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unstoppable force (desire to write) vs immovable object (tired)
It’s me. I’m the problem hehe
"this is DEFINITELY written by AI, I can tell because it uses the writing quirks that AI uses (because it was trained on real people who write with those quirks)"
c'mon dudes we have got to do better than this
I am big AI naysayer but I think making it into the latest of a series of unprovable accusations that you can use to harass anyone who annoys you slightly for any reason is literally the worst way to push back against its encroachment into our spaces
#the only AI quirk I believe is the use of the em dash (—)#just because it’s a pain to properly type out and real people really don’t use it that often
hey so. not meaning to pick on you for this, but:
there are various types of word processors or other text inputs which will automatically convert -- to —, meaning its difficulty in being typed out is irrelevant
there are a lot of people on tumblr, including in the notes of this thread, who have actively said that they use the emdash in their writing
the whole point of LLMs is that they train on real people's writing; they are not just randomly picking characters from the US-ASCII charset to include; AI would not generate text with emdashes if its training base did not also include writings by real people that used them
this is exactly the sort of thing I'm saying is a problem. people saying that they think they can tell that something is an "AI quirk" because "real people" don't use it, because their personal experience does not encompass its usage
[american voice] not typing like an american is a dead giveaway that you're not a real person
gently grabs you by the chin hey. if an author selects “chose not to use archive warnings” on a fic, they’re allowed. even if you don’t like it or disagree.
Eh sometimes when they don’t select it. It can sneak past people trying to filter out certain topics. So actually please use them.
The amount of times I’ve selected to filter out. Under age and rape and they still are there is horrifying.
Nope. “Chose not to warn” is a warning in and of itself. If you are filtering out underage and/or rape, fics tagged “chose not to warn” are adequately warned because they are informing you that those fics could contain either of those.
Your options are
1) to filter those fics out too or
2) proceed with the explicit knowledge that those things could be in the fic.
These fics are NOT inaccurately tagged, nor should they be re-tagged in any way. They are accurately tagged and the reader is informed.
Nope. Cause it’s not warning WHAT it’s about. So if someone is more okay with one thing then another then they can’t properly filter.
That creates an all or nothing situation. Either you get a kids fic or risk coming across child rape cause they didn’t think putting it in the basic archive warnings was important. And the ONLY reason people don’t use the archive warnings is so they can bypass the filters to potentially reach people who had it filtered out when they DONT WANT TO SEE IT. Like what the heck is the point of the filters if the authors don’t bother. Might as well go to a different site that doesn’t have the great tagging system A03 has
In a way it is inaccurately tagging it in the basics
Then if someone wants to not see it they have to go through and go “exclude this tag” for every possibility or wording type. Like instead of using archive warnings their tag is “hehe might have some nonconsensual stuff hehe” so then people who don’t want to see rape. See if.
And how do I know people pull shit like that? IVE SEEN IT. So
To authors. I’m sorry less people might see your stuff. But use the archive warnings. And tag your fics properly
No? "Chose Not to Warn" isn't authors cheating to get away with jumpscaring people's triggers. It IS a valid tag-- that's why it's part of the tagging system.
Some authors may not want to spoil things in a story, or try to remember to tag everything. So they are choosing to not warn. It is on the reader to proceed accordingly, based on the rating and their own comfort level.
If you personally, as a reader, don't want to risk coming across a fic with upsetting triggers, it is on you to filter out Chose Not to Warn. That category EXISTS to cover a gray area in tagging, and if you aren't comfortable or safe with that gray area it is on YOU the reader to avoid. The author did their job by specifically marking the fic with the category "this may include content upsetting to some but I am choosing to not list specifics for my own reasons."
It's okay to not like those reasons or not like the category. But neither of those things are the author's fault or their job to fix. You might not like that people decide to use that category, but it's not cheating or sneaking or doing intentional harm. You, the reader, are consenting to open a story that MAY have upsetting content. If that isn't a safe or healthy call for you, then filter to exclude that category, even if it feels unfair.
And it's actually really rude and insulting to assume and assert that people are only using Chose Not to Warn to lure people in to harm them, like some kind of fanfic trigger villains? They're using Chose Not to Warn because they chose not to warn. They felt warning for specific things might spoil plot or tension; or maybe they only wanted readers who were ready for ANYTHING to click, regardless of the story's content. If it wasn't a valid decision and category, it wouldn't EXIST. No Archive Warnings Apply also exists for THAT category.
Again: the tags are there to enable you to find what you want to find and exclude what you don't. It is always, always your job to keep yourself safe and protect your fun reading experience by understanding what the different categories are for-- you cannot do that by insisting they mean SOMETHING ELSE just because you'd prefer them to mean something else. That isn't how this social contract works.
Also. If these random strangers were attempting to trick you into reading their triggering fics, you know that going on Tumblr and asking them to pretty please tag their fics for you isn’t going to work, right? This reminds me of those people who have “DNI [insert category here]” on their blogs; anyone who is truly out to get you isn’t going to be deterred by a little wall of text on your Tumblr or a negative review.
Rather than assuming the worst and that everyone is out to hurt you, it’s far easier to just avoid the content by filtering out—and it’s so convenient that AO3 has that option in the first place!—or closing the tab when you encounter something disturbs you. This way, the power of whether something hurts you lies with you! You have some control in this situation, and it’s advisable that you use it.
I understand that people have different thresholds for certain materials, but it’s ultimately down to you, the viewer, to decide what that is and whether you want to continue exposing yourself to it. It is not the author’s fault if you choose to continue reading something that upsets you, and you have no right to get upset at them for your own choices.
my fave writing reminder
honestly, this phrase has been on my mind more times than i can count. i've kidnapped it, taken it as a hostage with no ransom money because i need it to live permanently in my head.
i've had so many conversations with people in fandom/creators' circles who are genuinely afraid to make the stories or art they want because they fear (often with good reason!) that their friends might kick them out of their circles, or worse, launch a public harassment campaign against them.
as someone recovering from this fear-based mindset, i want to affirm:
- friends who use implicit or explicit threats to maintain social control are not your friends
- communities that monitor your social media and ao3 to surveil you for perceived transgressive content are not safe communities
- the vast majority of people are NOT going to hate you if you make the art you want
- if you find yourself in a friend group that makes you feel afraid to speak your mind, it's in your interest to disentangle yourself from that group as quickly as possible
- real, honest disagreements between friends can be solved respectfully without the use of public shaming
- if you're feeling afraid in a community, it's likely that others are feeling afraid too. support your friends who may be struggling to leave an abusive fan or creative community, and let them know you're a safe person to voice doubts and disagreement to.
- if you're feeling like you'll never find a safer community of people, i promise there are others who feel that way too. it may take some time, but you'll find people who treat you and your ideas with respect. a good place to start is the people who make the type of art that you admire but that you're too afraid to make yourself.
ok that's all, take care of each other and be nice 💜
for all the writers out there, no matter where you are in your journey🤍
i’m going to hold your hands when i say this and i am only going to be kind about it once: ai does not belong in fandom spaces, ever. not in writing, not in art, not in video, not at all. it does not matter how bad you want to see your favourite characters kiss, or how much you need a bit of help finishing a chapter, or whatever.
make friends with artists. commission somebody. learn to draw yourself. ask for a beta read. try a writing partnership. fandom spaces are communities, so engage with them! it is about the journey and the fact that we all love something enough to create and build together about that thing.
spending 30 seconds to kill a tree and get an AI to push out some soulless empty piece of “content” is antithetical to the entire point of being engaged with fandom, and if you’ve taken to doing this you should really reconsider if you belong in these spaces with the rest of us.
I think the other reason I don't really get into ships as portrayed by fandom culture is that it seems like the mindset is more like. "I want these characters to be in a Romantic Relationship(TM)" instead of "I want these characters' relationship to be romantic"
What I mean here is that, so often I see pairings enacting romance tropes to the point of heavily altering or downright replacing their original dynamic - as if the people behind it only understand romance as a series of checklists to tick off. Couples like to kiss and sleep in the same bed and flirt with each other, so it doesn't matter who the characters are, if they're a couple then naturally they'll do those things, right??
And that's where the whole thing starts to lose me, because I would assume that the appeal of shipping characters is, y'know... the characters? Rather than just, the idea of a couple? If I'm thinking about how it'd be cool for them to be in love, my first thought is always "so how would they show it," because just like everything else about a person, the answer is going to be different on a case-by-case basis.
Maybe the characters involved aren't really into kissing, but they like arranging date activities. Maybe they aren't committed to the structure of dating at all, and just want to be around each other whenever they can. And even if they are the types to like doing traditionally romantic things, that doesn't suddenly erase whatever else they had going on before they started adding that on top of it.
I'm not saying that the more typical romance tropes and activities are bad, just that they're applied kind of excessively, regardless of whether or not they actually work for the characters involved. I want to see my favorite characters having relationships that are true to who they are, not what the stock depiction of a couple says they should be.
Too pretentious to jerk off Tried to engage in my sexual fantasy but the narrative was to unrealistic and the dialogue was out of characterAnd trite
couldn’t have said it better myself.
Not me distinctly remembering that DLDR was originally meant for GAY ships because homophobia in the 2000s was so bad that gay fics would get mass flamed if you didn’t put that disclaimer.
I literally thought of the third one and then it manifested in the notes
you're not turning your fandom hobby into a job are you? giving yourself deadlines and quotas that you have to meet? focusing on the numbers instead of your enjoyment of the act of creation?
you're not taking your love of something and using it as a tool to hurt yourself are you? loving it so hard that you forget to take care of yourself? telling yourself that people only care about you because of what you make and that they'll stop if you take a break? pushing yourself to work instead of rest so that the thing that used to give you joy and energy is now also burning you out, like everything else?
me: i wanna talk about my ocs
someone: ok tell me about your ocs
me, suddenly convinced that every single thing about my ocs is stupid and cringy and probably offensive: i. have them
No shame in using the safeword (quitting a fic that doesnt do it)
hey, did you know that the world is a better place because of your creations and art and writing, no matter how niche or how many people see it
"this is DEFINITELY written by AI, I can tell because it uses the writing quirks that AI uses (because it was trained on real people who write with those quirks)"
c'mon dudes we have got to do better than this
I am big AI naysayer but I think making it into the latest of a series of unprovable accusations that you can use to harass anyone who annoys you slightly for any reason is literally the worst way to push back against its encroachment into our spaces
#the only AI quirk I believe is the use of the em dash (—)#just because it’s a pain to properly type out and real people really don’t use it that often
hey so. not meaning to pick on you for this, but:
there are various types of word processors or other text inputs which will automatically convert -- to —, meaning its difficulty in being typed out is irrelevant
there are a lot of people on tumblr, including in the notes of this thread, who have actively said that they use the emdash in their writing
the whole point of LLMs is that they train on real people's writing; they are not just randomly picking characters from the US-ASCII charset to include; AI would not generate text with emdashes if its training base did not also include writings by real people that used them
this is exactly the sort of thing I'm saying is a problem. people saying that they think they can tell that something is an "AI quirk" because "real people" don't use it, because their personal experience does not encompass its usage