#zero's journey

[thetownwecallhome]

"Sandy Loves"

Sandy sure is forgiving...

((OOC: I find it hilarious that "Zero's Journey" (the only TNBC sequel, as far as I'm concerned. There is NOTHING else and that's how it should be) confirms Santa literally is forgiving of Lock, Shock and Barrel and but has no indication of forgiving Jack despite being on friendly terms with him.

You go Santa.))

[tnbc-thoughtsandheadcanons]

I think sadly the reason why all TNBC sequels never work out is because they always choose one character to focus on. Like they pick Jack or Sally to focus on and the other is just there as a side character the main character a has to save. In the movie it is both equally there story Jack just gets more attention then Sallys dose sadly. One cannot survive without the other and that’s why every sequel is inadequate because it just chooses one of them to tell the story tell. They make a story where both Jack and Sally can be together in an equally story we won’t have a decent sequel.

I share your sentiment; the reason Zero's Journey works as one of my favorite TNBC sequels is because, while it's a tale about *Zero*, we get to see how it affects the other characters and watch as they step into the story for themselves. Lock, Shock, and Barrel have some great time in Christmas Town with Santa Claus, we get to see how Zero's absence is affecting Jack and Sally comforting him in this time, and even a spotlight on the Halloween Town Residents as they join in the search for him. I can't rave enough about ZJ in a time when LLTPQ got two unnecessary sequel books.

Speaking of LLTPQ -- I've had a lot of discussion lately about the series and where it stands now. My feelings are complex, but ultimately, I think Disney is losing its footing with Sally-centered sequels because they're meddling *too* much in what they want and don't want in these stories. I think they were more lenient with the initial Long Live the Pumpkin Queen because it was among the first of Sally sequels and experimented with quite a few things. We have Jack and Sally getting married and going on their honeymoon, Queen Elizabeth II, and other things that challenge what we've gotten in other TNBC adaptations.

Now that Disney knows Sally sells *really* well, and LLTPQ is arguably the best performing TNBC book, they're more comfortable with telling the author(s) that she CAN'T have children with Jack, they're more comfortable with them making up random towns for Sally to visit and new, nonsensical villains instead. Even when the author's vision was to have the element of time also consist of Sally's marriage with Jack and having children with him + his desire for such a thing as well.

They want to play it safe with Sally. They want her to be like all the other modern Disney Princesses and be 'badass', inspiring, always the hero and saving her love interest, because they abandoned the alternative awhile ago. And it's so funny to see the author(s) keep writing Sally expressing that she clearly doesn't want this, she just wants to be with Jack more than anything else, even imagining having children with him. Sally is strong and inspiring in her own right, but she's also a lover and a dreamer, and I highly doubt she's the right fit of a character for a three-book series on saving Halloween Town again and again.

As you said, there's also been a struggle to have Jack and Sally serve as equals to each other. And having Jack being the damsel in distress/in peril instead of Sally doesn't do a lot for equality, despite how much Disney thinks it does. I'd like to see them progress in their marriage, as Pumpkin King & Queen, adventuring together like was promised in the original LLTPQ, and talking about how they might move forward in their relationship (i.e. children). But for some reason...we just can't get any of that??? Only ONE book allowed Jack and Sally to go on a journey together, and since they weren't married, it was full of crushing and mutual pining. I'd like to see the husband and wife *DO* things together!

[books-in-a-storm]

JOMPBPC November 2024: Day 16 Graphic Novels

[ask-lock-shock-and-barrel]

((I can't sleep well tonight so I decided to do a style study of the trio from the 'Zero's Journey' manga and draw them like someone or something has given them a rude awakening in the middle of the night))

[anjizu]

My new Nightmare Before Christmas tattoo! A very early birthday present from my sister & brother-in-law~ this is my third tattoo! (I have an infinity tattoo & a welsh dragon that I had done as a tribute to my dad, who passed away in 2021)

I love it! 💀🖤 If you're curious, the original illustration is from TNBC manga sequel, "Zero's Journey" with artwork by Kei Ishiyama.

[rascal-rose]

Human jack redraw; zero’s journey edition!

(yall should check out the comic if you can, its such a good sequel) 

[darkwingsnark]

Finally was able to get my hands on ‘Zero’s Journey’, and overall I enjoyed it. Zero, Lock, Shock and Barrel certainly were the best parts. Actually, most of the stuff in Christmas town was a lot of fun. Lots of expanding the lure of the location. And the artist did an interesting way of translating the OG style into a more eastern manga design.

I do have a few complaints however, in the writing. For one, none of the citizens in Halloween Town had a distinct personality. Which is a shame, since I think the movies does well with letting each character have their moment to shine. The song lyrics were also awful. There was no melody. I understand not being able to reach out to Danny Elfman for help in that regard, but still... at least someone who writes poetry could have fixed the pacing issues of it. 

And finally... the heck was up with the manager of Christmas town? He flat out used mind control and that was NEVER confronted as a problem. Does Santa just allow mind control during Christmas? Is this an unintentional commentary on the consumerism of the holiday coming before the people? Why the heck does CHRISTMAS TOWN feel more dubious than Halloween Town?? EXPLAIN THIS TO ME, COMIC!!

[badtnbcideas]

In an effort to update the film for fans, Mister Myzer from Zero's Journey is added in with CGI, randomly sobbing and calling people morons with no context