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Palecloud of Skyclan

Name: Palecloud Gender: She-cat Appearance: Diluted calico with around 60% white-spotting, long fur and pale yellow eyes. Clan: Skyclan - former kittypet, but chose to take a warrior name. Rank/Allignment: Warrior Age: 36 moons. History:

Born as a kittypet under the name of Balloon. She and her littermates spent their first few moons normal enough: drinking seemingly endless amounts of milk, purring for the twolegs while they held up little metal boxes that snapped and let out a small flash of light.One thing that really stood out was the vivid stories their mother used to tell them about cats that lived in large, harmonious groups in the forest.

At two moons, some twolegs came to take her and her siblings away. Their mother, looking concerned, told them to run to the forest and that she’d find them in a moon or two, once this all died down.

So, she and her littermates, after a few days in a strange, sterile den, took off for the forest, seeking out the mystical clan from the stories. This was Skyclan. They were welcomed by the Skyclan cats, and soon learned their ways. Sure enough, a moon later, their mother arrived, though she told them regretfully she couldn’t stay - but she would be a ‘Daylight Warrior’. The rest of Palecloud’s days in Skyclan were normal enough, and safe, apart from the occasional tussle with a badger or fox.

She then met a handsome tom named Clearsong, and together they have had two perfect little kittens. Her mother visits less and less, due to her older age - but, suprisingly, this doesn’t sadden Palecloud as much as she thought it would.

Personality: Impulsive, often saying harsh things she doesn’t really mean, which got her in a lot of trouble, mainly as an apprentice. Cheerful and optimistic, and diplomatic, preferring to use words rather than claws, but she is not afraid to fight with her life for her clan. She’s also very easygoing, which is how she got her -cloud suffix.

Family:

Flicka, mother: Long furred calico she-cat with green eyes. Protective, motherly (of course) and has a bit of a short temper.

Sherbet, father: Pale ginger tabby tom with light amber eyes and short fur. He never really knew his kits, as he and Flicka were from a twoleg cat breeder.

Birdfeather, formerly Bean, sister: Small calico she-cat with green eyes, She’s thoughtful and quiet, yet confident in herself and her siblings.

Elkheart, formerly Bubbles, brother: Ginger tabby with piercing green eyes. Intelligent and protective, yet has a hard time forming close bonds to other cats,

Clearsong, mate: Black and white 'tuxedo’ tom with blue eyes. Shy and thoughtful, he hoped to be medicine cat until he met Palecloud and knew that he couldn’t live without her. (I know, awww).

Awwwww... also, from a strictly traditional perspective, “-song” isn’t an acceptable suffix. That said, from my less traditional perspective, I think it works well here. You do you.

Fawnkit, daughter: tortoiseshell tuxedo with blue eyes. Outgoing and sweet, she immediantly attempts to make friends with anything that moves or talks.

Featherkit, son: Black tom with long, feathery fur and amber eyes. Still as friendly as his sister, but a little more withdrawn.

Brightkit, daughter: Black she-cat with 70% white-spotting and blue eyes. Sadly, Brightkit was the smallest and weakest of the litter, and died before she was even a moon.

Oh dear.

This was too long, wasn’t it? Ehehe… Sorry about that. Review what you can, and thankyou!

Not too long at all! Actually, this is nearly the perfect length for this kind of character description.

First of all, this is really good. You do a good job of summing up the relevant events in Palecloud’s life and her personal relationships. The only thing that I’m missing is potential for conflict. This is a good summary of the character’s backstory, and I found it easy to read and understand which is always important, but I think a little more detail about the plot of the story Palecloud is in might also be appreciated.

My biggest questions while reading this centered around Flicka -- how did she know about SkyClan? How was she able to easily leave the house regularly enough to be a daylight warrior if she was from a twoleg cat breeder, since they of all people tend to be very careful to keep their cats indoors? How did Palecloud and the other kits escape from the twolegs without their mother’s help when they were so young, and how did they find SkyClan on their own?

Overall, though, this is really great! Good work!

~ E

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Siblings, their Mates and everyone's Kits

I have four siblings, they each have a mate and theirs about to be an explosion of kits (It’s all plot relevant). I’ve been reading up on cat genetics, but I’m still uncertain with regards to how certain genes interact with one another. So that’s where you guys come in.

No problem! I assume you want to know possible kits for all the siblings and their mates, so that’s what I’ll give you. Feel free to send another ask if you want something else!

The first couple are cream and white (60% white) molly. She has green eyes, short fur (But carries longhair) and is a mackerel tabby. Her mate is solid black tom. He has amber eyes, short fur and would be mackerel if he wasn’t a solid. Not a spot of white on him.

Okay, so for this couple, all the male kits will be ginger or cream and all the female kits will be tortoiseshells. If the tom carries dilute, about half of them will be dilute (cream toms and blue-cream torties) and about half will be non-dilute (ginger toms and normal torties). If not, they’ll all be non-dilute.

If the she-cat carries solid, about half the she-kits will be solid tortoiseshells and about half will be mackerel tabby-tortoiseshells. If she doesn’t, all the she-kits will be mackerel tabby-torties. The toms will all be mackerel tabbies, since there’s no such thing as truly solid ginger or cream. 

At 60% white, the she-cat could have either one or two S (white-spotting) genes. If she has one, half the kits will have no white and half will have anywhere from 0-60% white. If she has two, all the kits will have somewhere from 0-60% white. I think it’s slightly more likely for her to have two given her siblings’ white spotting, but it’s really a toss-up.

If the tom carries longhair, about 25% of the kits will be longhair. If not, all the kits will be shorthair.

The second couple are another cream and white (She’s only 40% white though) molly. She has green eyes like her sister, is also short furred (But carries longhair) and is again, a mackerel tabby. And a black and white (50% white) tom. (He’s not related to the first mollies mate.) He has amber eyes, is a longhair and carries mackerel.

Okay, this couple is pretty much identical to the above except for white spotting. You can make the cats in the separate couples carry different things, of course, but the same options are there for coloration and patterns. The only i

As for white spotting, both the she-cat and the tom either have one or two S (white-spotting genes) each. That being the case, half of the kits will have anywhere from 0-60% white, 25% will have 40-100% white, and 25% will have no white at all. If one of them has two S genes and the other only one, half the kits will have 0-60% white and half will have 40-100%. If they both have two S genes, all the kits will have 40-100% white spotting. I find it more likely that they each have one, especially the she-cat, but it’s possible for either of them to have two if you want them to.

About half the kits will be shorthair, and about about half will be longhair.

The third couple are mackerel cream tabby tom. He is shorthaired like his sisters, has the family green eyes, but carries longhair and the white spotting gene. And his mate is a gray tabby and white (30% white) molly. She is a mackerel tabby, carries dilute, is a longhair and has green eyes.

Okay, different results for these kits! A quick correction: a grey tabby cannot carry dilute, because grey IS dilute.

All the female kits will be tortoiseshells, and all the male kits will be non-ginger/cream. Since both parents are dilute, all the toms will be grey and all the she-kits will be blue-cream torties. If both parents carry solid, about 25% of the kits will be solid; otherwise, the kits will all be mackerel tabbies.

Now, the white spotting gene technically isn’t “carried” -- it’s technically an incompletely-dominant gene. Now, cats with one S (white spotting) gene can end up exhibiting no white spotting at all. However, it’s more likely for such a cat to have a very small amount of white somewhere that simply isn’t very noticeable. Just keep that in mind. That said, about half the kits will have anywhere from 0-60% white spotting, about 25% will have 40-100% white spotting, and about 25% will have no white at all.

About half the kits will be longhair and about half will be shorthair.

The fourth and final couple are a pure white tom (He would be cream colored like the rest of his siblings, but instead, he’s 100% white!). He has green eyes like the rest of his family and is also shorthaired (But as usual, carries longhair), would be a mackerel if his white wasn’t covering it up. His mate is a solid, blue-gray molly. She has green eyes, is longhaired, carries mackerel tabby and the white spotting gene.

So, lots of dilute at work here eh? Plenty of white spotting too.

First of all, thank you SO much for telling us what his genetic coloration is beneath the white! So many people don’t do that, and telling us really makes this infinitely easier.

Alright, so colors are the same as with the previous couple -- grey toms and blue-cream she-cats are possible. If the tom carries solid, about half the kits will be solid and about half will be mackerel tabbies. If he doesn’t, they’ll all be mackerel tabbies. 

Because the tom has green eyes, his 100% whiteness must be from white spotting and not from white masking (which always produces blue and/or orange eyes). Thus, he has two S (white spotting) genes and the she-cat has one. About half the kits will end up with two and have anywhere from 40-100% white spotting, and about half will have one and have anywhere from 0-60% white spotting. 

About half the kits will be longhair and about half will be shorthair.

Hope this all helps!

~ E

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I’d put this in an ask but I’m afraid it won’t fit and I don’t want to clutter too much…

I’ve been working with a kitty family and wondered if my genetics were correct?

Toadflower: brown/red mackerel torbie molly with short fur (Ll), and 10% white. + Elmface/claw: brown mackerel tabby tom with short fur (LL) and 30% white = Spiderfoot: brown mackerel tabby tom with short fur (Ll) and 20% white.

Yes, 100% possible!

Toadflower: brown/red mackerel torbie molly with short fur (Ll), and 10% white. + Patchstorm:  black-and-white tom with long fur (ll) and 60% white. =  Halfface: black molly with short fur and 20% white, Badgerclaw: black and white tom with long fur (ll) and 50% white, Snakeclaw: brown mackerel tabby tom with long fur (ll) and 30% white.

Oh dear, I feel sorry for Halfface already -- a cat doesn’t get a name like that because they lived a trouble-free life. And yes, as long as Patchstorm carries solid, these are all possible.

Toadflower: brown/red mackerel torbie molly with short fur (Ll), and 10% white. + Redcloud: red classic tabby tom with long fur (ll) and no white. = Firekit: red mackerel tabby molly with no white, Gingerkit: red mackerel tabby tom with 10% white.

Yes! Good!

These are all well-done and make perfect sense genetically! Congrats!

~ E

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First off I want to say that I love this site! I have only recently come across it, but have already submitted several cat genetic queries, and I am so happy that you give very clear information. I particularly like looking back through past tags and the archives, and I have bookmarked both this wonderful site and your wonderful color/pattern reference chart for future reference. :)

Last night I came across the problem that some of my OCs were genetically impossible, being black toms and a black she-cat coming from a black tom and a silver spotted tabby she-cat. So I decided to rehaul their genetic family tree in the hopes of achieving black kitties that actually should be black! I wondered if you might tell me whether this would be true or not?

Family:

-          Nightstar: black tom with white forepaws and small white splash on chest. (either homogenous longhair (ll) or heterozygous shorthair (Ll), solid, 30% white, amber eyes.)

Mates with

-          Cloudflower: white masking black she-cat. (either homogenous longhair or heterozygous shorthair (ll or Ll), solid, 100% white that is expressed, blue or green eyes)

Parents of

Ravenpaw, Rookpaw: black toms with amber eyes, white forepaws, throats, and chins. (either homozygous longhair (ll), heterozygous shorthair (Ll), or homozygous shorthair (LL), solid, 30% white, amber eyes).

Crowpaw: black she-cat with a white muzzle, chin, throat, chest, belly, blaze, tail-tip, and toes. (either homozygous longhair (ll), heterozygous shorthair (Ll), or homozygous shorthair (LL), solid, 45% white, blue eyes).

Mother’s Line:

Eaglestar: huge, dark brown tabby tom. (homogenous longhair (ll), mackerel tabby, 0% white, golden eyes.)

Mates with

Lilyfur: white masking black she-cat of Turkish angora type. (homogenous longhair (ll), solid, 100% white genetically that is expressed, green eyes.)

Parents of

-          Blizzardfur: small white masking black tom. (homogenous longhair (ll), solid, 100% white genetically that is expressed, yellow-green eyes).

Mates with

-          Clovercloud: small golden tabby she-cat. (homogenous longhair (ll), spotted tabby, 50% white, blue eyes).

Parents of

Swanheart: lithe white masking tortoiseshell she-cat. (homogenous longhair (ll), solid, 100% white that is expressed, blue eyes).

Mates with

Pinestripe: tall, thin, gray tabby tom of oriental shorthair type. (heterozygous shorthair (Ll), spotted tabby, 0% white, green eyes).

Parents of

-          Cloudflower: white masking black she-cat. (either homogenous longhair or heterozygous shorthair (ll or Ll), solid, 100% white that is expressed, blue or green eyes)

Father’s Line:

Eaglestar: huge, dark brown tabby tom. (homogenous longhair (ll), mackerel tabby, 0% white, golden eyes.)

Mates with

Lilyfur: white masking black she-cat of Turkish angora type. (homogenous longhair (ll), solid, 100% white genetically that is expressed, green eyes.)

                Parents of

-          Crowheart: large, black tom. (homogenous longhair (ll), carries mackerel tabby, 0% white, golden eyes.)

Mates with

-          Aspentail: large, dark gray she-cat. (homogenous shorthair (LL), mackerel tabby, 60% white, green eyes.)

Parents of

Stormclaw: large, very dark gray tabby tom. (heterozygous shorthair (Ll), mackerel tabby, 30% white, yellow eyes).

Mates with

Blackfoot: black she-cat with white feet and belly. (homozygous shorthair (LL), solid, 40% white, amber eyes).

Parents of

-          Falconfoot: very dark gray tabby she-cat with white feet and belly. (either homozygous shorthair  (LL) or heterozygous shorthair (Ll), mackerel tabby, 35% white, amber eyes).

Mates with

-          Threefoot: large, very dark black-brown tabby tom. (heterozygous shorthair (Ll), mackerel tabby, 0%  white, amber eyes.)

Parents of:

Darkstream: very dark gray-black mackerel tabby tom. (heterozygous shorthair (Ll), 20% white, amber eyes.)

Mates with

Starlingfoot: black she-cat with white feet and a white chest splash, oriental longhair type. (homogenous longhair (ll), solid, 35% white, green eyes.)

Parents of

-          Nightstar: black tom with white forepaws and small white splash on chest. (either homogenous longhair (ll) or heterozygous shorthair (Ll), solid, 30% white, amber eyes.)

I’m sorry if this is terribly, terribly long, but you know way more about cat genetics than I currently do, but I’m trying to learn, as I’m finding it very interesting, and I hope I’m not proving myself utterly ignorant in my newly reworked cat family. Thank you so much for your input!

I can’t spot any obvious errors here, so I think you’re good! Congratulations, you clearly put a lot of work into this. It does seem a bit strange that Nightstar would manage to get two non-agouti genes without many solid cats in his ancestry, but since tabby is dominant it’s certainly possible! This is a really well-done family tree, congratulations!

~ E

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I saw that you do character reviews, and wondered if perhaps you might review one of my characters? I’m always interested in feedback for my characters, and wondered if you think he is lacking in anything that should have further explaining, and whether he seems like a strong character? The only real trouble I know I am having with him is figuring out his family situation. Many of his friends have lost one or both parents, due to their clan having recently (in the last year or two) suffered a serious war with a very large group of invading rogues, costing them many warriors. I just worry that it might seem unreasonable that he, too, is alienated from/lacking in a set of parents…

Name: Firestorm

Gender: cis tom

Appearence: young, large, muscular, longhaired red tabby tom with spiky fur and bright yellow eyes.

Clan: WoodClan: a large clan with a very large territory that extends deep into a forest with a verity of deciduous and coniferous trees, and reaches to the edge of a river and along a lake shore. There are many streams within the clan borders, which are often used as an alternate food source during leafbare when many land prey animals hide away. The camp is centered around a massive oak tree and is sheltered in a large hollow surrounded by dense undergrowth and many boulders.

Age: 30 moons

Mentor: Daisystorm: light ginger she-cat with tabby points, a feathery tail, and golden eyes. Firestorm respects her highly, though he always found her strict and demanding, which, as an apprentice, he often felt was unfair due to his wandering attention and boundless energy for mischief often landing him in trouble. Now he often looks to her for advice, and sees her as a second mother due to his own mother being so absorbed in warrior duties.

Apprentice: Russetpaw: small, thin, scarred, dark red tom with pale yellow eyes. Firestorm admires his apprentice’s intellect and drive to succeed and learn as much as possible, though he sometimes finds him more pragmatic than the average clan cat, due to his past as a rogue. He enjoys spending time with the young tom and trains him hard, and though he might seem overly demanding to others, often doing hunting, battle training, and patrolling with Russetpaw from dawn to dusk, he feels that such energetic training is necessary, as clan life is tough, and those who aren’t suited to it need to see up front what the roughest work is like and just how much energy and loyalty they must put into their clan.

History/Personality:

Whatever needs doing, Firestorm is willing to help! Always enthusiastic and as up for a game as he is hunting or patrolling, Firestorm tries to focus on the good in life rather than worrying about the down—or at least seems that way. He can be boisterous and teasing, though any danger that threatens his clan or friends is taken very, very seriously, and he will not hesitate to put all his considerable strength and size into defending them. He adores kits and loves playing with them. He’s also known as a bit of a flirt, and is considered quite good-looking by the standards of many cats. He can be impulsive and overly-energetic, but more serious times snap him down to earth and give him a tough and far less chatty and friendly edge.  

As an apprentice he was far less reliable, and often became distracted from his duties out of curiosity at exploring things and a desire for adventure. Inwardly he still feels deep guilt for, as an apprentice, neglecting watching his younger cousin, Sootkit, which led to the kit being badly injured by a young fox and left physically scarred. Ever since then he has been extremely protective of kits and younger cats, and always takes any potential threat to them very seriously. He considers apprentices and kits the absolute foundations of any clan due to their being the future of the clan, and he diligently follows the code to never neglect any kit in pain or danger, leading him to help rescue a pair of (formerly) rogue kits from an abusive owner.

He has a deep devotion to his cousin, Sootkit, and now that he is a young apprentice, Firestorm often offers to patrol with him and never misses an opportunity to play with or teach him, though he also tries to emphasis the importance of duties and the good and care of the whole clan even while having fun. He is rather surprised that Sootpaw bears him no ill-will for his injuries, as he feels extremely at fault, which is partially why he devotes so much time and attention to him; in his mind he hopes he can somehow make restitution for his past negligence and irresponsibility.

He is an enthusiastic mentor, though his high energy and determination in success make him demanding as he pushes his apprentice, Russetpaw, to his limits. He is an exceptionally loyal friend, and often puts himself in harm’s way to defend any clanmates. He is a popular patrol leader due to his confidence and charisma, as well as his assertions that every cat is vital to the clan and no one is truly more important than anyone else as they all need one another. He is very interested in one day having a mate and kits, however he has not yet met the right she-cat, as he is determined to be faithful to one mate and doesn’t want to end up in a relationship that turns out to be the ‘wrong fit’ for both him and his mate.

He is a very skilled fighter, but, due to the prefix –storm also suiting him, Merlestar gave him a choice between the two. Believing that simply one skill didn’t define who he really was, Firestorm asked for the –storm prefix, as he believes that the energy he throws into every task he does was more important than simply being an exceptionally strong fighter. He is, however, well aware of his skills and can sometimes show off a bit about them, and as an apprentice and new warrior he sometimes became a little boastful, though he has since done so much less often.

Friendship-wise, he believes that many friends are best, as the point of friendship is that different skills and personalities and beliefs can come together to help one another and form better unions inside the clan. He is a close friend of Magpieheart, though he is sometimes irritated by his occasionally strict and bossy attitude and very serious mindset. He has always gotten along well with the medicine cat apprentice, Mouseleaf, and enjoys teasing and joking with him and occasionally helps him with simple tasks, though conflict sometimes arises between them as Firestorm can be rather less tactful and sensitive than Mouseleaf and sometimes blurts things out that could be said in a more proper way. He respects Addernose, though often tries to lighten the other tom’s seriousness and aloof demeanor through playful teasing, which tends to get on Addernose’s nerves. He is still on uncertain terms with Magpieheart’s brother, Badgerclaw, as his energy and very outgoing personality sometimes overwhelm the younger tom, though they each are highly respectful of the other’s fighting skills, and they are often partners during battles; standing together, they are a powerful force and have even fought of a badger by themselves, through sheer determination and ferocity driven by Firestorm’s energy and strength and Badgerclaw’s ruthless tactics and tenacity.

I really hope this isn’t way too long, and I thank you so much if you have the time to look this over!

I really like this character and the backstory you’ve come up with for him! It’s really well-written and he seems like an interesting, well-rounded character. I think you did a good job. I don’t think you have anything to worry about with the parental relationships, either -- just like in real life, of course a clan can have a lot of cats with missing or unengaged parents!

The only nit-picky question I have isn’t even quite a problem with your character, but a word-building/traditional naming bit. It’s mostly irrelevant to the quality of your character (which, again, I really like!) and more a tiny point about how naming might work in clans. It’s 100% my own interpretation, so take it with a grain of salt. I’m also very long-winded, so I’m putting it under a cut below.

~E

I find it a bit odd that the leader allows Firestorm to choose his own warrior name. While the personality- and skill-based meanings of the suffixes do seem to be mostly consistent in the original arc of the Warriors books, I don’t think the cats ever mention outright that they are assigned like that, and I definitely don’t recall an apprentice ever having a say in their own name. I’m not sure if the cats are outright conscious of the meaning of the suffix rather than just having a gut feeling about how a name sounds when they hear it assigned.

I always read the significance of suffixes as sort of an unconscious trend -- the leader picked the name that they felt fit the cat most based more on a gut feeling than anything else, and some suffixes had associated meanings that became consistent based on that -- obviously -claw sounds tough and battle-related, obviously storms are wild and intense, etc.. Granted, that’s my own personal interpretation and I’m a less traditional namer than some, but that was my take. 

There’s nothing wrong at all with having your leader give your character the choice between (presumably) Firestorm and Fireclaw, but I think in order to have that happen you should make it clear that the cats in the clan are consciously aware of the meanings of the suffixes and that it would be appropriate in your clan for an apprentice to have input into. Alternately, you could have the leader choose Firestorm because they see Firepaw’s energy as more distinct and characteristic of him than his fighting abilities are. 

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Bloodlines and Mod Search

Okay so Bloodlines is gonna be a thing, I’ve got some more setting up to do, and I will also need some mods!

I’ll be there of course, but I’ll also need people willing to help out. Since a lot of stuff for this is randomizer based, it will be a  l o t of entering stuff into spreadsheets and seeing what comes out. Which is better than the other alternatives for randomizing which involve going through random number generators or heaven forbid, dice.

I don’t expect it to get too large, and you can bale out at anytime if life circumstances change/you just don’t feel it anymore.

The only things I will require is you be p active on deviant art (as well as have slots left to group mod!) and are not an asshole.

It would also be nice to have a way to keep in touch. Skype is my preferred method, because of group chat and the instant messaging features. But we can make a way if this doesn’t appeal to you.

AAAAANND

I’m gonna review the warriorsochelp mod applications tonight. I should have a decision soon about who joins the cat party here on tumblr!

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Parents for male turkish van?

What color is he? the breed/pattern comes in different colors! Check out the breed standards if you’re going for a purebred kitty, or just pick and choose if he’s a mutt.

Parents for American curl brown tabby with green eyes?

What is the cat’s sex? 

Kittens for small black silver spotted tabby mother and long haired white father,both with amber eyes?(Father is related to male turkish van.)

Read this

Possible kittens for brown and white mother and black silver spotted tabby father?

Is she brown tabby or chocolate?

Is Owlroot a good name for a medicine cat?

I suppose so, what does -root mean to you? Owl- tells me they are a brown tabby, but what is -root supposed to mean? Good at digging up roots? Can get to the /root/ of the problem (hehe). Are they a good problem solver? A good digger? Please explain!

Sorry for so many questions ’^_^

Its fine hehe thats what we’re here for! Good luck and please get back to us :3

~R