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[wincestwhispers]

I am so sick of posts about Dean being “most attracted to a 12yr old Sam” or Dean raping Sam filling the wincest tag everyday I mean seriously do they ever talk about anything else

[sisterwifesam]

i am seeing wayy too many posts judging and harassing everyone who acknowledges that dean is abusive, and then they turn around and write posts about sam making fun of dean's trauma (when canonically it is dean who made a rape joke about sam after sam was violated by gadreel. followed by dean saying he would violate sam again). or posts about sam secretly wanting to abuse dean (when canonically, dean is the one who hits sam to punish him, and feels violent urges for sam during the mark of cain era).

i honestly do not even know where to begin. it just reads like a pathetic attempt to rewrite sam and dean's traits / arcs / roles, all while acting morally superior.

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[prince-of-elsinore]

A few personal thoughts on the Samdean shipper survey results (which overall I very much enjoyed reading):

1. Season 2 supremacy :))))

2. I'm just a little surprised at how many more fans favor Sam than Dean, but there are a few things it has me considering: 1) this is only a snapshot of Wincest fandom at this point in time and I seriously doubt this was the case in the early days. Obviously once D*stiel became so big it drained a lot of Dean fans off into that ship. This is very specifically people involved in fandom in the post-finale era, and I wonder if Dean's death may have been a further drain on Dean-fan engagement. And 2) sample bias, maybe? The survey did get a lot of results, but considering it was made by a Sam stan and circulated heavily among other such blogs, I wondered whether that would skew results. Of course it's impossible to say. And 3) not sure if this is, again, sort of an accident of timing (with many Dean stans disliking the finale) but it seems to me like Wincest tumblr itself is surprisingly Sam-leaning and I'm curious whether that really reflects the wider Wincest fandom (I don't say Bibro b/c to me, you have to love both to be a Bibro) or whether they've naturally migrated towards each other on this particular platform and are therefore over-represented here. I have no idea what twitter or discord fandom is like. Finally 4) I'm REALLY curious to know how different it would look if Sam and Dean equally had been an option. I'm guessing that most people only favor one brother very slightly (me!) and might rather choose that, or do genuinely love both the same. I would guess that Sam and Dean together would receive nearly as many votes as either separately--but maybe not! Maybe stan mentality has permeated fandom too much :\

3. It would be really interesting to see how favorite character lines up with top/bottom preference. I think I'm an outlier in that I prefer my fave (Dean) as a top 😳(not a stickler about it though)

4. Now for just a little salt lol: guess my fandom annoyance answer got subsumed into sam v. dean drama, which I'm surprised didn't get more answers tbh. Never saw dean negativity named as an annoyance but saw dean negativity itself in the answers...🙄 The man is far from perfect but wow am I ever tired of seeing the word "abuse" thrown around (I mean I expected to see it, and it was just a couple answers but I still had to read 'em lol. Sometimes I wish I'd never dipped my toe into this fandom so I would still be blissfully ignorant of this take). Also if I had done that survey more recently I think I would have had more to say, I've sort of just recently put my finger on some fandom trends I don't like. I don't wanna go into detail but... suffice to say I think a lot of things some (especially younger?) Sam stans are very into, I am not into. Love Sam a lot, but often just don't vibe with the sort of headcanons or takes his stans push, and it's why I unfollowed some stan blogs a while back. Feel much happier now in my Bibro/Wincest/Platonic Weird Brothers corner 😌(All love to you if you favor Sam, no skin off my back. It's not the fact of favoring Sam that I dislike, it's more to do with other tastes that somehow seem associated and circulated heavily among certain blogs, but aren't common to all Sam fans. Safe to say if you're in my notes regularly this doesn't apply to you)

5. Okay finally to end on some positivity, I'm happy to get such a long fic rec list and felt inspired to share a few of my fave Wincest authors, along with stellar fics of theirs. Just the first ones that come to mind:

Dyed_Red--Squint into the Sunset | Glare into the Gloaming lovetincture--Collision Course Morgan--Midwinter Montana sonofabiscuit77--A Life Most Ordinary (all their AUs are great) thecapn--Baba O'Riley and Eleanor Rigby walk into a bar (their AUs are also great) killabeez--Carry Me Over the Sky (one of my first fandom faves!) 

[prettybabydean]

i see fellow wincest blogs and i just wanna give them love!

[wincestwhispers]

giving all my fellow wincest shippers who adore and love both brothers kisses from me and nose boops from my cat. have sweet dreams my loves you’ll need the rest to deal with all the stupid discourse and harassment♥️

[wincestwhispers]

I love how evidence against atticwifers claims just keeps piling up. They say bottom Dean is the most popular and is all anyone talks or writes about. I go on ao3 and see both bottom Sam and omega Sam are more popular than bottom Dean. They continue to complain that they’re the minority of the wincest fandom. I see these poll results

712 votes. You can think and ship whatever you want but you should really stop lying about the wincest fandom as a whole it’s embarrassing

[sisterwifesam]

me, after months of being harassed by the bottom dean crowd for saying dean is abusive and posting about atticwife sam, watching them post about evil creepy sam and abused omega atticwife dean : okay. cool. it is fine when you do it, but when i talk about atticwife sam i am labeled an 'atticwifer'?

also, they are literally just rewriting canon by swapping sam and dean's names. 'sam is the controlling, abusive one!!' sam is not the brother who locks the other up and beats him as punishment. he is not the one whose siren took the form of a submissive version of his brother. hope that helps, since they seem to have watched the show with their eyes closed.