for real tho it feels exhausting that ive seen this whole "woman should be allowed to abstain from X beauty standard" -> "i perform X beauty standard, am i evil? do you think im evil? please forgive me i came up with a dozen excuses 🥺" since like 2015 (and i know its been going on longer than that) like girl thats not the poiiiiint
look me in the eyes. repeat after me. "i face societal pressure to perform this beauty standard. i should not face that pressure. i conform to this standard. i am rewarded for performing to this standard. i need to respect women who do not perform this standard. this is not about whether or not i am a sinner for wearing makeup."
This is all true. But also, people are not acting irrationally when they respond defensively .
Getting called a sinner, or a scab or strikebreaker, or a collaborator, or being accused of breaking ranks or harming other women is pretty standard from the left. People policing ideological purity, people who resent anyone with more privilege, etc.
And they are also hammered from the right.
In fact, I can easily point to so many narratives where the villain is an aging woman trying to stay beautiful and/or retain power. Misogyny really does villainize women who try to conform to beauty standards unnaturally in order to maintain access to social standing.
There's an intuitive contempt for the intelligence and morality of beautiful women from both sides. I think of that painting of a naked woman looking in a mirror called Vanity, which judges the mafe up woman, not the painter, audiencevor social system.
Women who are older, fatter, or otherwise outside of the standard who took obvious steps are especially hard hit.
So it's really important to repeat. You are not a sinner.
And the system is hurting you and everyone else.
These are both true.
OK, here's the Real Important Thing: People who react defensively when posed with X topic and people who name-call in response are both acting irrationally (or selfishly, or stupidly, or childishly, take your pick), because they are derailing a discussion of systemic pressures to one that re-frames misogynistic beauty standards as a problem of personal responsibility, which misogynistic beauty standards are certainly not.
While it is enticing to believe that personal moral uprightness will one day uplift you from the lower realm of misogyny into a heaven free from unrealistic body standards, that's a fucking stupid idea and not how the real world works at all.
"Women being pressured to uphold X beauty standard" is not affected at all by whether or not you decide to do X on a personal level. It is simply a descriptor for how you have less social value if you don't.
To put it crudely, under misogynistic beauty standards, you can't "ugly" or "pretty" your way into "being valued while ugly". You can only "ugly" your way into "being less valued", and "pretty" your way into "being more valued". No amount of moving within a system will make you free of it.
People like to frame systemic issues as personal responsibilities, because personal responsibilities are small things that can be solved by the individual. It gives people the illusion of control (and someone to blame). However, systemic inequality is not addressed by sitting at home alone and letting your pubes grow. Neither is it addressed by saying mean shit to strangers for living under those same pressures as everyone else (crabs-in-a-bucket mentality). These are both bitch-ass measures that soothe the ego, but don't actually incite real change.
Systemic change is caused by challenging how you and other people perceive people under the systems of inequality, maintaining the active conversation about inequality, and addressing inequality through action. Things like making more people conscientious of biases in how you and other people are treated for not adhering to the established social rule, and speaking out to protect undervalued people in areas where you actually do have social power.
So when a conversation about systemic pressure (Ex:"Women should be allowed to abstain from shaving their legs") has dozens of responses of "I shave my legs🥺🥺🥺 am I a bad person? 🥺🥺🥺", that is dozens of people completely missing the point.
If instead of worrying about their own shaved legs, they spoke up the next time they heard someone without shaved legs get called "gross" or "lazy", maybe we might be getting somewhere.
When a topic like this has dozens of responses in the notes where people are like, "you see, you are actually a bad person," that is also a lot of people missing the point.
See this post's notes.
When someone responds to topics like this with, hey, "am I a bad person, I don't want to be a sinner", you can respond with, "no, this is a systemic issue. It's unjust to blame people who are trying to survive systems of inequality for the horrific conditions through which they try to survive. Your complicated relationship to [x thing] is part of a system and structure that harms everyone. Don't hate yourself, don't judge other people either, kill the cop in your head first."
When someone says, "yeah, you need to be better! I enjoy ensuring the left is morally pure and exporting guilt!" it's a bit more tricky to find a way to connect people with what is useful.
Systemic change begins to occur when we unlearn cultural patterns of guilt, harm, and extraction. As long as people are still playing king of the mountain, they are still enacting the same pattern-- same OS different skin.
We are all living in the system that hurts us. We all have to survive it. It is not irrational to respond to hurt in a way that protects yourself.
It is not irrational to want to be loved or likable--rather, it is one of the most basic human drives.
It is not irrational to seek power through shaming others for not conforming to your politics: that behavior is extensively modelled and hard to unlearn.
There are simply better, more effective ways to respond.
It's irrational to think you are genuinely going to free yourself of the dominant hegemonic system that is encoded into your language, culture, institutions, and science, without having to learn how to negotiate from within it. Hopeful, but irrational.
You really are stuck on my use of the word "irrational," huh? It might make sense to you, outside observer, that people are acting that way in response to these kinds of posts described by OP, but that doesnt mean they are responding rationally. An action being understandable or sympathetic and an action being irrational are not mutually exclusive.
When people are responding to something emotionally or by lashing out reflexively, are not motivated by reasoning and are not responding by addressing the current situation, their actions are irrational. Someone acting on habit or according to a practiced behavior without reflecting or reasoning is acting irrationally.
The line of thinking "this post made me feel guilty for X beauty standard and its OP's fault" is irrational. People who are clearly pulling in responses and rebuttals to the conversations they wish they were having instead of the one they are actually having with OP up there, are also not thinking clearly about what they are doing and who they are actually talking to. Having war flashbacks to back when you were in the online trenches arguing about shaving your pits is not rational thinking.
Again, this is a post about post responses. Not an actual example of the post being described. People are acting like it is the latter and turning themselves into examples of the people criticized of their own volition. If you think these replies aren't irrational, then I guess rationality is now a civil partner to the poorest of reading comprehension.
IMO telling people they being irrational is an important part of this. It is easy to have a hostile gut reaction and assume there is a reasoned truth behind your response, when the reality is you felt hurt and lashed out at someone, like a child. Actions like that are understandable, but not rational and dont need to be validated by others. A grown ass person's responsibility for emotionally regulating themselves does not need to be turned into a community issue.
It might help you contextually to understand that I am actually responding to the notes, and I even tagged some responses in the notes to say I had reblogged. So I am talking to people in the notes, which is unusual for Tumblr.
My point here is to re-emphasize a key portion of OP's message -- that no one here is a sinner and that the reflex towarrds judgement or cruelty is counterproductive and re-enacts the same system you are protesting.
We have strongly different ideas of the word rational and it's uses. That's ok. My background with disability justice and neuroethics and mind-focused misogyny makes the word strongly suspect anyway. I am also spending a lot more time with feminist care ethics than many people, which means we're gonna have different beliefs about our responsibility to others.
I feel like the crux of our disagreement is that I am emphasizing that no one is a Sinner or a Bad Person or worthy of being verbally abused or insulted because of their acculurated esponse to a system that hurts them. Such ideas, which the notes are full of, are equally or even more of a problem than defensive responses.
That includes people shaped by misogyny and Anglo protestant culture to feel guilt/ shame/fear/devaluation if everyone doesn't like them all the time, a factor connected to why nakeup feels compulsive. More guilt, more insults, more justified contempt and dismissal, is more enacting the patriarchy.
The problem of contempt coming from both sides reveals contempt as part of the system of control.
And your rhetoric seems to sometimes enact insults or contempt as simply part of how we do business. The line about rationality and poor reading comprehension is very very clever, by the way. It's a zinger.
So I am not actually disagreeing about a lot of substantial topics you bring up. I agree that someone experiencing a trauma trigger is not in a good place to discuss or rethink things.
I am trying to show another underlying systemic force that works along with devaluation based on looks, which is the larger concern of devaluation.
This keeps people locked in place.
If someone on the right could take a post or comment and say "you're right! Women are sooo irrational and dumb! They always are so fucking vain, and it's totally their own fault for trying so hard. They should just wise up, the dumb bitches. That's why they need men to tell them what to do, that's why I feel justified in feeling superior etc"
Then has that post or comment done a feminism, or has it reinscribed masculine standards for respect and longstanding contempt?
Looking for ways to continue feeling self righteous contempt is as counterproductive as looking for ways to continue feeling safe, because it's the same thing.
let's actually rethink the systemic and socioculturally determined oppression within which we exist instead.
Feel free to do that on your own. If you think that the good thing to do is to recruit people to do that for others, go ahead. You don't have to try to convince me to do the same, because I don't, and I won't. Also, I don't represent anyone besides me, so you don't have to pull references from any sides to explain what tone or position you think I'm supposed to have. Hell, you even don't know my personal stance on feminism, or makeup, or shaving pubes, and you never will. If you feel particularly sore about irrational responses being called "irrational," because it's (presumably) women I'm speaking to, my tone reads as masculine, and those elements combined turns it into a misogynistic trigger word for you, that seems like something you need to figure out for yourself. I explained to you as clearly as I could why I said "irrational", and my use of it still makes sense to me. I'm not going to go farther to convince you to be comfortable with my word choice. You can have your opinion, and I can disagree. Also, I may have spoken inconsistently, but I don't think I actually told anyone they are "irrational," but wrote specifically "having irrational feelings," "irrational actions," or "behaving irrationally," avoiding actually assigning "irrationality" as a trait to the person I was speaking to (like "sinner"). I don't know if the distinction matters to you, but it does to me. I'm not someone who needs to be coached from a mindset of believing that people are sinners or otherwise immutably flawed due to their character or demographic. Thinking I am means making a lot of assumptions about me and my beliefs. I don't think its stigmatizing to hold grown people up to standards that they are capable of. The person I made the original reply to was able to see how they (no pronouns in bio) were falling into acting exactly like the kind of person being talked about by OP after further conversation with OP. Also, the person who I responded to was not reacting to a trauma trigger but was being reflective and conversational. People like that can handle being checked a little if they acting foolish. Saying that people's feelings from what they are projecting onto OP's post are not OP's fault isn't unreasonable. Saying that they don't have to take so much personal stock into feelings of guilt, that the feeling of guilt in response to hearing that they are following an unfair social pressure is just a reflexive irrational tick in their lizard brain, isn't unreasonable. Feelings happen, and they shouldn't always guide your behavior. Feel them, and move on. Maybe if people weren't so afraid of feeling shame (or being disagreed with), it wouldn't be so easy to use shame to control them.













