really interesting parallel between Loki and Steve Jobs: The desire to rule. “I know best. I want to rule. I want to be in control as an adult because I was, in fact, so out of control as a young Frost Giant baby.” [X]

While it’s true that Loki felt out of control for most of his life, MW’s interpretation of the reasons is wrong. For one being adopted was not the reason Loki felt out of control. It was being lied to about it, and being treated differently, and being saved to be used as a political pawn. And despite knowing about his race, his parents let Thor and Loki to grew up with racist believes about Jotuns being monsters.

When Loki found out the truth about his race, he realized that as a Jotun he never had a chance to be seen and accepted for who he was and for his abilities. No matter how much he had tried during his life, he was never going to be seen as equal and worthy as Thor in Odin’s eye. His life was doomed from the start to be in the shadows. The purpose for his existence, was decided for him even before he could utter his first words. Odin had planned for him to be in the shadow, and then to be a king of monsters under Thor’s shadow.

So, he tried to prove himself worthy, not for a throne, but to his father. Loki never wanted the throne( @worstloki explained in this thread perfectly why Loki being powerhungry and wanting to rule was a pointless arc in the show). He saw it as the symbol of being worthy and accepted, because that was how Odin made his sons see it. But when he realized even that was pointless and Odin still didn’t accept him, Loki decided to take control of at least his death, and let himself fall.

Then he fell to Thanos' Sanctuary and when he became “ready”, he was given the scepter which was “influencing his mind” and at the same time The Other could violate Loki’s mind, see his thoughts and surroundings and inflicting pain on him. We saw he threatened Loki with promise of “more pain”. Again, under duress and mind influence Loki was not in control to decide his own fate.

MW wrongly interpreted Loki’s lines in the Avengers, which are actually projections of his own situation(1, 2, 3), as complete truths about Loki’s motivations. Considering how he sees Loki’s characterization and motives, let’s analyze what’s been happening in the show and the possible interpretation of Loki's actions in the finale.

Loki explains his reason to rule in ep1:

"I would have made it easy for them. The first and most oppressive lie ever uttered was the song of freedom. For nearly every living thing, choice breeds shame and uncertainty and regret. There’s a fork in every road, yet the wrong path always taken."

And when Mobius asks Loki whether he falls in this category, Loki doesn’t answer. Later Loki compares himself to TVA.

"It's part of the illusion. It's the cruel elaborate trick conjured by the weak to inspire fear. A desperate play for control."

The show wants to imply that Loki wants to rule to have the control he desperately needs and also stop people from making mistakes like the ones he made.

Having this in mind, let’s see how TVA is portrayed in the show. An authoritarian oppressive organization that takes away people’s free will, annihilating entire realities, murdering people, kidnapping and brainwashing them in the name of their propaganda about “sacred” timeline.

Now in ep6, the narrative presents us with this question: What if this is a necessary evil?

Ravonna tries to convinces herself that it was. She is the typical example of how someone who has built their entire life on a lie would react. She had to believe it was for a reason. Because otherwise she has to accept that all she did was for nothing.

Kang believes the same thing. That by ending the multiversal war and continuously annihilating realities, he did a favor to people. Is he right?

The narrative presents us with some key phrases: “necessary lie”, “dogma”, “I keep you safe from greater evil”, “stifling order or cataclysmic chaos” , “you may hate the dictator but something far worse is gonna fill that void if you depose of him”, “doing horrible things for a good reason”.

These are the basic propaganda of every authoritarian/totalitarian/fascistic power ever. This is how they excuse, normalize and legitimize their crimes in oppressing, torturing and murdering people. Inciting fear of a greater evil and a promise of safety against it if you obey their rules. So if you think siding with TVA is the right choice, or if it's a necessary evil, think again(and read some books to not fall for this bs). As @wnnbdarklord said in this thread:

"who gives the TVA or Kang or Loki or who the fuck ever the moral authority to decide to take away free will from people? who gives them the authority to keep doing it once it’s done?

NO ONE! It’s ridiculous! the state of the universe obviously naturally tends towards a multiversal mish mash of timelines! “but the war death ruin” like the sAcREd TImELinE isn’t already filled with that. and even if it weren’t already filled with that, the simple fact remains: no one should get the authority to decide to take away free will from people.

It’s absurd!"

Now, back to Loki’s character arc about control. He is puzzled by Kang giving up control and all that freedom, and asks about it twice. He understands that Kang is basically afraid of himself, of the mistakes he could make. He is doing what Loki says in the first ep was the reason he wanted to rule. Loki can see himself in what Kang has become. But deep down Loki never wanted to rule. Certainly not like this. And he doesn’t like their options either.

So, how Loki’s actions in stopping Sylvie can be interpreted?

My interpretation was that Loki wanted to find a third way. And it would be in character for Loki that when he is presented by options he doesn’t like, he makes a new way and choose that option. My reasoning for it is that the show basically introduced chaos as universe’s way to get free and Lokis the agents of chaos. That’s why there were so many of them in the void. But their limited POV prevented them to find the main villain or takes his place. This Loki though, is past all of that and can see the bigger picture and given the chance he may be able to find another way when Kang says “this is the only way”.

But there are some things that worries me this wasn’t the intent. Like Loki saying “The universe is in balance, everything we know to be true”. In-universe I would think this is the result of Thanos’ brainwashing about order and balance. Out-universe I’m not sure I like what this is implying. Specially if we consider what the director is saying about Kang:

“I was quite excited that we got to show him because he is the one that brings it all [together],” director Kate Herron adds. “[He’s] the theme of our show. No one is completely good or completely bad, and people do fall into that gray area. I thought his reasoning with [Loki and Sylvie] that you can take me out, but I'll be back here anyway...you're going to awaken all these versions of me. And they are much scarier than me. I really believe him when he says that.” [X]

KH says she believes Kangs' reasoning. Although believing sth to be true, doesn’t mean the way to counter it is the right way. So this might not mean KH is siding with Kang’s POV. And there is too much of authoritarian propaganda words in the narrative that it’s so obvious, to later being presented as the truth or the message the show is aiming for.

I interpreted Loki’s panic at the end of the episode, not as him siding with TVA, but at the prospect of countless more evil versions of Kang. Loki has seen Thanos. But even Thanos wasn’t omniscient. How would you fight someone who knows everything and can predict your every move?

I hope my interpretation of the narrative is right and they don’t present TVA as a necessary evil or that Loki wanted to side with it. Because if there isn’t a third way, if Loki and Sylvie only had those two options, removing the dictator is always, always the right choice. There is nothing more valuable than free will and freedom. Safety doesn’t exist where there is no freedom.

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Loki & Sylvie: A Friendship They Deserve

And a friendship that we deserved to see too! What a great episode! I almost immediately watched it again :D

I don’t know where to start. I have so much to say. I’m going with a scene to scene commentary/analysis/theory :D

In the first scene when we saw inside Hunter C20′s mind and her memories, I immediately screamed that @crzyprsn42​​ ‘s theory was right! (Gonna reblog your theory after this. You’re a genius!) The scene also reminded me of the speed dating in AoA with Loki and Verity.

Sylvie’s never been to TVA because she didn’t know magic doesn’t work there.

The golden door belongs to Renslayer’s office. Headcanon: she is one of the three Timekeepers.

Loved this scene! :D

“You’re just fully a magician then?”

Aww Sylvie you’re jealous. Why don’t you know enough magic?🙁

DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THIS MEANS? Loki let her in his personal space. He didn’t even lift his head. He trusts her to the point that he let her touch his neck. And he still doesn’t know a single thing about her. HE LET HER TOUCH HIS NECK! The same place that Thor used to touch to show him his affection. And Sylvie knows this too! That’s why she went for his neck instead of his head. They both lost their Thor. The both miss him. And Loki doesn’t ask her what she is doing until she tries her enchantment. That’s when he gets a bit angry, but still he doesn’t shake off her hands.

“No, because my mind is too strong.”

Yes! My headcanon that Loki’s mind is so strong that mind magic doesn’t work on him is confirmed! Thanos definitely used torture to be able to influence his mind with scepter.

“I’m Sylvie now”

She IS a Loki then. And the blonde her is obviously hair color(Good!). There is more black color in her head than blonde.

It’s great that they confirmed TVA is fascistic and oppressive. I was worried considering MCU’s history about this stuff.

This part was funny. You know dear Lokis, sometimes the best and simplest way is honesty :D

“I can’t go backwards on a train.”

Why?😂

“What was she like?

Oh, you didn’t have Frigga to teach you magic dear Sylvie. That’s why you’re so worked up about Loki being a magician😭

“What? They told you?”

Did you see how shocked and confused Loki was about Sylvie being told she was adopted? Also is that why she is a variant? Because she wasn’t supposed to know? F*ck TVA.

That whole scene and the conversation about their mother was so beautiful and heartbreaking. The way Sylvie looked like she is about to cry and Loki realized that and talked about what Frigga would do for him when he was a kid and what she would say.

“It all seemed impossible. She told me that I’d be able to do it too because…Because I could do anything”

The way Loki paused and closed his eyes as if he doesn’t believe that about himself. The way Sylvie confirmed as if she heard the same thing too. And then Loki showed her the fireworks and both had identical smiles. Such a beautiful scene.

Sth about Sylvie talking about having a love interest seemed weird to me. Did anyone else think that? I mean she clearly understood the reason that the old lady decided to stay, was love. But it seemed like both her and Loki had a hard time articulating what love is. She instantly understood Loki was about to say that none of his romantic relationships felt real.

Also Loki being both genderfluid and bisexual is confirmed. So good that this discourse in fandom finally has an answer.

It was so heartbreaking that both Loki and Sylvie couldn’t say what love is. Loki later explains it like this:

“Love is a dagger. It’s a weapon to be wielded far away or up close. You can see yourself in it. It’s beautiful. Until it makes you bleed. But ultimately, when you reach for it…”

“It isn’t real.”

Loki sees love as an imaginary dagger. He expresses what he has experienced from people who claimed to love him so beautifully in a metaphor. All his life, Loki wanted to be seen and accepted for who he was. But the people closest to him used their love as a weapon, to shape him into someone they wanted, not who Loki was. And Loki saw himself in them, tried to be like his parents and brother. But he was silenced, and ignored and mocked and was treated differently and lesser. Until their love, their biggest lie, made him bleed.

And when he reached for it...

It wasn’t real.

I remember Tom once said that “True love is an acceptance of someone for who they are”. And I completely agree with him. I think that’s why both Loki and Sylvie couldn’t find the words to explain love. Because they have never been accepted for who they were.

I loved the scene where Loki started to sing an Asgardian(was it Asgardian or Norse?) song for Sylvie. I wish they had written its meaning. It was definitely sth nostalgic for both of them. Was it sth Frigga used to sing to them?

“When did you get so paranoid?”

“It must have started when I spent my entire life running from omniscient fascists you work for.”

Headcanon: She was running from them since she was a kid and when she was told about her adoption. But TVA had never managed to catch her.

Parallels! :D

What do you mean you tumble hard and broke the Temped Loki? Why dimensional pocket is affected by what happens to your body? Also stop saying you’re a god every five minutes. It gets tiring.

“You’re a clown”

Thank you for pointing that out Sylvie. He wasn’t used to act like this. But this time he wasn’t being clownish.

“I’m hedonistic”

Right. It wasn’t like you got emotional and nostalgic after your conversation with Sylvie and got drunk. How many similarities do you have with Tony?

“You can’t beat them.”

Yes, join forces an you can do anything Lokis.

Loved Sylvie’s scream and the explosion of magic :D

“Well, You’re lucky you missed it”

My dear poor Lokis. Both had such hard lives💔

"They’re all Variants just like us.”

Headcanon: Resetting a variant means TVA erase their memory and brainwash them to work for them.

“They don’t know that”

Did you notice how Loki got worked up about people not knowing they are variants? This is the same person who had the mind stone, and mind controlled only three people, leaving their personality and memories completely intact. What he did under mind influence and duress, however horrible, was much moral than what TVA do(And what Wanda did out of her own free will). Loki knows and has experienced how it is that your memories and mind are being tampered with and being forced to work for someone else.

“They are gonna let these people die”

He doesn’t know the people of this planet. In TVA he only knows Mobius and everyone so far has treated him horribly. Yet he cares that they don’t know their identity. He cares that those people around him are going to die.

The episode ended so abruptly. I wanted more! I didn’t even notice how time passed. We finally get to see Loki using his magic and powers! The fight scenes were brilliant! So were the Lokis and all the emotional scenes and dialogues. I can’t wait to see these more of these two together. Best episode so far! 10/10 !

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It will be fun when Loki finds out that TVA has literally destroyed his timeline and murdered his father, mother and brother. TVAs will burn beautifully.

I still don't understand what the reset charges exactly do. We know for sure that they destroy everything in their vicinity and that includes people. But do they destroy a whole new universe created by the variant? I just watched Miss Minutes introduction of TVA and it shows when they reset the timeline, the new branch is removed and the person who created Nexus Event is back on their place in the timeline.

But the variant has no timeline anymore an they have to stand trial. So probably that means a whole universe is destroyed.

I also would like to know what's the difference between resetting and pruning a variant. It's not been explained.

Back to your main point, yes I agree. If Loki finds out that TVA has murdered his family he wouldn't rest until he has burned every single person responsible.

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Is TVA a legitimate organization? Is a good reason for TVA's existence (i.e. the destruction and genocide that is its goal) actually, truly presented?

I think it is really important to point out the issue of legitimacy as far as TVA is concerned. The whole "Loki is a villain, so TVA methods are acceptable" seems to hinge on the idea that TVA is a legitimate organization. The basic idea, as far as I understand it, is that a police officer might threaten the use of force/use force/use tricks like the ones Mobius used. Therefore, all of it is okay, necessary even - to contain Loki.

But TVA is not a police force, not really, and they do not have a legitimate reason to contain Loki. They have their sacred timeline, and I might be biased (timelines are fun), but I do believe that all timelines deserve to exist.

TVA is not the police force that Loki would and should consider legitimate. If you live in a country and participate in it, you kind of should treat your police as legitimate (unless, of course, they are genocidal or something). You know about this police force, you presumably participate in funding it; it is your country's police, and unless something is very wrong in the country, it is a legitimate, legal representative of your country.

If you travel to a country, you also assume that the police of the other country is legitimate, of course. But Loki did not travel to the TVA. At best, this is like being kidnapped by a police of a foreign country, which makes all their acts beginning to finish completely illegitimate.

On that note, it looks like this is more of a terrorist cell busy with killing people in the name of a purity fetish but oh well. I just do feel that people fall for the uniform and assign legitimacy where there is none.

I may be wrong though, and absolutely no hate to those who love the show. It's okay to enjoy media regardless of what it is or was meant to be.

Hope you get better soon, too.

Thank you! I'm fine now. And to answer your newer ask, no this one wasn't eaten by tumblr I just didn't have enough energy to answer it because of covid.

I agree with you that TVA has no authority or legitimate reason to arrest, interrogate or judge Loki. A legitimate organization who has authority over safety or security of a country, first of all is known by the people who are under its authority. Police force and intelligent services are known to have control over certain areas and to enforce the laws. The laws which are known, or there is a way for people to know and learn about them.

TVA, its existence and its made-up rules are not known by anyone who TVA claims to have authority over and there is no way to learn about them. Moreover its rules are made up by a mad man's attempt to control everyone's lives and choices. Who gave him that authority in the first place? No one and no one should have this type of control over people. Therefore TVA is nothing but an illegitimate, fascistic and oppressive organization and anyone arrested by them is a victim.

Even if it was legitimate, as in it was known or chose in some way by people, since it is inherently oppressive and fascistic, its methods and ideologies are immoral and should not be accepted and conformed to. Because even if sth is legitimate, or a law, it doesn't necessary mean it is right.

Moreover even if TVA had authority to arrest Loki and Loki was guilty, the methods they use for interrogation, fit the definition of torture, and no one should use such methods since it's against human rights.

I don't think people who say "TVA methods are acceptable because Loki is a villain", really care about the legitimacy though. What they are focusing on is whether Loki is a "villain", is guilty or not in some capacity. And since he has done terrible things, then he deserves this treatment, he deserves being beaten up, humiliated and tortured as punishment. No matter who and for what reason treats him like that. No matter how much it is wrong. No matter that redemption arcs aren't and shouldn't be like that. Or that a character like Loki needs compassion and understanding more than anything for him to change and heal.

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I had no hopes for the Loki show at all, so maybe that's why I found it more tolerable than expected but, at the same time, it feels like a sci-fi version of shows like White Collar and similar, in which a talented convict is "given a chance" to work on the "right side" to catch worse evils and along the way forms a bond with their more-or-less willing working partner, which is... trite? The only interesting thing, so far (aside from TH's acting range) is the explicitly dystopian vibe of the TVA and the faint hope that the end goal would be to bring back freedom of choice, but even then, I think at Falcon&WS and how the Flag Smashers ended and feel that Marvel isn't willing to change things and put in their shows the idea that change is good and often people who fight for it with "bad" methods have good points. In a way, the TVA so far feels like a reflection of Marvel itself, from the way it treats Loki to the reasonings behind it (the Avengers not being in trouble because they stuck to the Sacred Timeline while Loki didn't feels so much like an excuse for themselves!) and of course they'd never admit they're wrong and oppressive, so I don't know if the tiny bit of optimism I have about this show has a reason to be.

Yeah, the talented convict working with good guys was not really interesting imo either. But I think episode two made things more interesting.

The only interesting thing, so far (aside from TH's acting range) is the explicitly dystopian vibe of the TVA and the faint hope that the end goal would be to bring back freedom of choice

This! I couldn't think Loki series could get even more personal for me but now it is. The vile totalitarian fascistic theme of TVA made me shake with hate and rage. It feels weird that you experience and live in a situation that are only imaginary nightmares to others. Any outcome but total destruction of TVA is going to make me seethe with rage.

I didn't even consider the possibility that it might not turn out that TVA is evil. In tfatw they didn't said change is bad. Even the heroes said Flag Smashers had a point. They message was that change should happen within system which is in line with US politics. But now that I'm thinking about it, they framed Odin and Asgard as protectors instead of colonizers until TR and even in that movie they didn't do it right. Also there was another MCU tv show called Inhumans, which was awful btw, and they had this caste system and you wouldn't know until the final episodes, why you shouldn't side with the bad guy who was against this system. This and some of interviews of Loki series have worried me now that this might happen with TVA too.

And if that happens, if TVA isn't shown to be the evil they are is not only a horrible message, but also it would be a very bad artistic choice. When reading dystopian books, and a lot of times, it ends tragically with the system winning, it supposed to shake and make you horrified that sth so terrible can happen. If the authoritarian power wins, it's not because they're good, but because they're vicious and cruel. In superhero genre, they shouldn't be shown as the good guys and they shouldn't win. I really hope this doesn't happen in Loki series.

Also, totally felt the same way that TVA is a reflection of MCU with their treatment of Loki and their stupid this-doesn't-suppose-to-happen reasoning. Like when Loki was supposed to die in TDW or end his story in IW, but every time fans brought him back.