Typing is hard

If typing feels easy you are probably doing it wrong.

[typingispainintheass]

Hiya! I've got a tiny typing problem and I figured I'd ask you. c: I've been into socionics for a few months now and I'm sure I'm SEE, but the MBTI ESFP doesn't speak to me at all. I actually identify a lot with ENTJ and seem to mainly value the MBTI Te. Is that even possible or am I just confused? Thanks in advance. <3

MBTI and Socionics are not the same system, so whatever you type as in MBTI has no influence in your Socionics typing. My advice would be to throw the knowledge about MBTI out of the window and start typing yourself in Socionics from a clean slate. Also, start with the Quadra values and work your way towards a more specific type from there.

[typingispainintheass]

Stereotypical Deltas

LSE

Stable, industrious businessman. Owns a grocery store chain, and probably supports a few indie film studios. Looks tough, is fluff.

EII

Soft, kind-hearted idealist. Wishes for world peace to happen and truly means it. Enjoys harmony, stableness and quiet wonder in life.

SLI

Toned down, stable realist. Good at making his immediate surroundings function. Probably knows how to fix your car, and could build themselves a house if they wanted to.

IEE

Creative sweetheart. Sees wonder everywhere. Wishes peace and love to others. Believes in you and your growth towards being a better person.

[typingispainintheass]

Quadra progression

Alpha: Childhood

Focus on light-heartedness, happiness, discovery and goofiness.

Beta: Teenage years

Focus on power structures, dramatic self-expression, us vs. others -mentality, rowdiness

Gamma: Adulthood

Focus on profitability, stable attitudes and relations, realism, winning and losing.

Delta: Old age

Focus on small wonders in life, harmony, making the best out of what you already have.

[victoirerom]

esfp, intp, istj, infj, estp.

[typingispainintheass]

.....Dude, these are Socionics types made by a russian artist.

In the first pic there’s SEE ILI, the second LSI, ILI and EIE, third EII and ILI, fourth ILI, LSI, IEI and ? (pic too tiny, can’t see), fifth ESI, ILI, LIE and SEE, sixth ILI and SEE, seventh Gamma vs. Alpha, eighth ILI and SEE, and the last one ILI.

Peace.

[typingispainintheass]

Can you explain to me the theory of DCNH,please? I don't really understand it.

The theory suggests that you focus more on one IME pair than what is typical for your type.

Dominants focus more on extroverted judging aka Fe and Te. This brings forth leader -like qualities.

Creatives focus more on extroverted percieving aka Ne and Se. This brings forth, well, creative behavior.

Normalizers focus more on introverted judging aka Ti and Fi. The person of this subtype is often a rulekeeper in their environment.

Harmonizers focus more on introverted percieving aka Si and Ni. People of this subtype tend to smoothen things out in their environment.

Some copy paste from Gulenko, the maker of the system:

Fe: Strengthening function forms demonstrative-artistic behavior. Corresponds to primary domination through emotional pressure, the skill to inspire or frighten. Primary domination in animals is connected to bright colors, cries, expressive mimicry and gestures.

Te: Strengthening function forms the lingering behavior. This method of domination is secondary. This is the business leader, who persistently and emphatically gets his own way.

Se: Strengthening function forms excitable behavior. This treats creativity as primary and instinctive. It gives nonstandard, rapid solutions during extreme, critical (for survival) situations.

Ne: Strengthening function forms affective-labile behavior. This is secondary creativity, connected to intellectual fantasy, nonstandard ideas, directed not towards output based on dead-end situations, but to the solutions of future problems.

Fi: Strengthening function gives alarming-over-anxious behavior. This is the primary-axis setting, which does not require formal commitment to traditional rules.

Ti: Strengthening function eads to the formation of formal-pedantic behavior. It is secondary in nature in response to the satisfaction of common group needs. It is based on regulation, instruction and official laws.

Si: Strengthening function is responsible for the formation of asthenoneurotic behavior. This is primary, vital harmonization, connected to the value of solid comfort.

Ni: Strengthening function forms shut-off, self-submerged, up to autistic behavior. This is secondary harmonization in terms of a spiritual-mental plan.

Read more here

[typingispainintheass]

Stereotypical Gammas

SEE

Badass idiot. Charming, loyal friend and a ball of action fueled by strong moral core. Bad habit of doing before thinking. Your standard hero in everything ever.

ILI

Stonefaced, sarcastic intellectual. Probably thinks you are wrong, and likes to inform you about it. Is married to research (in their daydreams a SEE).

ESI

Tsundere. Grumpy cat. Probably hates you and judges you silently from afar. The most loyal friend you could ever dream of if you manage to get on their good side.

LIE

Industrious businessman. Earns more money than you. Workaholic and sees no problem with this. Likes people who say things as they are.

[typingispainintheass]

MBTI and Socionics are not the same, part 937975

In Finnish "kani" means a rabbit. In Japanese the same word means a crab. Both languages observe the same reality, the letters of the words are the same, but still the definitions of what those letters mean are completely different.

Does this make one language system better than the other? No. But the importance of making sure which language (=typology system) you are talking about is pretty damn huge.

[ichijikanme]

Using MBTI to explain Socionics or the opposite is like trying to mix olive oil and balsamic vinegar. Put both in a bottle and shake all you like, but they will never mix into a singular homogeneous mixture. They just don’t work that way. The core elements that make up vinegar cannot mix with the core elements that make up oil. The same can be said with Socionics and MBTI. One cannot be used to explain the other because the core elements and the way they are arranged are different. However, does that mean the two cannot be used together at all? No.

Olive oil and balsamic vinegar taste amazing on bread. In the same sense, both MBTI and Socionics can be used to seek greater understanding of a person and others as they both give different insight. Sure, you cannot mix the two into one, but they still can be used together. Some people don’t prefer the olive oil (MBTI). Others don’t prefer the vinegar (Socionics). Some people prefer adding herbs (Enneagram, etc) to flavor the dressing. Some don’t prefer any dressing. There is no right or wrong way to eat bread. And in the same sense, there is no right or wrong method or methods of achieving greater understanding of the self and others.

[ichijikanme]

Socionics ≠ MBTI

The difficult thing about using Socionics to explain MBTI and the opposite is because these two theories, though similar at first glance and both accomplish the same things, are very different in structure and internal definition. Am I saying that one is better than the other? No. However using one to explain the other is not possible because they both are different. The difference between MBTI and Socionics is like the differences between English and French. Yes, both have similar roots stemming from Latin, but English has other influences too. English and French cannot be compared in the same way as French and Italian because both are too different. They both are methods of communication. They both have the same purpose. They are similar, but not the same. English is not French in the same way that Socionics is not MBTI.

When you use one thing to explain another thing, the two must be equal, or at least have the same baseline. When you look closely at Socionics, it is vastly different from MBTI. It takes into account shadow functions. Even the definitions of cognitive functions, the building blocks of each theory, are different. Socionics cannot give you “extra insight” into MBTI when the logic governing each theory is different.

Now when I say this, I’m not saying that Socionics is bad. Nor am I saying MBTI is. You can study both and believe one is right over the other. But using one to explain the other will inevitably lead to problems. It’s like trying to teach a Japanese person English by lecturing them on the structure of the French language. There are similarities, yes, but there are many differences too. Along the same note, you cannot speak French to an English speaking person and possibly hope they’ll understand you. Perhaps because you can speak both languages, you can see how they both relate to each other. However, “similar” will never equate to “same.”

[typingispainintheass]

LII’s take on what L (Ti) feels like

[orientalld]

Бетанские дуалы

[typingispainintheass]

SLE, IEI, LSI, EIE

[typingispainintheass]

Model A

Source: WSS

[typingispainintheass]

Do you have any good sources for learning about Socionics? Specifically IEI? I've looked in several places but it seems they just repeat the same thing over and over. They don't go any deeper. Thanks! (Also, I LOVED your post of INFJ being a sweety in MBTI and IEI being a freako, LOL!)

Best overall source of Socionics I’ve found so far: (x)

Semi brief introduction to Socionics: (x)

Some IEI links: (x), (x), (x)

[typingispainintheass]

INFJ in MBTI

IEI in Socionics

[typingispainintheass]

Stop treating MBTI and Socionics as the same system 2k16

[typingispainintheass]

I don't understand why SEI is alpha??

All Alpha types value Si blocked with Fe and Ti blocked with Ne.

SEIs have Si and Fe in their Ego block (place of strong and valued elements of the psyche) and Ti and Ne in their Super-ID block (place of weak and valued elements of the psyche) in Model A. Therefore they are Alphas. :’)

[typingispainintheass]

Stereotypical Betas

SLE

Confrontational badasses who fancy themselves as superheroes/villains. Veni, vidi vici -mentality. Might come off as assholes without really meaning it. Hurt their friends, end up dead.

IEI

Can diss you to oblivion and still come off as adorable. Uncanny ability to get along with everybody but enjoys confrontational, stormy people.

LSI

They think they’re always right. Tells you what to do, when to do and how to do it. Your typical policeman/soldier. Surprisingly accepting of loud, dramatic atmospheres.

EIE

Drama queen/king, probably emo/scene as a teen. Enjoys conflict and rowdiness. Is capable of making you laugh or cry on command. Passionate as hell. Often crazy artist or a politician.