lowkey hate when non-hindus try to romanticise vedic placements that are considered to be negative, because there are stories behind it, there is meaning behind it, you can say "this is not bad, it's just misunderstood" all you want, but that is not going to change the WHY of it.
Saturn in 4th, Rahu/ Ketu conjunct Sun/Moon, Saturn conjunct Sun, these placements are not bad because people are jealous, or because they are misunderstood or some other bullshit reason;
Saturn HATES sun. In Hinduism, I won't tell the entire story, but sun did not treat saturn nicely, saturn is sun's son, it's like a pretty long story, but yeah, the sun later realises his mistake but saturn kinda...rejects the apology, so saturn is not sun's enemy but sun is saturn's enemy. Saturn conjunct sun in close degree is considered to be one of the worst placements in vedic astrology. It needs to be aspected by Jupiter to mellow down the negative impact.
Similarly, when a demon entered the gods' camp to drink the nectar of immortality, the sun and the moon god discovered the demon and reported him to lord vishnu, due to which the demon's head was severed, but he had already become immortal so the head became rahu and the body became ketu, that is why, when either is in conjunction with sun or moon, it takes its revenge.
The moon god wanted to marry saturn's sister, saturn was like, nope, you had a child without marriage, you are not a good guy. Moon god then kidnapped saturn's sister, saturn got rightfully pissed, he cursed the moon. So saturn does not do well when its in 4th house, or in conjunction with moon or aspecting it.
In vedic astrology, every placement, every nakshatra, every observation is related to a mythological story, you can't romanticise it or act like it's not bad based on your perception of it. All these stories have a lesson, if saturn is conjunct sun in 4th house, then you may have a painful family life, there may be disharmony in family, but you are not allowed to do anything about it, you are not allowed to be angry, you need to keep on working towards maintaining harmony or realising why those things needed to happen, similar to how the sun god did.
It became a really long post but yeah, it really annoys me when people see vedic astrology in isolation because it's inherently connected to Hinduism, you can't UNDERSTAND vedic if you have no knowledge of the stories that have led the planets to become as they are.
Saturn is not bad, but it feels weird when people romanticise it because it's not.....that simple. Saturn was abandoned by his own father, but saturn considers lord shiva to be his guide, lord shiva relies on tough love, that was saturn's upbringing, so now it does the same to others. It's a tough planet to get through, that's all I am going to say. Saturn is not misunderstood, it just IS.
This is even more true for nakshatras, but I am not even going to get into it.....that pisses me off on a whole different level.
