Capaneus: son of Hipponous, son of Anaxagoras, son of Argus, son of Megapenthes, son of Proetus, son of Abas, son of Lynceus, son of Egyptus, and his mother was Laodice, daughter of Iphis, son of Alector
Capaneus: 'Son of Iphianassa, daughter of Anaxagoras the Argive, son of Megapenthes, son of Proetus, son of Abas, son of Lynceus, son of Egyptus; his mother was Laodice, daughter of Iphis, son of Alector
It seems to be the usual myth of the birth of Dionysus, with some notable additions:
- Semele was possessed during the pregnancy ?? and everyone who touched her belly also became possessed ???? my guess is that this represents Dionysus’ power over madness already being present since the womb
- Hera, while disguised to fool Semele, delivers a scathing speech that boils down to “I hate sluts.”
- There was a household ritual performed for the newborn Dionysus; by who? Zeus? his aunts and grandparents? nymphs?
I would honestly love a retelling or fanfic or SOMETHING (literally anything) that focuses on the culture clashes Andromeda would face living in Greece. I would love to see her struggling with Greek culture and overcorrecting while Perseus tries so hard to learn about her culture and bring it into their lives so she can feel more at home. I would love to see her trying to dress more Greek while Perseus dresses more Aethiopian. Andromeda trying to learn Greek while Perseus hires an Aethiopian tutor for the kids. And himself of course, so he can tell Andromeda he loves her in her native language.
Just checking my followers and HOLYY i did not expect this many-
Idk I created this tumblr just to yap and I wasn't rlly thinking ppl would find it interesting🫠🫠 I wanted to make this post to express my thanks in a way(corny ik but I do feel grateful)
a lot of things piss me off but nothing does the trick quite like THOSE epic the musical fans
*calling telemachus literally anything but his name* *pancake* *people who send death threats to sharpwolf fans* (i dont like the ship either but cmon guys lets be rreal) THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER THINGS TOO
If you like Hector you may have heard of a scholion to a passage of Lycophron's Alexandra that states that Hector wore his hair in what we'd call a mullet:
"Hectorian hair is said to be that which is long at the back and cut short at the front as this Lycophron says."
Scholion 1133 Ad Lycophronem
Now, the original passage refers to the Daunians, the inhabitants of the northernmost part of Apulia in southeastern Italy:
But the chiefs of the Daunians shall build for me a shrine on the banks of the Salpe, and those also who inhabit the city of Dardanus, beside the waters of the lake. And when girls wish to escape the yoke of maidens, refusing for bridegrooms men adorned with locks such as Hector wore, but with defect of form or reproach of birth, they will embrace my image with their arms, winning of mighty shield against marriage, having clothed them in the garb of the Erinyes and dyed their faces with magic simples. By those staff-carrying women I shall long be called an immortal goddess.
Lycophron's Alexandra, v.1122+
This passage is a valuable resource to examine how the Greeks viewed the Daunians in general, but for the purposes of this post it, together with Greek and native Apulian art, can show us almost exactly what this hairstyle would've looked like! (Dump incoming under the cut lol)
In general, our understanding of Daunian men's hairstyles is cloudy due to the schematic nature of Daunian art, where women are often depicted with a long braid whereas men aren't represented with any hair. Here's some examples from Iron Age Daunian stelae.
As you can see, earlier Daunian art doesn't give us much information. Here are some much later IV/III century Daunian tomb frescos from when the area was more Hellenized and Daunian art got more figurative:
As you can see, the Daunians depicted in frescos roughly contemporary with Lycophron's writing correspond pretty accurately to the image painted by the scholion. The Daunian men of this time seem to have worn their hair in a "mullet", like the other native peoples of Apulia, collectively dubbed "Iapygians" by the Greeks. Here are some examples of Apulian natives in Greek red-figure pottery:
Note the distinctly Italic clothing as well as the bronze belts, which you can also see in the stelae above and which they share with other pre-Roman Italic peoples outside of Apulia (you can read up on that here). The last image is a particularly good example to show the contrast between the Greek and the native "style". Below is a fresco from the famous "Tomba delle Danzatrici", from Ruvo di Puglia.
Now, back to Hector lol. If you like the guy you have no doubt seen this Apulian vase painting:
As much as I love it, I'm afraid it might not be Hector after all :(. This scene not only depicts the two warriors with the signature native clothing as seen in earlier examples, it also represents a particularly popular scene in Greek art for a native Italic market: the return/departure of the warrior, often accompanied by libations, as seen in the first two examples above and in the following couple of pictures.
Interestingly, though I have seen the Jatta Museum (where the vase in question is stored) suggest the identification of the scene with that of the Iliad before, it also suggests that the father of the child is actually the man on the left (who gets cut out of the pic most of the time lol), pointing out the similarities in his and the kid's clothes. It also identifies the helmet in "Hector"'s hand as a Chalcidian helmet, clearly extraneous to the otherwise characteristically Italic elements of the scene, and thus interpreted as war loot from the Greek settlers in the region.
Now, this doesn't mean this can't be Hector, Andromache and Astyanax, but it definitely doesn't seem to be the most likely case. BUT! In a weird roundabout way we learned how Lycophron might've pictured Hector's hairstyle, even if that isn't him on the vase! Funny how that works huh, one of the most famous would-be depictions of Hector might not be him but it just so happens it depicts the hairstyle a source mentions the Daunians having taking after him because the vase was produced near Daunia!
Anyways, sorry for the long post , I hope this made sense at least lmao
you may have seen achilles in his miserable blanket burrito but have you seen odysseus Sitting Like That while appealing to achilles in his miserable blanket burrito
achilles looking very "make him stop make him stop make him stop"
”Men think about the Roman Empire” “What’s the female version of the Roman Empire” SHUT UPPPPP. SHUT THE FUCK UPPPPPP. AS A WOMAN I LOVE THE ROMAN EMPIRE. AS A WOMAN I LOVE ANCIENT HISTORY AND BATTLES AND POLITICAL INSTABILITY. THE “GIRL VERSION OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE” IS THE ROMAN EMPIRE. IM GOING TO STAB YOU 23 TIMES
Is it okay to say that I love deidamia and deidamia is so beautiful and she's so gorgeous and cool and lovely and talented and intelligent and sweet and and-
obsessed with the way epic manhood is defined as being remembered– doing great deeds that will be the stuff of song for generations to come, dying in glory and being memorialized by tombs that inscribe greatness on the physical landscape– and epic womanhood is defined as keeping memory alive– helen weaving the images of men about to die, penelope weaving laertes’s glory into his shroud, cassandra raising the cry and andromache the lament for hector–
something about manhood as passive and womanhood as active in relation to memory is just… such an incredible way of framing things
oh and the way it’s helen who calls it κακὸν μόρον, ὡς καὶ ὀπίσσω ἀνθρώποισι πελώμεθ᾽ ἀοίδιμοι ἐσσομένοισι (a terrible fate, that we will become the songs of men yet to be)!
because helen wants to be a storyteller, helen is meant to be a storyteller. helen wants to encode men’s lives in tapestry and eulogy. that’s how we see her when she’s left on her own: striving for domesticity and simplicity, not fame. she is, in homer, the ideal woman, not just beautiful but devoted to her family, modest and hardworking, and so very aware of the responsibility of carrying the memories of those who die.
but her curse is to be the stuff of stories, not a storyteller. the very epitome of woman, yet cut off from the purpose of womanhood within epic.
and helen’s tragedy to be unpersoned by her own unwanted kleos, her own reputation that precedes and eclipses her. she’s trapped behind the mask of her divine beauty that she cannot take off which people see instead of her actual face. no one knows what she really looks like. she and Aeneas should have a therapy group for people usurped by the idea of themselves + personally victimised by Aphrodite/Venus
