Anytime J*nerys shippers try to tell you Jon is far too good and honorable for the UCL theory to be true, remember this,
In the books, when Sam is manipulating members of the Nights Watch and lying to them in order for Jon to become Lord Commander and to save Jon from Slint beheading Jon, he thinks back to what Jon had told him once,
“There can be honor in a lie if it is told for the right reason.”
Jon Snow is honorable and honest. Much like Ned Stark was. But just like Ned, Jon is not too honorable to lie if it means protecting others.
I’m on a re-read of A Game of Thrones and I noticed that one of the first things we’re told about Jon is that he’s observant.
“A bastard had to learn to notice things, to read the truth that people hid behind their eyes.” - Jon I, A Game of Thrones.
As @sneakystarks pointed out, he picks things up about people quite easily. He decides his opinions on them without needing much:
“Jon saw only a fat man, red-faced under his beard, sweating through his silks,” - Jon upon seeing Robert Baratheon.
“Jon noticed the shy looks she gave Robb as they passed between the tables and the timid way she smiled at him. He decided she was insipid. Robb didn’t even have the sense to realize how stupid she was; he was grinning like a fool,” - upon seeing Myrcella.
“Sansa looked radiant as she walked beside him, but Jon did not like Joffrey’s pouty lips or the bored, disdainful way he looked at Winterfell’s Great Hall.” - upon seeing Joffrey.
“Jon found it hard to look away from him. This is what a king should look like, he thought to himself as the man passed.” - upon seeing Jaime Lannister.
I’m aware the show makes a point to downplay some of Jon’s abilities especially when it comes to being more political. This maybe even to prop up Jonsa as a pairing since Jon takes up the role of the military man on the show, with Sansa being the more politically aware character - the Vale plot would’ve shown her growth but alas, we never truly saw her train - but it’s book canon that he notices things, and he has a skill of picking them up quickly.
There’s plenty more evidence in Jon I, A Storm of Swords.
“Mance Rayder’s outriders closed in as they emerged. Jon took their measure with a glance: eight riders, men and women both, clad in fur and boiled leather...”
“Both the white-bearded man and the bald one were warriors, that was plain to Jon at a glance.”
I chose this chapter because often when debunking the possibility of the Undercover Lover theory(or political Jon theory), people ignore how Jon managed to fool the Wildlings into believing he was for them. The reality is, he knows how to choose his words carefully, he knows how to sell himself:
“Jon took another swallow of mead. There is only one tale he might believe.”
He says this before he asks Mance if he saw where they had sat him during the feast with King Robert at Winterfell, in contrast to where his other half-siblings were sat.
“And did you see where I was seated, Mance?” he leaned forward. “Did you see where they put the bastard?”
He knows he has to sell Mance a story that would make him buy Jon’s support, and that’s exactly what he does.
Now, for much of season 7 once Jon meets with D*enerys, it almost feels as if we get shut out from his thought process. Some people have speculated that in the books, at least during his time with D*enerys, we’re likely to not be given his POV chapters as well. But as pointed out by @thelawyerthatwaspromised in their data analysis of diction and the amount of dialogue Jon has, it’s not that Jon is a silent person, he speaks just as much as anybody, he just does significantly less speaking when around D*enerys. Almost as if he’s wary of his words, and is trying to figure her out.
The only time we see Jon speak freely without trying to keep up with seeming courteous is when he asks Missandei about her relationship with D*enerys, in terms of whether or not she’d let her go back to Naath if she wanted. And what does he say to her?
“You believe that?”
It shows that despite what he’s heard about D*enerys, he still questions how reliable of a source Missandei is. And truly, once you think about it, does she really have a choice? I want to believe D*enerys would allow her, and Grey Worm, and her other unsullied/dothraki army to leave if they want to but part of me doubts it just as much. We’ve seen how absolute loyalty is something D*enerys expects from her followers, Varys is threatened to be burned alive if he ever so much as thinks about the good of the realm being something D*enerys can no longer offer, and Tyrion’s loyalty has constantly been questioned this season as well. It is an occurring theme. In fact at this point, she no longer cares if the people want to follow her, they only have one choice: bend the knee or die. Way to go you feminist icon facist.
So the question here is, what is the new and better world D*enerys T*rgaryen wants to build, and can she achieve that? I stumbled across a quote @shinynewrevulsions shared yesterday, by GRRM:
“Dragons are the nuclear deterrent, and only D*enerys T*rgaryen has them, which in some ways makes her the most powerful person in the world. But is that sufficient? These are the kind of issues I’m trying to explore. The United States right now has the ability to destroy the world with our nuclear arsenal, but that doesn’t mean we can achieve specific geopolitical goals. Power is more subtle than that. You can have the power to destroy, but it doesn’t give you the power to reform, or improve, or build.” - George R. R. Martin, 2011 Vulture magazine interview, quoted in Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
Moreover, the real question is, what little has Jon seen of her, and does he truly believe that she deserves the throne?
He sees her unwillingness to put aside her quest for the throne and help save the North(who will be attacked by the real threat first) in the cave scene, because for some reason, it doesn’t matter if the North is under attack, they aren’t worth saving unless they’re her people.
He witnessed her little temper tantrum on the beach, humiliating Tyrion and questioning his loyalty in front of her people. Jon and Sansa may disagree from time to time but at least Jon has the sense to talk to her afterwards in private.
She comes back after ambushing an army with her nuclear weapons, telling him she has less enemies now, to which even she notices, “you're not sure how you feel about that.”
And even after seeing the threat, as @nutellaninja0001 pointed out, she still insists on that truce with Cersei, examine 7x06 where she says she doesn’t regret the trip beyond the wall:
now contrast that with 7x07 when she realises Cersei wasn’t willing to call a truce:
In the span of 7x06 to 7x07 we’re presented and reminded that D*enerys will always put the throne first before the lives of other people. Her saviour act where she swoops in in white(the only time she isn’t wearing black and red - embracing more of her Targaryen roots), like the angelic messiah the show wants us to see her as, would not have happened if she wasn’t already smitten with Jon.
She may have had a good heart once before, but Viserys did too, until his ambitions got the better of him. And who do we know is beginning to dress like Viserys? D*enerys.
I hold the opinion that the ASOIAF series sheds light on the corruption that befalls characters who strive for power. We see it happen with Viserys, and again with Stannis. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
So, no, I don’t favour the notion that Jon falls into bed with her because of her good heart, because nothing from what we’ve seen unfold on screen truly supports that. The number one criticism was the lack of chemistry, and while that is subjective, the show has an obligation to make sure we as an audience, get to see this relationship build up to b*atbang. That means shared smiles, maybe some teasing and banter, not other characters butting in to say “hey I saw you look at her tits haha” or “pshh he looks at you like all the time girl he’s so into you!” The fact remains, the majority of us don’t feel as if it was deserved.
What I do see, is Jon beginning to play the game. He has to. He’s this far into the story, it’s time. I’ve seen so many people get disgusted at this idea of Jon manipulating D*nerys into fully committing to the cause. But can you blame him? She tells him:
“I can’t forget what I saw North of the wall, and I can’t pretend Cersei wont take back half the country the moment I march North.”
And I think some part of him has been trying to manipulate convince her for a while. Take a look at the way Jon tries to get her attention, as pointed out by @tiny-little-bird:
it parallels the way Sansa gets his attention:
Jon knows how receptive he is when Sansa pulls the good ole arm grab:
and he pulls the same move on D*enerys:
grabbing her arm, guiding her to what he wants her to see, to convince her to see where he’s coming from - much like what Sansa does with Jon(both instances, were to get him to listen to her). Jon is learning.
I don’t doubt that Jon is still honourable, I keep seeing Jon Snow/J*nerys stans argue he would never do this and to that, all I have to say is:
“You will have little joy of your command, but I think you have the strength in you to do the things that must be done. Kill the boy, Jon Snow. Winter is almost upon us. Kill the boy and let the man be born.” - Jon II, A Dance With Dragons.
You need to fully grasp what his motives are from every angle to try to understand why he does what he does. Jon knows the real threat is the Night King, but he’s also seen what D*enerys’ weapons of mass destruction dragons can do. She burns her enemies, that much is clear to Jon.
So what motivates him? Who does he fight for? The living, yes, but what else? What elicits a response from him more primal than others?
up to this point, it’s been Sansa. Whether or not you ship Jonsa or see them as merely platonic half-siblings, there is no denying that one of Jon’s top priorities is protecting Sansa - the only family he has left.
And the stakes are raised, when he learns that Bran and Arya are back at Winterfell. He has even more to fight for, even more people to protect. And what does he say?
“I thought Arya was dead. I thought Bran was dead.”
Did you, Jon? Because I thought Sansa convinced you to fight to reclaim Winterfell because it was their homes too, wherever they are. Continuity error or not, this was another chance for Jon to open up to D*enerys, much like she has been doing. But he doesn’t. He never opens up to her, not of uncle Benjen, not of the other brothers he’s lost. Why?
Whether or not you believe in the theory that Jon’s been manipulating her, killing the boy Jon Snow and letting the man be born is expected of his character. It almost becomes his own mantra whenever he’s faced with a difficult decision. He needs her to commit to his cause, because it’s the only threat that truly matters and D*enerys comes off as selfish for not committing herself to it completely already after witnessing the Night King herself. He’s tried everything else, taking advantage of her feelings for him to ensure his people live is something that’s necessary at this point. And guess what?
Lastly, I leave you with a quote GRRM said about death:
“All that time I thought Gandalf was dead, and now he’s back and now he’s Gandalf the White. And, ehh, he’s more or less the same as always, except he’s more powerful. It always felt a little bit like a cheat to me. And as I got older and considered it more, it also seemed to me that death doesn’t make you more powerful. That’s, in some ways, me talking to Tolkien in the dialogue, saying, “Yeah, if someone comes back from being dead, especially if they suffer a violent, traumatic death, they’re not going to come back as nice as ever."”
Jon’s death has come and pass in the show, don’t expect him to be the same.
I wrote this in a reply to someone, and I thought to make a post and paste the reply, so more people could see it.
Whenever I show these quotes, or add these quotes in my replies to strengthen my UCLT, to Jonerice shippers, they say I'm grasping at straws lol
"You could've LIED to Cersei, about BENDING THE KNEE to Daenerice." - Theon (and he did lol Theon simply doesn't know that what he said to both of them was a lie)
"Every step you take is always the RIGHT step." - Theon
"It's not. It may SEEM that way from the outside, but I PROMISE you IT'S NOT TRUE.” - Jon (this was not only directed to Theon, but to the audience too)
"A wise man once said, that you should never BELIEVE a thing, simply because you WANT to believe it." - Tyrion to Dany (again, it was directed to the audience as well)
I've had Jonerice shippers tell me, "No, Theon was talking about when they were young, and Jon is referring to how he took the wrong step at Castle Black, and got murdered for it, this has nothing to do with Jon betraying Daenerice.
And I'm just here like, NO. Jon and Theon were talking about Jon bending the knee to Daenerice, they were talking about the dragonpit, about Jon not lying to Cersei (which he totally did lol), that’s what the conversation was about, that was the context of the conversation, plus Jon is talking present and not past tense, "It may seem that way", he's talking present, as in right now which basically translates to: It may seem like every step I take is the right one, but it’s not true my friend, it’s not.
Or “oh Littlefinger is talking about Arya, he is talking to Sansa, that quote has nothing to do with Jon or your stupid undercover theory.” people who are so narrow minded, and think this way make me wanna bang my head on a wall lol
As if other characters can't be used as a device to subtly hint at and foreshadow things that will happen/are happening lol
So, he lied to both Queens.
Jon saw what Daenerice's dragons can do, he needs them, and in 7x06 she had just lost one, so he wasn’t sure what effect that would have on her, would it make her want to fully commit to the cause, would she be hesitant, would the fear of losing the remaining 2 dragons she has, scare her and make her back away? And since he cannot read her mind, even if she agreed to fight, he firsthand saw her impulsiveness and volatility, so he just ended up blurting out “D@ny”, “My Queen” and “I’d bend the knee, but…”, he basically told her whatever she wanted to hear, hoping that it'd secure her help (but keep in mind that it was not enough).
He lied to Cersei, told her he already serves one Queen, Daenerice (when in fact, he doesn’t, he serves only the North and the realm “The shield that guards the realms of men”), he did this to appear honorable and trustworthy through and through, to appear as if he’d never lie nor deceive anyone, EVER in front of Daenerice. That, was the stunt Jon decided to pull, to get Daenerice’s full trust. And Ned having the reputation of being a man who was honorable, and that always told the truth, it’s what made his stunt even more believable. Even if we all know that Ned, was also a good liar, and did lie when it came to keeping those he loved safe. The characters don’t know that, but us, the audience, do.
Jon is not stupid.
Why would he not lie to Cersei about not taking sides? That would’ve been
easy peasy for him, I mean, he lied no problem, while he infiltrated the wildlings, pretty much all of them believed him, Ygritte believed him, so he can lie and he is a good liar, if he wants and needs to lie.
So why? All of a sudden he can’t lie anymore?? lol No. He can lie just fine. What he did was smart, he literally told a lie to Daenerice (she might or might not have believed he was being honest in 7x06), and then passed that lie as the truth to Cersei, and everyone fell for it, everyone believed him, everyone believed that, that was the truth (because you know, why would he purposely not lie about it? Lying would’ve been easier and it would've made more sense, so to them, what Jon said, automatically became the truth.).
If perhaps Daenerice wasn't sure if Jon was being honest about bending the knee until that moment, well, after that stunt he pulled, she fully believes him. He won Daenerice’s respect and full trust, which was exactly what he wanted and was after, and he fed her ego while he was at it, too.
Our clever boy is going around using reverse psychology.
Jon does not need Cersei for the great war, he only needs Daenerice, well, not her, he needs her dragons, to defeat the NK.
In the books, Quaithe does warn Daenerice to be careful, that men will come for her Dragons… so... yeah...
“They shall come day and night to see the wonder born into the world again. And when they see they shall lust… for dragons are fire made flesh… and fire is power.”
Dragons are indeed very powerful. Fire kills wights and dragons are flying creatures that breathe fire, so yeah, I wouldn’t say Jon lusts for Daenerice’s dragons, Jon needs them, to save the world.
Everyone keeps saying Daenerice’s had already agreed to march North/help the North, but had she though? Cause to me it does not look like it... at all…
Many people make it sound like, regardless if Cersei agreed to the truce or not, Dany would’ve marched North either way lol
Boy, is this NOT TRUE.
I just want to get this across, Jon & Daenerice didn’t go to the Dragonpit, because they needed Cersei’s soldiers/army to join them, they went there simply to ask Cersei to cease fire until the NK and his army are dealt with. Some people seem to be under the impression that they went there to ask Cersei to join them in the fight, they DID NOT, the fact Cersei promises to join them and send men North on her own accord (which is a lie), is another thing entirely.
“If my brother jaimie has informed me correctly, you’re asking me for a truce.”
“Yes, that’s all.”
So, there, they went to the Dragonpit, because Dany wouldn’t help the North UNTIL Cersei agreed to cease fire.
Now, just to make it even more clear, when Cersei got pissed and stormed off, after Jon declared he already served Daenerice, we got the confirmation from Tyrion that Daenerice WOULD REMAIN South and let Jon and the Northerners go home, and deal with the NK on their own:
“I go see my sister alone, OR WE ALL GO HOME, and WE’RE RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED.”
This quote right here, LITERALLY means that if Tyrion fails, Daenerice WILL NOT march North to come to the North’s aid, to kill the Night King, and avenge Viserion, one of her “children”. This quote literally tells you Daenerice puts the throne above EVERYTHING ELSE, above EVERYONE ELSE, and that Tyrion knows this, hence why him talking to Cersei was of imperative importance, because Daenerice WAS NOT going to march North if Cersei didn’t accept to the truce first.
If it had been up to Tyrion, he’d have marched North from EP3, no need for all this truce and wight hunt nonsense, but it wasn’t up to him, it was up to Daenerice and well... “I’m her hand, not her head.”, what you gonna do, D@ny will be D@ny.
Jon said this to Sansa in 7x01:
“I’m concerned with the Night King because I’VE SEEN HIM, and believe me, you’d THINK of “LITTLE ELSE” if you had too.“
And guess what? When he asked Daenerice (I’d like to point out, again, this is after she saw the NK and his entire army, and lost a dragon because of the NK) "So what now?” at the Dragonpit, she replied with:
“[...] And I can’t pretend Cersei won’t take back half the country the moment I march North.”
So bottom line here, she is still thinking about the (“LITTLE ELSE”) Iron Throne, prioritizing it, after she’s seen 100.000+ dead men, and after the NK has killed one of her dragons.
Again, for what must be the millionth time, I cannot, for the life of me, understand how some people think Jon could ever fall for her? For someone as self absorbed as her? It just confuses me beyond imagination.
Jonerice shippers really must excuse me for thinking that all he is doing, he’s doing it to fully invest her in the ONLY WAR that matters, to get her head to focus ONLY on the Great war, because as Jon, and as everyone else can see/tell, the Iron Throne means more to her than anything else.
So they went to the Dragonpit to make Cersei agree, and she did agree, but of course, she lied.
Jon isn’t stupid, Sansa warned him about Cersei, he knows her words are like wind, he knows the chances of Cersei keeping her word are very, VERY small.
So, let's think logically for a moment:
- It’s pretty clear to Jon that Daenerice won’t march North unless Cersei agrees to the truce.
- Jon knows Cersei might say she agrees to the truce.
- He also knows Cersei might say she agrees to the truce, only to deceive them.
- He knows, if Cersei agrees, but lies to them, and doesn't keep her word, she’ll start “taking back half the country” the moment Daenerice marches North. Jon knows once that happens, and word gets to Winterfell, Jon can kiss Dany and her Dragons goodbye.
By the end of that Dragonpit scene, Jon is now 100% FULLY aware and certain Daenerice would bail on them if Cersei is lying to them, he’s fully aware that she cannot see the BIGGER PICTURE. 👉👉👉 “I can’t pretend Cersei won’t take back half the country the moment I march North.”
So he proposed they sail together, NOT to “send a better message”, but so he can make a move on her, make her fall for him and get her head in the Great war, fully commit her to it, so when Cersei marches in, she doesn’t head south, because her feelings/love for him, will keep her there, will make it unbearable and therefore impossible for her to leave him behind to fight alone, to die.
It sounds horrible, it does, it is a horrible thing to do, but Jon is out of options here, he’s tried just about EVERYTHING with her (pleading, begging, reasoning, talking, he went on that stupid wight hunt, and NOTHING), he gave her everything she wanted (he bent the knee, gave her his kingdom, entrusted her his people and his family, called her D@ny, my Queen, tried to feed her ego by declaring in front of everyone he serves her, and again, NOTHING), she saw the NK, he killed Viserion, and still her head is set on the Iron Throne and NOT on the Night King & his army.
Jon’s doing it for a good cause, to save the North, to save humanity, to save his family. Not that it makes it any less unhonorable and horrible, it’s still awful obviously, but he’s gotta do, what he’s gotta do to save everybody.
To those who truly believe he loves her… Idk what to tell you man…
“Sometimes, when I try to understand a person’s MOTIVES, I play a little game. I assume the WORST. What is the worst reason they could possibly have for SAYING what they say and DOING what they do. Then I ask myself, how well does that reason EXPLAIN what they say and what they do?” - LF to Sansa (yet again, this is another gem that was directed to the audience as well)
for saying what they say: What reason dies Jon have to lie to Daenerice? For one, he doesn't trust her, he is wary of her, he knows she is impulsive and obsessed with the IT, and also because nothing else worked with her. Asking didn't work, reasoning didn't work, showing her the cave didn't work, and finally, seeing the NK and losing a dragon didn't work. At this point, lying is his only chance.
and doing what they do: Why would he go knock on her door and then proceed to have sex with her? Because she still prioritizes the Iron Throne over the the army of the dead, and the Night King, who has killed one of her dragons/”children”. And if bending the knee, proclaiming her his Queen, and having one of her dragons killed didn't do the trick, then he’s forced to try something else, to make sure she doesn't bail on him and take the dragons with her back South, if Cersei lied and has deceived them.
“Don't fight in the North or the South. Fight every battle, everywhere, always, in your mind. Everyone is your enemy, everyone is your friend. Live that way and nothing will surprise you.” - Littlefinger 7x03
Jon knows “what” Daenerice is, and he is LITERALLY taking every single outcome into consideration. Daenerice and EVERYONE else would’ve understood him lying to Cersei, but he decided to tell the “truth” anyway, because again, it’s not Cersei’s trust or army that he needs, it’s Daenerice’s and her dragons. He sees Daenerice as both his friend and his enemy.
There are so many RED flags in the J0nerys storyline/plot, that I’m honestly so baffled so many people seem to not see them.
If I witness one more person say “but Daenerice had already agreed to go North and help, Jon has no reason to lie to her”, I swear to all the Gods...
And to conclude this meta, this is another bit from LF’s quote from above, that was also meant for the viewers at home.
“Everything that happens will be something that YOU’VE SEEN BEFORE.”
Jondelion shippers can deny the UCL theory all they want, but Dandelion IS NOT someone Jon would EVER fall for, sorry.
Her reply in the GIF below, literally shows you “what” Dandelion truly is.
And Jon’s reaction to her saying that, to her STILL thinking about the Iron Throne and prioritizing it, after she’s seen the NK, after the NK has killed one of her Dragons, says it ALL.
(All the GIFs above are mine)
Dandelion has seen the Night King, and she still prioritizes power, being Queen and sitting on the Iron Throne. If you think Jon would ever fall for someone as arrogant, as selfish, as entitled and as power hungry as her, then you clearly don’t know/don’t understand Jon’s character, at all, and you need to go read the books, and if you have already, go give them a re-read.
He’s bent the knee, called her his Queen, gave her his Kingdom, and if Cersei hadn’t lied that she’d cease fire, she would’ve let the Northerners on their on, to die. Jon knows there are high chances Cersei won’t keep her word, and he needs to make sure once Cercei starts “coming in”, that Dandelion doesn’t flee with her Dragons and bail on him and on the North.
Jon seducing her was necessary in order to get her emotionally invested in the cause, it’s not honorable, and he knows it, very well, but he’s tried it all, I mean, she even saw the Night King and his army, and that, didn’t work either, it should’ve, but it didn’t, nothing worked with her, because she’s too self absorbed and thinks the world revolves around her. She literally gave Jon no other choice.
Jon doesn’t love her, he’s everything she’s not, they are polar opposites, with different aspirations, different dreams, diffrent views of the world, different ways of thinking, different ways of ruling and inspiring people and their loyalty, Jon is given power, Dandelion wants to take it by force, and the list can go on.
How could anyone think he’d ever fall for someone who burns people alive? His uncle and grandfather were burned alive. Did you forget how he reacted when Mance was being burned? Did you forget how he sent Melisandre away, when he found out she burned Shireen alive? How he threatened her, that if she’s ever seen North again, he’ll hang her for murder?
He’s spent months on Dragonstone and we haven’t seen him laugh once on Dragonstone or in Dandelion’s presence, the only time he’s shown laughing on Dragonstone, is with Gendry (a stranger) while he’s getting ready to leave that damned island he’s been trapped on for months. He laughs and jokes with him from second 1, and he keeps laughing and smiling and joking with the boys (Tormund & co.) after he arrives at Eastwatch.
The difference in how he behaves on Dragonstone, and how he behaves after he leaves Dragonstone is striking.
On Dragonstone and around Dandelion, he always looks so broody, so tense and weary.
Whilst after he leaves, he looks relaxed, smiles, laughs, talks freely, even though he is on a suicide mission, and he acknowledges the fact that he might die, again, that they might all die, he’s more relaxed and at ease than we’ve ever seen him in Dragonstone and with Miss D., he basically starts acting like our Jon again.
I love how he “refuses” to lie to Cersei and declares he already serves a Queen, Dandelion, and gives that whole speech about lying, when he is fact lying, and he serves neither Dandelion nor Cersei, he serves only the North and his family. He pulled that stunt to make Dandelion believe, he is good and honorable through and through, to appear honest, to appear as if he would never lie to anyone, ever, to appear as if he would never deceive anyone.
He doesn’t love her, but he needs her dragons, and at this point he’s beyond frustrated with her.
We’ve seen him lie and deceive before, I don’t see why Dandelion is so special that he wouldn’t do it with her too. If needed, if it was for the greater good, if it was to protect Bran, Arya and Sansa, he would do it, without hesitating, even if it wasn’t the honorable thing to do. He didn’t enjoy betraying Ygritte, but he did it anyway. The fact Ned was killed for his honor, and has the reputation of always telling the truth strengthens his ‘stunt’, makes it so much more believable.
“The more people you love, the weaker you are. You’ll do things for them, that you know you shouldn’t do. You’ll act the fool to make them happy, to keep them safe.” (Jon will do ANYTHING to save the North, to save his people and most importantly his family)
“If it were anyone else outside those gates, I might have hoped for a private audience. But this is Stannis Baratheon. I’d have a better chance at seducing his horse. Have I shocked you (I suppose there’ll be many shocked viewers next season lol), little dove? Tears aren’t a woman’s only weapon.” (Jon begged her, tried to persuade her, he tried to feed her ego, and nothing worked). “The best one’s between your legs.” (this is Jon’s last resort, Dandelion literally forced his hand, so upon realizing it’s the only way, he (reluctantly) decides to use it)
The UCL theory is real. Everything Dandelion is, Jon isn’t (thank the Gods). Everything Jon does and says, points to him not loving her, to him having to seduce her, so all the people in 7 Kindoms don’t end up turned into walking dead men.
