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You know what? Forget the discourse. This is no longer my hill to die on.
You wanna ship canonically aspec characters because “aro/ace people can still date/have sex”? Okay, then. LET’S DO IT. I wanna see an aromantic character with an alloromantic love interest. I wanna see that confession of undying love and the moment when the aro character says they will never feel the same way—not romantically.
I wanna see the asexual character with their allosexual partner. I wanna see that moment when the ace characters tries sex with their partner for the first time because they want to make them happy only to realize that they are 100% sex repulsed.
I wanna see the two demiromantics who don’t even know if what they feel is romantic attraction, but they adore each other and just want to make healthy snacks together and destroy each other at Mario Kart.
I wanna see the two aces who love sensual affection and are figuring out what they define as sexual or not.
I wanna see the romance + sex neutral aroace who happily and consensually does whatever makes their partner happy…but their partner still struggles with feeling undesired.
Oh, babe. You thought shipping an aspec character would be just like shipping an allo character?
UPDATE: Okay, wow. I had no idea this post was gonna blow up like this. 😂 Like THIS MANY people want these kinds of stories too? I'm shook.
So, uh...*pulls collar nervously* I actually publish stories like this? I'm the author of a YA horror-fantasy series called The Stormwatch Diaries. Long story short, I'm republishing the first three books to fully explore my main characters' asexuality and aromanticism.
So if you're looking for an aspec relationship dynamic that involves:
Being in love with your best friend
It's mutual
You're both ace
And aro? Demiromantic?? Qoiromantic??? WHO KNOWS
You're a bonded pair and cannot be adopted separately
Oh, and there's graveyard cuddle time
Then maybe *sweats*...maybe you'd like to check out my first book Legend of the Storm Sneezer, which is coming out on Asexual Visibility Day next year? (April 6th, 2026.)
this is going to be a sizzling hot take but alloromantic queers can mention someone’s queerness without feeding into relationship hierarchy and amatonormativity
you can mention that sappho was obviously wlw without your reasoning being “friends don’t say that to friends!!” you can mention that khnumhotep and niankhkhnum were likely lovers without saying that friendships are inherently not as intimate as romantic relationships. you can say that you think this writer was queer without saying that people can’t care for friends that way or that only lovers would die for each other.
because when you do that shit, it fucking hurts aromantics. it feeds into the already pervasive narrative that we can’t ever care for anyone, that any love that we might feel isn’t nearly as meaningful even if we pour our heart and soul into it, that we can’t possibly be “just friends” with this person.
guess what? friendships matter! friendships exist, in a shit ton of different forms that’s far more different today than it was before, and us pointing this out is not the same thing as straight homophobes erasing gay people and relationships.
(also imagine how many “straight” relationships in history might actually have been close friendships but we don’t talk about that part of heteronormativity for some reason huh.)
want to point out that this person was clearly in love with his so-called “best friend”? okay. instead of diminishing friendships and saying that this relationship was “clearly more intimate than any friendship could ever be” you can just say that the relationship is very much in line with typical heterosexual relationships. and if a homophobe chooses not to care, that’s not an excuse to employ narratives that are amatonormative as hell.
THANK YOU.
I know this post is about historical figures, but I want to say that this is also a hugely pervasive thing in fandom.
There is nothing wrong with shipping fictional characters together romantically, but please try not to back it up by pointing out literally every positive interaction they have and insisting that "friends would never do this!"
Especially when it's stuff like openly saying how much they care for each other, or being there for each other during a crisis, or risking their lives for each other. Like, way to tell every aro person reading that "you will never have/be worthy of this."
I'm not saying you have to only have queerplatonic headcanons from now on. Or that you're not allowed to interpret certain interactions between characters who are canonically platonic friends as actually being romantic.
Just don't claim that said actions are inherently romantic, or that people in a platonic relationship would be incapable of showing that level of affection. Aka, don't be arophobic.
“Way to tell every aro person reading that ‘you will never have/be worthy of this.”
THANK YOU. you put it into words.
might i add that it’s not even limited to aromantics. currently single people; people that have had bad breakups; people who have been cheated on, abused by romantic partners; even some people struggling with unrequited love. imagine telling them that they aren’t worthy of someone being there for them in crisis or someone just really caring about them just because they aren’t in a relationship or because they have been taken advantage of. that narrative is the exact reason why so many of us feel that we’re unlovable or that something is wrong with us just because romance hasn’t gone our way. it’s so shitty.
I think the biggest disadvantage of aro spaces online (and queer spaces in general) is how American(/English) everything is. I know a lot of aros, me included, can’t fully talk about what love is to them, because the word “love” means something different in their native language. Some of us have different sets of words to express different kinds of affection. I know a lot of aros would want to identify as “loveless”, but find it hard to integrate it in their own language. I know some aros can’t relate to a lot of the experiences people have with amatonormativity and arophobia, because romance and relationships are handled differently where they live.
Your struggles don’t go unseen, you’re not alone <3
After seeing some posts about the english language centered nature of the online aro (and lgbtq+ communities as whole but thats not relavant atm) kinda cleared up parts of why, even though the loveless aro indentity probably *could* apply to me, i still feel too much of an disconnect there simply due to the fact that english isent my first language and the concept of "love" functions quite differently in it compared to english. (and for the excat same reason lovequeer also wouldent feel right for me even if i alinged more closely to it)
Like idk why but before i felt a bit of internal conflict about it cause i wondered if it was some kind internalized arophobia going on or what that just made me feel so eh about something that should connect in theory but just dident. But actually yeah, it makes sense that it would be a cultural/language thing.
Anyway this just a bit of rambly introspection but it helps to be able to put a clear word to it and see that mabey im not the only one that feels that way.
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Fandoms reaction to canon aroace characters and the mere "idea" of not erasing their identity trough shipping really do come uncomfortably close to mirrioring the entitlement allos react with towards aspecs irl.
"just friends" implies the existence of unjust friends
This friendship is wrong and unjust, I will be taking the cat. Goodbye <3
okay, i’m finally getting around to writing this, and uhh ill say its for aro week too. this is written as an aro person directed at alloromantic people. when i refer to writing, i’m kind of using it as a general term for creative works. Here’s me throwing my hat in on the question:
Can you ship aromantic characters?
and my answer is,,,,, actually a question. Why do you want to ship aromantic characters?
I want alloros to realize that for a lot of aros, we do not get to see ourselves represented often. I can actually count on like one hand how many popular canon aro characters there are, and on the whole, none of their identities are respected. people constantly try to weasel their way out of actually writing aro characters, or they just ignore or deny their identity outright. fandom spaces (hell creative spaces in general) are at best not welcoming to aros, and at worst actively hostile towards us. So when the first question brought up when a character gets canonically confirmed as aro is “okay cool but can i ship them???” or “that’s nice but how can i still write about my fave ship that involves them??” i want to fucking scream. its a slap to the face and it shows that people really do not give a shit about aros. you say stuff like that and all i hear is “my fictional ship is so much more important than representing your marginalized minority identity” so instead of me just sitting here and saying “yes you can totally ship aro characters, as long as you’re respectful!!!” i’m saying “can you stop and think why you want to shove an aro character into a romantic relationship at the first chance you get?? maybe you have some arophobia you haven’t worked on?? maybe since we live in an amatonormative world, you’re letting that influence your views??” because that question being the first thing out of your mouth when you see a character you like confirmed as aro? that’s already disrespectful towards aros in my book.
So back to my question, Why do you want to ship aromantic characters? is it because you can’t write characters without them being in romantic relationships? or because you think a character without a romantic relationship is boring? Because if so, that’s a bad reason and it sounds like amatonormativity is rotting your brain.
Is it because you just really like a ship with the aro character? Because you can write two characters with a strong relationship without writing them as a couple. A strong friendship can hold just as much power as a romantic relationship.
Is it because fuck aros, i will write what I wanna write and I don’t wanna write this character with their canon identity? because then you’re just an arophobic asshole that needs to work on your shitty opinions. aro representation is just as important as any other lgbtqia+ representation.
Now if you’re reading this and thinking “well i heard aros can be in queerplatonic relationships!” I want you to think for a second. Are you writing a qpr or are you writing a romantic relationship with the serial numbers filed off? Have you talked to aro people or read stuff actually written by us? because, yes, some qprs can look a lot like a romantic relationship from the outside, but that’s just it, you’re looking at it from the outside. qprs are more than just “romantic relationship with extra steps”, and i think it’s really telling how many times i see alloromantic people saying they’re depicting an aro character in a qpr, not a romantic relationship, but then they never ever make any effort to distinguish the qpr from any other romantic relationship they write or draw. It just feels like qprs are getting used by alloros as a gatcha any time an aro person objects to how they depict (or don’t depict) aromanticism. if you want to write a character in a qpr then go for it! but you need to actually do research, talk to aros, get multiple opinions and not just take the first opinion that agrees with you and run with it.
“But what about headcanoning a character as arospec?” now i will say before i go into this, i am aro, not arospec, so if an arospec person wants to come in and correct me at any part here im happy to listen. but my problem when alloros bring up arospec identities is a very similar problem to how qprs are often depicted. I remember when Peridot Stevenuniverse got confirmed aro (she did, do not argue this with me) people were jumping over themselves to assure everyone that “a character getting confirmed as aro just means they are any arospec identity” which,, uhh,, not true? i mean if an arospec person wants to see a canon aro character as, say, aroflux, i’ve got no problem, aro and arospec people can do what they want really. but, i do have a problem with all the alloro fans who were spreading this. because, do you really see the character as demiromantic? or are you using that identity to deflect criticism from erasing aro identities? are you actually trying to write a good depiction of a demiro person? or are you just writing normal ship stuff and slapping a “uwu ive never felt romantic attraction until i met you! and now i will act exactly like any alloromantic person!” at the beginning? being in fandom spaces, i do see the occasional fic actually depicting an aspec identity (i say aspec her because aro is so rare that most of these examples i’ve seen have been acespec identities rather than arospec) but like 99% of the time, that’s written by someone who actually shares the identity. before you use our terms and identities to cover your ass when you erase us, consider not fucking doing that. consider listening to all aros and getting our thoughts and input.
And last here is “but what about romance positive aros?” now i think most of what i’ve said previously can be applied here. the only thing i wanna add is, i think its very interesting that almost every time i see non aros depict aros, they always write them as very into romance, very open to be in romantic relationships, and very quiet about their aro identity. despite the character in canon not showing any of these traits. romance positive aros are good and important, but not every aro is romance positive. there’s quite a few of us that are romance repulsed, and alloros only depicting aros as super romance positive no matter what is suspicious to say the least. if an aro character is shown to be open to participating in romantic activities in canon then of course write them that way. but if an aro character is shown to be uninterested in, or even actively against romantic activities then respect that too.
so, to wrap up my thoughts in this ramble: please ask yourself why you want to ship aro characters so bad, because if the only reason is that amatonormativity has brainwashed you into not being able to write, or draw, or do anything with a character without them being in a romantic relationship, then you uhhh need to work on that, that’s honestly a writing/creative flaw imo. if you like the relationship dynamic between an aro character and another character, consider making them friends. friendship is not less powerful than romantic relationships. nobody is ever too old for the power of friendship trope. If you’re erasing an aro character’s identity because fuck aros, then fuck off somewhere far away from me and work on your bullshit. qprs, arospec identities, and romance positive aros are all very real, very important parts of the aro community, but please talk to other aros about them and actually make an effort to understand how these things work, dont just assume. And also don’t use these things as a way to erase aro identities and cover your ass if get called out. its disrespectful towards all aros.
The most important thing to do before writing or creating work with aro characters is to talk to aros, and not just the aros that agree with you. look up what a qpr actually is, learn how aros experience their arospec identities, talk to aros with multiple outlooks on romance. and if you can’t bring yourself to reach out, at least read through our own writings, whether that’s fiction, or informational posts, fuck, look through our memes if u wanna. Just please actually make an effort.
So, Can you ship aro characters? its complicated. look at trends in your fandom, question why you want to, and do research. Be an aro ally, listen to us. That’s really the most important thing.
Following up as a little addition from my last post is that the funny thing is that i myself have a complicated relationship when it comes to alterous attraction and vacillitating between being averse/repulsed. Which while isent the same as wanting much to do with romance (for me personally at least) and what not does blur the lines a little sometimes regarding things like partnerships and whenerver or not i wanna be "single" all the time. And like everytime i feel pressure from allos to humanize myself to them trough liking ~love~ it just makes me feel way more alienated and i just want to double down way more and say ✨no✨ <3. Heh.
Im too tired to really go too into depth on this, but regarding the whole yelena belova discussion i will say this:
Like yes aspec people can have a wide variety of relationships, including romantic/sexual ones.
But just the erasure of the aroace parts is galling enought, its also pretty noticable when its aspec people experimenting with many different ways of being apsec vs allos trying to excuse erasure, like even when said aspec characters have romantic/sexual relationships those experinces are not gonna be excately the same as an allos
But another thing about using those kinds of arguments for shipping (most notably for those allos who still claim to be "allies")
Is that when there are canon aroace characters (which there are very few off) or aro characters (even fewer) comes out and a large portion of the fandom is shipping content or just like... Immediately jumps onto shipping and defends it whelmently, and also ecspecially that when said character shows disintrest/aversion towards dating and/or relationships in canon, it sends the implication that repulsed/averse aspec experinces are somehow less whort showing and telling than other queer ones, that we cant have *just* as deep and meaningful lives. It dosent matter if that isent intentional, it *is* what it comes across.
We allready struggle so much with feeling alienated in just about every space so that really *sucks*. Canon aroace erasure is such a huge issue to begin with ugh.
The bane of my existance is def trying to write emails to various school admistration and trying to balance being formal with being clear with what help i need while desperately trying not to come across as accidentally rude cause i have barely existant social skills and even worse writing skills.
Engaging with society is so fk exhausting!!! I hate it
(dont mind me just venting about how so many fk systems from school to seeking mental health care is a nightmare to keep track off or engage properly when adhd makes that a pain and a half and depression/wtf else is up in the bad brain soup makes sure that just writing an email drains all mental energy i had for that day :)))). I. want. To. Cry!!! Probably on the floor somewhere!!)
Sometimes the online nd community has the tendency to create this scenario off "if you dont experince this specefic symptom in this specefic way your nt" and it *really* isent great for handeling impostor syndrom at all, even when u check off on all the symptons thats typically associated (and many others not mentioned as much as well) and have been diagnosed.
Y'know, whenever people want to talk about why aspec people 'count' as an oppressed identity, they tend to go for the big stuff like corrective rape and conversion therapy. And like, we should absolutely talk about that stuff. Obviously those things are terrible and important and we need to raise awareness and deal with them.
But I feel like people often gloss over how… quietly traumatising it is to grow up being told that there is only one way to be happy— and that everybody who doesn't conform to that norm is secretly miserable and just doesn't know it— and then to gradually realise that, for reasons that you cannot help, that is never going to happen for you.
You're not going to find a prince/princess and ride off into the sunset. Or if you do, then it's not going to look exactly the way it does in fairytales. You're not going to get a 'normal' relationship, because you are not 'normal', and everybody and everything around you keeps telling you that that's bad.
You see films where characters are presented as being financially stable, genuinely passionate about their work and surrounded by friends and family, but then spend the rest of the plot realising that the real thing they needed was a (romantic and sexual) partner, to make them 'complete'.
You absorb the idea that any relationships you have with allo people will ultimately be unfulfilling on their side, and that this will be your fault (even if you discussed things with your partner beforehand and they decided that they were a-okay with having those sorts of boundaries in a relationship) unless you deliberately force yourself into situations that you aren't comfortable with, so as to make uo for your 'defects'.
You grow up feeling lowkey gaslighted because all the adults in your life (even in LGBT+ spaces. In fact especially in LGBT+ spaces) are insisting that it's totally normal to not be attracted to anybody at your age, and then you go to school and everybody keeps pressuring you to name somebody you're attracted to because they can't imagine not being attracted to anybody at your age.
And then you get older and realise that one day you're going to be expected to leave home, and that one day all your friends are going to be expected to put aside other relationships and 'settle down' with a primary partner and you don't know what you're going to do after that because you straight up don't have a roadmap for what a 'happy ending' looks like for someone like you.
(And the LGBT+ community is little help, because so many people in there are more than happy to tell you that you're not oppressed at all. That you're like this because you don't want to have sex, and/or you don't want to have any relationships, that your orientation is some sort of choice you made— like not eating bananas— rather than an intrinsic part of you that a lot of us have at some point tried to wish away.)
Even if you're grey or demi, and do experience those feelings, you still have to deal with the fact that you're not experiencing them the 'normal' way and that that's going to effect your relationships and your ability to find one in the first place.
If you're aiming for lifelong singlehood (which is valid af) or looking for a qpp, then you're going to have to spend the rest of your life either letting people make wrong assumptions about your situation (at best that your relationship is of a different nature than it actually is, at worst that the life you've chosen is really just a consolation prize because you 'failed' at finding a romantic/sexual partner) or pulling out a powerpoint and several webpages every time you want to explain it.
This what being aspec looks like for most people, and it is constantly minimised as being unimportant and not worth fighting against— even in aspec spaces— because we've all on some level absorbed the idea that oppression is only worth fighting against if it's big, and dramatic, and immediately obvious. That all the little incidents of suffering that we experience on a daily basis are not enough to be worth bothering about.
I mean, who gives a shit if you feel broken, inherently toxic as a partner, and like you're going to be denied happiness because of your orientation? Shouldn't we all just shut up and thank our lucky stars we don't have to deal with all the stuff some of the other letters in the acronym have to put up with (leaving aside the fact that there are many aspec people who identify with more than one letter)?
So you know what? If you're aspec and you relate to anything I've said above (or can think of other things relating your your aspec-ness that I haven't mentioned) then this is me telling you now that it's enough. Even if we got rid of all the big stuff (which we're unlikely to do any time soon because— Shock! Horror!— the big stuff is actually connected to all the small stuff) we would still be unable to consider our fight 'over' because what you are experiencing is not 'basically okay' and something we should just be expected to 'put up with'.
No matter what anybody tells you, we have the right to demand more from life than this.
I am honestly getting real tired with alloaces using anything within the words "stereotype" or "harmfull" when talking about aroace characters. Like can you fk not, describe a real part off the community, full off real actual human beings that has exist just like you, as a "harmfull stereotype". How would you feel if i started to call the next ace character a stereotype huh? I mean its certianly what a lot off alloaces would want since they try so hard to erase aroaces aro part every single time a character is confirmed aroace
Its pretty wierd when non-averse/repulsed aspecs talk about how seperate aversion/repulsion is experinced with other aspecs. Like really, repulsed aroace here, i definentely can say that i experince my repulsion as a wider part off my aspec orientation, dosent mean its the same for everyone ofc, but that dosent change the fact its like that for *me*, i exist. and yes i do primarly indentify on basis off having no attraction. But that still dosent change the fact i experince repulsion as a part off my indentity and not some seperate factor.