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Uhhh.... musical lover? Fav musicals: EPIC, Hamilton, Heathers, SIX, Paris! Musicals I know but never watched (probably from audios): Penelope, Wicked, Stories of Styx, Hadestown, Legally blonde, Newsies musicals I've FINALLY watched: Matilda I also love Greek myths!!! I also know a lot of fandoms, CRK, for example Also I like Sonic (will NOT be seeing draw any tho) If I draw... most likely its doodle, serious drawings are not my thing, so you're GOING to see doodles

[sparkskun]

I can wrap my head around most ancient Greek customs, but the one I will never understand is the flow of

Guest arrives -> No introductions happens -> They are called in, sometimes bathe, but always fed -> Questions and conversation only happens after eating

Like you guys really don't talk at all while you dine? :'} not even a pleasent "Sooo whose son are you if I may ask?" Nonono, it has to wait until our bellies are full!

[doloneia]

ok ive seen nolans odyssey and what the fuck was that actually

[doloneia]

Parts that made me tweak in a dim-lit movie theater:

1. Every time we meet a woman or enslaved individual that, y’know, had some semblance of agency in the text, Nolan has just… removed that? Circe’s commanding presence & how she genuinely overpowers Odysseus? Gone. Helen actually stealing the show in Book 4 where she walks down into the room and controls the conversation re: Odysseus & Troy? Gone. Utterly Gone. Lupita Nyong’o gets 0 chance to speak on her own terms and its actually so depressing. Athena doesnt get to do ANYTHING it was actually shocking. Telemachus is instead accompanied by Real Mentor for fuck knows how long. Athena is the one who pushes him to leave in the first place??? But not in Nolan’s adaptation ifg 😭 Also I’m genuinely unsure here but it seemed like Circe & Calypso’s divine status was… nonexistent?? They’re both goddesses but apparently not to Christopher Nolan 🫤

And this treatment extends to Odysseus’ slaves, specifically Eumaeus & Eurycleia (eurynome & philoetius not appearing in this goddamn film ifg). Almost every action taken by Eurycleia in the Odyssey is attributed to someone else in Nolan’s adaptation, she gets 0.2 seconds of screentime, its actually absurd. I think she has two lines in the whole movie. Eurycleia. Odysseus and Telemachus’ nurse. The woman who canonically organizes the doors to be locked during the suitor’s slaughter? Who canonically helps secure Telemachus’ provisions for Pylos? fuckin. Not There. And Eumaeus (who literally perfectly models xenia to a disguised Odysseys while living in extreme poverty) notably Does Not Get To Do That in Nolan’s odyssey, instead he’s like. injured I guess? I’m so fuckin confused as to why that happened, it just made the plot more convoluted. Medon is also just not there at all. Medon who is actually the fuckin best?? My underestimated king??? Where Is He.

2. oh my god everything abt the scene with Polyphemus makes me want to claw my eyes out (except maybe his eye? that looked kinda cool idfk). yknow how polyphemus appears, speaks to the crew, and they let their guard down? how the polyphemus episode represents the world outside of greek customs like xenia? how he fucking talks to them? he talks to them and his neighbors? yeah. in Nolan’s odyssey, there are no neighbors. there is no existential mirror/cyclopean foil to ithacan society. there are no other cyclopes. He doesnt even fucking talk 😭😭 <- i mean he gets one line but the audios so distorted that without captions i had no idea what he said

3. Anticleia reunion scene? Nonexistent. Laertes? Nonexistent. Allegedly still around. Sir Not-Appearing In-This-Film. Book 15 reunion between Telemachus and Odysseus? Nonexistent. Reunion between Odysseus, Eumaeus, and Philoetius? Not there. The fucking marriage bed scene? The goddamn marriage bed? NOT THERE. screams into a bag

4. ODYSSEUS “DIDNT WANT TO RETURN HOME” 😭 they keep fucking saying this over and over again too and. No he very much did. No home means no guaranteed kleos guys. his sons life is in jeopardy but Ok christopher shitlan do whatever the fuck you want, i guess

5. every time i heard them say “our civilization is collapsing” or “they say the peoples from the sea are attacking” or “our age of bronze is ending” not only did i feel my soul die a little more inside but i also kept thinking “man, this sounds a lot like the white supremacist belief in ‘western civilization’ just superimposed onto a falsified image of the late bronze age” and thats because It Is.

strange decisions:

1. boar scar apparently occurred when odysseus was an adult???

2. elliot page’s sinon gets one helluva backstory which i guess was kinda cool if you ignore elliot page getting brutally slaughtered in the first 30 seconds of the movie? not sure how to feel about that

3. travis scott kept showing up randomly which was like. fine i guess? genuinely im not sure what the difference between him & phemius was supposed to be. i didnt even see phemius. tbf i was taking notes this whole time so maybe i missed him? but travis scott shouldve just been phemius idfk why he wasnt

4. The Phaecians are just not there guys and i have no idea why. odysseus’ wanderings are being narrated to calypso?

5. the crew mutinies at scylla instead? odysseus tries to sail towards charybdis??? this was a bizarre sequence

6. no nestor or peisistratus. somehow telemachus sails to the 100% inland palace of menelaus. who needs a chariot when you’ve got a Boat i guess

7. half of my notes just say “what happened to show, don’t tell” because the amount of exposition made me want to slam my head into the wall

highlights:

1. anne hathaway and tom holland had a very good dynamic, i feel like they really captured some of the tension between penelope & telemachus, ie penelope running the house for 20 years and still assuming some of that authority vs. telemachus trying to grow up/assume control of the household/establish his own kleos. loved that dynamic tbh. one of the better parts of the telemachy sections

2. lupita nyong’o was great in the uh. 30 seconds she had on screen. im so serious helen was fucking robbed in this movie

3. himesh patel fucking carried every scene he was in on his Back

4. rare cicones appearance

maybe the real sea peoples was the troy we sacked along the way

[storynerd121]

so I just watched the odyssey movie....

and I made this within 5 minutes of returning. so I think that sums up my thoughts on it. (though im willing to rant more if ppl want it. cause I have COMPLAINTS)

[echo-loves-flowerboy]

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[sarafangirlart]

Nolan downplaying Athena’s involvement in Odysseus’s return is sexist btw.

[bbbabbaiiika1984]

Achilles and Patroclus: a fanart based on a design vase

[echo-loves-flowerboy]

Iphigenia hates all your faves and we’re just gonna have to live with that

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[telemachusismatwin]

Why is today the day I learn that Agamemnon a Mare named Aetha brooo

Someone draw this beautiful girl PLEASE 😭✌️

[ithacantrickster]

would NOT trust Odysseus with pulling out an arrow like that 🏹

commission for @michellesaturm <3

[telemachusismatwin]

I just thought of calling Orestes, "Oreo".... Imagine a fight between Neapolitan and Oreo McFlurry

[telemachusismatwin]

Boredom ofc takes over, and I just CANT control it-

[masterofthewarcry]

next chart gonna b nipple prominence

[zeusdefender23]

Odyssues when he won Achilles Armor knowing his short-ass will never fit it (it’s for bragging rights)

[katerinaaqu]

Underrated and crazy mythology crack-ship (Helenilles)

On another take these two versions of the story exist; Some say that after Achilles dreamt he had intercourse with Helen, he desired her sexually and having the dream stuck in his mind, he went to the walls and demanded Helen to be brought out so that he could see her. The Trojans got persuaded and brought her at the walls and when he saw her he was taken over by even more desire for her. Some others say that when he saw her upon the walls for the first time he was taken over by passion for her and he demanded from his mother to help him so he could sleep with her. However she made a dream for him so it would feel like he had actually had intercourse with her and thus he was consoled. On one hand created the image because of dream love and the other created the image by her beauty and this fired him up.

(Translation by me)

Ioannis Tzetzes in his Ad Lycophronem

Yes I know many people made commentary on this and honestly I am not expecting many people to see this but here are my two cents because I seriously find it fascinating to say the very least as an idea haha

For once I dunno which is funnier; Achilles actually be portrayed to have wet dreams or that he either literally comes to the enemy territory under the walls demanding for a woman arguably married to their freaking prince to come out so he could see her (or that it freaking WORKED?!) or that he literally sees her, THEN starts having some intense thoughts about her and asks his mother for goodness sakes to bring her to him! Or bring him to her! And Thetis literally seeing that such thing might not happen (or did she really know or fear that Achilles would get badly rejected?! Haha) and literally indulging a dream to her son?! Honestly this story doesn't get enough love for what it is hahahahaha

For once it shows Achilles's personality and how he probably falls in love or desires people like a freaking lion in heat almost literally so! Or that he is arguably an eternal teenager (not to mention how the story about desire that takes over him in a second reminds me of Deidamia story among others) Second of all is yet another underrated story that explores other aspects of Achilles's personality as impulsive (yes his sexuality too but honestly I am more interested at how he is actually working with his emotion more than what he works with his mind haha Also to imagine Achilles being all distracted because he is always thinking of some woman he saw only once and then had wet dreams of is sooooo funny in my head!

Now which of the two seems more "realistic" from that point of view? Well the second one I would say. To see a dream of someone it means you have seen that someone so unless some god sent him the image of Helen, whom he hadn't seen before, to his mind, it makes more sense that Achilles got a glimpse of Helen first before actually dreaming about her. After that I am sure he had several wet dreams about her and to be fair is so funny to see Achilles approaching the walls with a giant white flag like

"Yeah I just wanna see her! Bring her out"

Hahahahaha and the Trojans actually do?! Paris is eating his hat behind for sure hahaha but there isn't much he can do about it haha (imagine if the Trojans thought that if Achilles demands her in return for finishing the war they would literally send her down for him hahaha). Maybe Menelaus is eating his own hat behind too! What a mess! Was Helen even given an explanation when she was led at the walls or she was just brought there and she looked down to see that tall blonde lovesick puppy underneath?! Hahahaha honestly I can imagine her reaction;

Or the fact that Thetis was like "man there is no way this would work! Aphrodite would make a huge mess afterwards, Helen probably would choose her husband over my son and he is already restless! What do I do? Oh I know!" and literally sends him the most vivid lucid dream hahahaha like she brings a new level to the term "overprotective mother" doesn't she? (Also Achilles sharing everything with his mama is always interesting and underrated subject!)

Patroclus probably heard Achilles make some interesting noises those nights, I must say! Hahahahaha

Tzetzes has some rather...well...interesting takes on myths haha and that was one of those he has written down as some explanation for Achilles being associated with Helen (even mentions Helen as "his wife in a dream") but man talk about some spicy origins of the "Once Upon a Dream" right?! Hahahahahahaha

[blue-lotus333]

“The Trojan counterpart of Odysseus is Aeneas”

Antenor is righttt there👀👀

[blue-lotus333]

The gay won

[alisalikestodraw]

My Cleopyrrha

Patrochilles but lesbian.

Heres the reference to it.

And yes i based their attire off of ancient mycenaean/minoan wedding attire.

Did a bit of research and then start bullshitting.

O uh, the reason why my Chilles looks like that is bc uh. I imaged Peleus having brunet hair and Thetis with golden hair. And yk how blonde in real life eventually turn into brunet? Yea thats what it is.

[alisalikestodraw]

My Cleopyrrha

Patrochilles but lesbian.

Heres the reference to it.

And yes i based their attire off of ancient mycenaean/minoan wedding attire.

Did a bit of research and then start bullshitting.

O uh, the reason why my Chilles looks like that is bc uh. I imaged Peleus having brunet hair and Thetis with golden hair. And yk how blonde in real life eventually turn into brunet? Yea thats what it is.

[this-sapphics-iad]

So guys..I may have started working on a play..👀👀

Here's a small leak for now<3🫶

I'm a beginner at this so any tips much appreciated!!^^