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ALSO IM A WITCH OF HOPE NOW LMAO. NO I WONT BE REBRANDING
This puzzle fucking sucks
avril ALSO cant be hopebound, because nobody can be rage! the puzzle is puzzling
ok its out now
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I really enjoyed your third axis being magic analysis.
Do you have any thoughts on Terezi and how "Mind" as an aspect plays along with the more magically inclined seer class? Mind to me feels like one of the most analytical scientific process based aspects and I think the way it would interact with maid/sylph or any of the more magic classes is super interesting.
While I agree that Mind is very analytical, I wouldn't say it's process is purely scientific! The way Terezi peers into the vertices of possibility, while more structured than Roses "vaguely more fortuitous timeline" visions, are still very abstract and mystical to me. Particularly the way she uses Key Words and beacons of thought through paradox space during the retcon arc with June gives me the vibes of... well. That's just spells at that point !! It's harder to see that in Latula, but because the lack of time on her, but at least to me the analytical nature of the aspect doesn't impede on where it sits on the magic scale, its just its own axis which allows for further complexity :3
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charlie is an Heir of Heart, and they Manifest their internal reality VIA FUNDS FROM YOU! maybe this is a familiar coded thing?
Heirs tend to have an ability that allows them to Become their aspect entirely... What does that mean when applied to Heart, the aspect of Personal Identity? If someone can truly Become their internalized concept of themselves, externalize their soul...
Well, accessibility has got to help with that! Couldn't hurt for sure!!!
regardless of the classpecting implications, you should still give them a lil money for their bday if you can spare it :D every little bit helps, and reblogs are based as fuck !!
HI!!
My metamours birthday was on the 10th, so if you're feeling generous this holiday season, help them afford a wheelchair!
https://gofund.me/b43be149d
Thanks for checking it out, and at the very least reblogs would be super super nice!
i love how people are fucking with my perspective. i am so hyped to write more here i just need to find time X)
Worth noting that in the Discord after Vibri said that Hussie said that, they went on to refuse that message being pinned or highlighted and clarified that Hussie wasn't being serious, later seeming amused that people took an apparent "Hussie crashout" seriously.
assuming this is being sent in good faith, but i know that and was also using it to be silly X)
i mean, even kanayas comment about magical witches was a bit. homestuck is 90% bits by weight
like, yes the magic theory is really fun and it has made thinking about this new classpect system super exciting for me and i ABSOLUTELY intend on running with it (more posts coming!!!)
but also. it isnt all that serious?
IM serious. i think its true. but im hopebound, i think its true because it makes me smile, if that makes sense. thats kinda why i was more interested in making interesting reads of the characters and story with this theory than """finding evidence"'" for it
because the evidence is like 3 lines and all of them are jokes X)
this is kinda my main goal with reviving this blog. i'm WAY more interested in injecting interesting ideas into the system than """finding the truth""".
with this original document, hussie made this system which has been hotly debated and flexible more solid! which is really cool, and based on what she said, it seems like were going to get even more!!!
... but like. i like classes flexible. i like it when we dont know everything, and theres wiggle room to futz with and play within. i dont really WANT all the answers... so im making new questions :3
because we now know the exact dimensions of the passive/active axis, i look at another possible axis, partially because it complicates it !!
PRAY I DONT COMPLICATE IT FURTHER /J
Worth noting that in the Discord after Vibri said that Hussie said that, they went on to refuse that message being pinned or highlighted and clarified that Hussie wasn't being serious, later seeming amused that people took an apparent "Hussie crashout" seriously.
assuming this is being sent in good faith, but i know that and was also using it to be silly X)
i mean, even kanayas comment about magical witches was a bit. homestuck is 90% bits by weight
like, yes the magic theory is really fun and it has made thinking about this new classpect system super exciting for me and i ABSOLUTELY intend on running with it (more posts coming!!!)
but also. it isnt all that serious?
IM serious. i think its true. but im hopebound, i think its true because it makes me smile, if that makes sense. thats kinda why i was more interested in making interesting reads of the characters and story with this theory than """finding evidence"'" for it
because the evidence is like 3 lines and all of them are jokes X)
THE CLASS SYSTEMS' THIRD AXIS: MAGIC.
Okay so. I've been losing my mind.
Hussie dropped this in the official Homestuck discord.
Pictured above is the class active/passive alignment chart, along with which classes are paired. As far as which classes are ADJACENT to each other(helpfully numbered 1 through 7), this is about what I had expected! Which ones are considered MORE or LESS active or passive through me for a bit of a loop, but honestly I can roll with those punches! TBH, having Witch be second most active to LORD is SUPER recontextualizing and pretty badass!
But like. you see the wrinkle here, right? Homestuck does love its symmetrical asymmetry, and as you can see Witch IS NOT paired with Heir(6) and Maid IS NOT paired with Sylph(1).
Instead they are:
Maid / Heir, which is cool. My take is something sort of similar to my "embodyment" class thoughts from years back, with maybe a common theme of having their aspect thrust upon them in different ways. Idk I'm still figuring them out!
and Sylph / Witch, the reconstruction classes. called it ;P
Back in the old days, before I found a certain Youtubers videos and changed all my classpecting theories forever, I paired Witch and Sylph together, and genuinely my MAIN source of evidence was this one line.
yes jade thats soooo awesome its true
Now, Kanaya later calls this a joke. Which is fair, its pretty silly, but it was said with those classes being a pair in mind!
So was this said to mean something deeper? I suppose it could be pointing towards something between "the more passive a class is the more magical or w/e" and "this is just a complete joke and only tells us that they are a pair" but neither of those spark joy for me. Why would she number the classes from most to least passive/active, starting in *the middle*, being entirely linear? You're telling me the deconstruction and reconstruction classes aren't *in dichotomy with each other or anything?* Why? Just to fuck with me specifically? perhaps
Here's another theory!
I could post a bunch of evidence. but honestly, the only real evidence is compiled in this shitpost i made based on Hussies words in the official Homestuck discord.
Homestuck has this ongoing gag based on how real or fake any given character finds magic, the earliest example of this being an extremely one sided feud between Eridan(5) and Rose(2). Homestuck ALSO likes to play with fake things becoming real things, so like. there's a lot going on there.
I might bring up some circumstantial evidence here and there, but The more interesting thing to do here I think is just paint a compelling picture of what this would even MEAN.
So. What is magic, or magicality? Especially in a world with gods and witches, where the world itself is predicated both on GAME logic, as well as a meta awareness of the ACTUAL medium it's in, a NARRATIVE WEBCOMIC? What's the difference, in a world like that, between a spell and a line of code?
So, in order for this to make any damn sense at all, I'm going to have to solidify some language for this post. POWERS =\= MAGIC. obviously, a Lord and a Muse(7) have some pretty crazy powers! the abilities provided to a Witch and Heir(6), the penultimate Most Active and Post Passive classes, clearly have some insane abilities over their aspect once they ascend to the god tiers.
The Witch and Heir classes are super interesting, because, while unpaired TECHNICALLY, their adjacency actually says a lot about the classes and how they interact with their aspect. We see this really early on with John and Jade, as our first two examples! While Johns affinity for being a MAGICIAN and the *name* of the WITCH class suggests magicality, neither of them really are very magically minded. the both of them are incredibly SCIENTIFICALLY minded, in contrast! Jade I probably don't need to do much convincing with, but the way John solves problems, like his game faq writing on the alchemy system, is very scientific method!
While Rose summons power from within to wreak havoc on her problems from arcane sources, John and Jade(6) are solving their problems by changing variables and learning what they can from them. Their knowledge comes from a very different place than Terezi or Sollux(2).
So that enforces that Eridan vs Rose Science vs Magic thing. The difference isn't having powers or not, its in approach and relationship.
Jade, the Witch(6) of Space, studies and works within the confines of her aspect, while to Kanaya, the Sylph(1) of Space, The aspect is a mythical thing, something that provides vague guidance and purpose. To John, Breath is wind, and he can change how the wind moves and change INTO wind, but to Jane, the Maid(1) of Life, her aspect is more an odd force that haunts her. When empowered by trickster mode, flowers uncontrollably sprout from the ground, and she has her own personal Life Devil haunting her existence in the form of the Condesce. To Aradia, the Maid of Time, Time is a force of nature which follows her, bringing death and voices of those long past... To Damara, Witch of Time, Time is an evil man. Which it is!
I think part of why this separation of Magic and Power even exists is because this world is made by Caliborn. Or at least, to his liking. The alpha timeline exists to prop up the existence of Lord English and to empower him to the point where Caliborn himself barely has to even do anything. He's already here!
When Caliborn and Alt!Calliope exert command of their aspect, they are acting as writers and artists, and in a comic, that's science! That is the actual structure of your actual world. Nothing magic about it!
Going down the list we can point out different example of this "magical thinking vs scientific thinking" as well as how the more magical classes have relationships with their aspects that seem more mythical and spooky, but that's my basic premise, and I've probably already used too many words to get to this point already!
However, you can kinda see a sliding scale between John and Jade, who use their aspects like blunt instruments at times, to how Pages and Knights(3) weaponize their aspects with a bit more finesse, to Mages and Seers(2)… well, they're fucking magic!!!! Their aspects speak to them in tongues and they devine meaning and power from them through the arcane.
And so THAT is how the sylph is a more magical witch. To a witch, remaking Space is velocity and mass, to a Sylph, Space is creation itself, and so remaking space has a lot more to do with preparing the universe for a new generation, and it has a lot more "devine purpose" stuff going on. Interesting, contrasting that with how pointless and empty Alt!Calliope describes being bound to the Space aspect, something that resonated with Jade a lot.
But yeah, I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to hear other peoples thoughts on this! is magic real? is magic theory real? im calling this magic theory that seems just about as good a name as anything else. THANKS FOR READING!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
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So I love magic theory, being that Homestuck is a story about stories, and most of all about why Homestuck is happening, how does authorship tie into that? Rose is notable for being very magic and very authorially inclined with her wizardfic, but most of the authorial characters are the least magic ones who use it as a tool to make the malleable and undefined become material. Magic almost seems somewhat void bound in that way (obviously this is conflating the systems with their shared themes but still). If magic exists in the dark spaces of stories, can authorship serve to cast more shadows than it reveals? Can authorship destroy more shadows it creates by introducing new ideas which magic can shelter behind?
This is maybe more of a philosophy of authorship question but it’s Homestuck so that’s basically the same thing as it’s themes and systems considering the everything about it imo.
Good shout on Rose being very author coded as well! I think it has a lot more to do with how esoteric their relationship with their aspect is. Think about how Rose sees her aspect, peering into the future, and how she describe Skaia as if it's some sort of watcher diety, rather than just a system in a game.
Compare this to Vriska. Her aspect is Light. Good fortune = Luck, and she ganks luck. Simple as can 8e!!!
Then, even more esoteric, to Aranea Light can mean just about anything she needs it to. Literal visibility and clarity, and something as vague as "potential". Power. I think Aranea powering up Jake has a lot of implic8ions here!
The "magic" axis has been on my mind since the first time I saw the new chart, I'm so glad someone put it into words.
As for the actual ask, would you say that your perception of what exactly active/passive mean has changed in light of the new info?
I made some joke about this confirming that active/passive is just about how much stuff they do when this came out. Active classes are more active participants, yada yada.
In reality, while I think that is. SLIGHTLY a factor now, moreso I think this still works within the "self serving vs group oriented" dichotomy we were working under before, although that binary has never really been all that binary and it still kinda isn't, at least in my opinion.
seeing people excited and reblogging my magic post REALLY makes me wanna make another one. if anybody has any thoughts or questions or just wants my takes on anything PLEASE feel free to send me asks :3
THE CLASS SYSTEMS' THIRD AXIS: MAGIC.
Okay so. I've been losing my mind.
Hussie dropped this in the official Homestuck discord.
Pictured above is the class active/passive alignment chart, along with which classes are paired. As far as which classes are ADJACENT to each other(helpfully numbered 1 through 7), this is about what I had expected! Which ones are considered MORE or LESS active or passive through me for a bit of a loop, but honestly I can roll with those punches! TBH, having Witch be second most active to LORD is SUPER recontextualizing and pretty badass!
But like. you see the wrinkle here, right? Homestuck does love its symmetrical asymmetry, and as you can see Witch IS NOT paired with Heir(6) and Maid IS NOT paired with Sylph(1).
Instead they are:
Maid / Heir, which is cool. My take is something sort of similar to my "embodyment" class thoughts from years back, with maybe a common theme of having their aspect thrust upon them in different ways. Idk I'm still figuring them out!
and Sylph / Witch, the reconstruction classes. called it ;P
Back in the old days, before I found a certain Youtubers videos and changed all my classpecting theories forever, I paired Witch and Sylph together, and genuinely my MAIN source of evidence was this one line.
yes jade thats soooo awesome its true
Now, Kanaya later calls this a joke. Which is fair, its pretty silly, but it was said with those classes being a pair in mind!
So was this said to mean something deeper? I suppose it could be pointing towards something between "the more passive a class is the more magical or w/e" and "this is just a complete joke and only tells us that they are a pair" but neither of those spark joy for me. Why would she number the classes from most to least passive/active, starting in *the middle*, being entirely linear? You're telling me the deconstruction and reconstruction classes aren't *in dichotomy with each other or anything?* Why? Just to fuck with me specifically? perhaps
Here's another theory!
I could post a bunch of evidence. but honestly, the only real evidence is compiled in this shitpost i made based on Hussies words in the official Homestuck discord.
Homestuck has this ongoing gag based on how real or fake any given character finds magic, the earliest example of this being an extremely one sided feud between Eridan(5) and Rose(2). Homestuck ALSO likes to play with fake things becoming real things, so like. there's a lot going on there.
I might bring up some circumstantial evidence here and there, but The more interesting thing to do here I think is just paint a compelling picture of what this would even MEAN.
So. What is magic, or magicality? Especially in a world with gods and witches, where the world itself is predicated both on GAME logic, as well as a meta awareness of the ACTUAL medium it's in, a NARRATIVE WEBCOMIC? What's the difference, in a world like that, between a spell and a line of code?
So, in order for this to make any damn sense at all, I'm going to have to solidify some language for this post. POWERS =\= MAGIC. obviously, a Lord and a Muse(7) have some pretty crazy powers! the abilities provided to a Witch and Heir(6), the penultimate Most Active and Post Passive classes, clearly have some insane abilities over their aspect once they ascend to the god tiers.
The Witch and Heir classes are super interesting, because, while unpaired TECHNICALLY, their adjacency actually says a lot about the classes and how they interact with their aspect. We see this really early on with John and Jade, as our first two examples! While Johns affinity for being a MAGICIAN and the *name* of the WITCH class suggests magicality, neither of them really are very magically minded. the both of them are incredibly SCIENTIFICALLY minded, in contrast! Jade I probably don't need to do much convincing with, but the way John solves problems, like his game faq writing on the alchemy system, is very scientific method!
While Rose summons power from within to wreak havoc on her problems from arcane sources, John and Jade(6) are solving their problems by changing variables and learning what they can from them. Their knowledge comes from a very different place than Terezi or Sollux(2).
So that enforces that Eridan vs Rose Science vs Magic thing. The difference isn't having powers or not, its in approach and relationship.
Jade, the Witch(6) of Space, studies and works within the confines of her aspect, while to Kanaya, the Sylph(1) of Space, The aspect is a mythical thing, something that provides vague guidance and purpose. To John, Breath is wind, and he can change how the wind moves and change INTO wind, but to Jane, the Maid(1) of Life, her aspect is more an odd force that haunts her. When empowered by trickster mode, flowers uncontrollably sprout from the ground, and she has her own personal Life Devil haunting her existence in the form of the Condesce. To Aradia, the Maid of Time, Time is a force of nature which follows her, bringing death and voices of those long past... To Damara, Witch of Time, Time is an evil man. Which it is!
I think part of why this separation of Magic and Power even exists is because this world is made by Caliborn. Or at least, to his liking. The alpha timeline exists to prop up the existence of Lord English and to empower him to the point where Caliborn himself barely has to even do anything. He's already here!
When Caliborn and Alt!Calliope exert command of their aspect, they are acting as writers and artists, and in a comic, that's science! That is the actual structure of your actual world. Nothing magic about it!
Going down the list we can point out different example of this "magical thinking vs scientific thinking" as well as how the more magical classes have relationships with their aspects that seem more mythical and spooky, but that's my basic premise, and I've probably already used too many words to get to this point already!
However, you can kinda see a sliding scale between John and Jade, who use their aspects like blunt instruments at times, to how Pages and Knights(3) weaponize their aspects with a bit more finesse, to Mages and Seers(2)… well, they're fucking magic!!!! Their aspects speak to them in tongues and they devine meaning and power from them through the arcane.
And so THAT is how the sylph is a more magical witch. To a witch, remaking Space is velocity and mass, to a Sylph, Space is creation itself, and so remaking space has a lot more to do with preparing the universe for a new generation, and it has a lot more "devine purpose" stuff going on. Interesting, contrasting that with how pointless and empty Alt!Calliope describes being bound to the Space aspect, something that resonated with Jade a lot.
But yeah, I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to hear other peoples thoughts on this! is magic real? is magic theory real? im calling this magic theory that seems just about as good a name as anything else. THANKS FOR READING!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
A SYLPH IS LIKE A MORE MAGICAL WITCH
happy pp month, here’s the best girl! the first slide is from a screencap redraw of the sma comic, and peach as the knight of rage was classpected by @thehopeymage :-)
omg this is so sick!!!! thank you so much!!! i actually cant get over how nice this looks ^u^ love her!!
also bringing this back because HOLY SHIT PRINCESS PEACH SHOWTIME PROVED ME SO CORRECT? USING STAGE PERSONAS AS A WAY TO EMPOWER HERSELF AND UTILIZING IT TO ACHIEVE HER GOALS (theatre is rage coded AS FUCK the aspect itself is a tragicomedy ref!!!!) like omfg. literally canonical Knight of Rage i cant stop winning
HEY OKAY SO ACTUALLY?
so like. i made this blog when i was 15 and basically changed ALL my classpecting theories, so i felt really unmotivated to make posts, BUT THIS NEW "OFFICIAL" CLASS STRUCTURE IS SO FUN TO PLAY WITH??? SO YEAH. IM THINKING IM BACK
to be TOTALLY clear: i think you should do whatever the fuck you want, and if a version of classpects in your head was more fun, KEEP DOING THAT. honestly, theres a lot of things about YouTuber and oomfie OptimisticDuelists theories on classes that I like A LOT MORE than this official one. so i encourage everyone to just do whats fun!!!
and to me? im having a LOT OF FUN THINKING ABOUT THIS NEW CLASS STRUCTURE. SO ILL BE WORKING OFF OF AND INTERPRETING THAT