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The Orville isn't a parody of Star Trek!
I think the confusion comes from the fact that it's made by Seth MacFarlane, who is known for comedies and parodies. And the fact that initial trailers for it made it seem like a parody.
But it's a sincere homage and a great science fiction show in its own right, albeit with more humor than Star Trek.
It's a wonderful show and I highly recommend you watch it.
Was there any kind of internal documents or notes on how the gambling games like Dabo or Tongo worked? Or were they always improvised?
None that I know of. I suspect the actors and maybe the props team might have come up with some vague notions of how the games were played, but if that happened, it happened on set, and I was usually locked in my office writing so I wasn't part of such conversations.
Ngl Isaac saying "And I feel so sad for all those people who have to live their lives without you" might be one of the most romantic things I have ever heard
I love Isaac’s character progression of stealing an Oscar speech in Identity to asking for Claire’s help with Charly’s eulogy in Domino to writing his own wedding vows in the finale.
Isaac I love you.
Claire and Isaac kisses, a gif set, cause I can't handle their cuteness
Claire: "You're saying You're better with me than without me?"
Isaac: "Affermitive, Doctor."
On the claim "Claire took advantage of Isaac."
So lately I’ve been coming across all kinds of people saying that either Claire took advantage of Isaac or that she was just ‘’projecting her delusions’’ on him. Which, okay, to give people credit, yes it might look that way on the surface (because yes, their relationship is nothing simple), but let me tell you why that claim is not only just painting a terrible picture of them, but in general just incorrect.
Alright let's go all the way back to the start, the shuttle crash, when Ty was really ill and they had no way of healing him down there on that planet without the equipment she had in sickbay. She was really upset and now logically he could have ignored that (standing still by that fact wouldn't help Ty nor give them a way to escape) Yet, Isaac reached for her hand. Giving her the sense of comfort she needed in that moment.
Now fast forward to their first date, yes he has no clue what he is doing, but it makes sense, he is a life form who has never experienced such a thing in his life. Now after their first date she tells him that she was reaching in the wrong direction CONFIRMING that she knew she was ''in the wrong'' /did have doubts (and not just "delusions") and again, logically (especially if he didn't want this one way or another) he could have stopped there, but no. He went to his friends for advice and found a way to be human for her so she could kiss him, the way she had requested. And, by the way, when she did, he literally said and I quote: ''If you wish you may kiss me again.'' All of this implies consent. Then, when they are broken up again, he starts making errors, again implying that he is distracted, he even says that his ''Internal programs function more efficiently'' as her partner and makes it rain on the dang bridge for her. There are so many instances where he literally goes out of his way to either fix a problem for her or mend their relationship. If she was taking advantage of him or being delusional, logically, why the heck would he be continuing?
Now one thing that is important to note here is that he is absolutely convinced he is incapable of love, yet proves through his actions multiple times that it is much more complex than that. For example when he saves Ty against all logic and the wishes of the Kaylon or when he is ready to give up all his memories so he can love Claire in a human way. Why would he do that, if this relationship with Claire wasn't important to him? He wanted to do it for her, he even stated that he would do this, because he wanted to be a better partner. Not to mention the time he k\*lled himself, because the crew hated him for what he and his species had done and it would basically be ''better that way'' in his mind.
Now let's expand on that moment, the moment where he felt ''emotions'' in a human way for the first time. What is especially interesting here, is that he needs no time to fall in love with Claire, nor find out that he loves her, he does, he knows it. Implying that somewhere deep down, it had always been there, because they could have easily made this a whole arc of him finding his way to her or falling in love with her, but no, they decided to show us that it was already there, but because he is Kaylon, it is a lot more complex. He doesn't know what love is as a Kaylon, because in the end he doesn't experience it the way a human would and frankly, wouldn't that be so incredibly confusing? Especially if you are surrounded by only humans. Maybe he was told they were incapable of love or any emotions, but it wasn't true. Remember the two parter in season 2? When one of the Kaylons even asked him if he was acting on remorse (or something along the lines of that). If the Kaylon cannot feel, why would they experience remorse? Maybe it was something just like the Vulcans in star trek, they suppressed it, acted like it wasn't there, because if they would really start feeling things, what would that mean for their actions? What they did and were doing? Which we see in Isaac when he turns against his own people, but hey, that’s just speculations (don’t come for me).
And for Claire’s ‘’delusions’’ that she is "forcing" on everyone, for example when he said (as mentioned before) that he would delete his memories for her, she answers ‘’Some people would call that love.’’ Is that really forcing ‘’emotions’’ on him or is that just speculation? Has she ever claimed that he is capable of love? No. Has she never admitted that she is wrong and maybe this is just a one way thing? Also no. She is just exploring what this is, just like he is, but yes there are countless occasions that show us that he loves her and she cannot deny that. Can we blame her for that?
Anyway, that was a long one, I think we can conclude that yes, it is a very layered and complex love story. I believe that Isaac, just like Data (with for example Tasha, who he grieved) is capable of love and that somewhere deep down he knows it too. Why does he refuse to acknowledge it? Who knows? Maybe we will find that out in the future or perhaps it is just in his nature (or programming), but it is there and I think this is a classic, showing but no telling story, where it is all shown in implications.
more people should watch the orville and more people who watch it should post about it methinks
The Orville: 1x1 Old Wounds
I’m showing my wife DS9 and we got to the season 3 opener, where the crew is behind the door on the changeling home world, and she asked “do the changelings know the Dominion is here doing this???” And I declined to answer.
When Kira went “youre part of the dominion aren’t you?” she went “shit!”
And female Changeling said “we ARE the dominion.” “Shit!”
“We are the Founders.” “SHIT!”
She was incredibly pleased of the development and did not see it coming. Thank you for the joy
Glad she was surprised and pleased!
When we came up with that twist, Ira, Pete, and I had planned to hold the reveal for a season or two. Then we pitched it to Michael and his response was basically: "No, that's too good to hold back. Let's do it for the opening of Season Three." Which is why it happens where it does.
Star Trek Voyager: The Voyager Conspiracy.
Chakotay: You didn't poison the coffee, did you?
Captain Janeway: Not any more than I usually do.
#StarTrek #Voyager
Was anyone gonna tell me the Orville takes itself 100% seriously after the first two episodes or was I suppose to find out theres genuinely good new Trek content out there myself?
1/22/26 stats for The Orville on Hulu:
#15 in the top 112 TV shows (⬆️8)
#11 in the top 73 drama shows (⬆️4)
#8 in the top 47 comedy shows (⬆️5)
#7 in the top 20 sci-fi shows (⬆️1)
Look, Look at me. I also hate family guy. I also used to hiss when I heard the name seth MacFarlane because I hate family guy and he is family guy.
The orville is not family guy.
The orville is not family guy in space.
The orville is a love note to star trek .
The orville is wholesome
The orville says the future is full of hope and love
The orville says trans kids matter
The orville says strong women
Yes there are silly jokes in the orville; it does not detract from the genuine sci-fi beauty this show is, but rather, adds to it.
The orville says people are complex and can carry all range of emotions from dramatic to comedic
Go watch the orville.
The Orville is truly different than anything else Seth MacFarlane had ever created. It’s a proper homage to Star Trek with strong characters of color, strong female characters, and tackles things like sexism, racism, and LGBTQ+ rights head on without shying away at the last minute like many other shows and films do.
If you enjoy sci-fi and are looking for a show with some hope for the future in these uncertain times, watch The Orville.
Look, Look at me. I also hate family guy. I also used to hiss when I heard the name seth MacFarlane because I hate family guy and he is family guy.
The orville is not family guy.
The orville is not family guy in space.
The orville is a love note to star trek .
The orville is wholesome
The orville says the future is full of hope and love
The orville says trans kids matter
The orville says strong women
Yes there are silly jokes in the orville; it does not detract from the genuine sci-fi beauty this show is, but rather, adds to it.
The orville says people are complex and can carry all range of emotions from dramatic to comedic
Go watch the orville.
I honestly now think that maybe Seth MacFarlane's entire career was just a long game to build enough trust in Hollywood to get to do his own version of Star Trek.
